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Company B (WWII US Stamped lanterns) Pre-Mil-Spec

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Company B's focus will be on the Coleman US stamped 220 models B, BX and C.
With that said, any US stamped lantern of any manufacture (not Mil-Spec) is welcome in Company B.

We have an opportunity to document and preserve the history of these very unique pieces that helped win a war.

Not only was it a war but it was "The War"....
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It was a war that could have been lost. It was the most important event in the last 1500 years. Imagine if the armies of darkness of the West had linked with the armies and navies of darkness from the East through the Indian Ocean and the Middle East in early 1942. Thank God the Axis Powers were too selfish to mutually support each other when it would have made a difference. As Winston Churchill said, a New Dark Age....
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We beat them.
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Tally Ho!!
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Ford's Willow Run....
A fully operational B-24 rolled off the line every 90 minutes.
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It was not just the armed forces. It was industry. We were all in.
Dwight Eisenhower said in the spring of 1945 that they say the American soldier may not know what he's fighting for. They know now what they are fighting against.

The cost of that war is immeasurable. We will never truly know what was lost. We will never truly know what it cost.

A little company with a factory in the Great Plains and Toronto did its part. Most of its employees were deemed essential. A great many enlisted anyway.

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We may not be able to own a Willys MB, a M1Garand, a Sherman tank but we can have one of these. To quote You Tube's "The History Guy".....
" It's History that deserves to be remembered."

Company B hopes to become a resource and a data base for collectors. Company B encourages photos of these lanterns as found. Company B requests photos of the valve, fount, collar/support, air tubes, mixing chamber, burner tubes, burners, pricker control, globe, fuel air valve....basically all the components photographed during a fettle.
Besides this Company B encourages any documentation, box, receipt, factory memorandum, any written document or photograph a member may have.

The B-BX debate....
Some say the Model BX was a model...
Some say a BX was a designation...
Some say a BX or X means met the wartime restriction on brass...
Some say the BX designation was just for civilian sale...
Some say a BX is simply a Wartime B....
Some say the BX was between the B and C....
Some say the only true BX comes with the box....

Company B considers all the above factual. Company B will not argue over this issue. As you can see, documenting these pieces is much more important than arguing over such a matter.

Present photos, facts and documentation.

Who can be in Company B?
Anyone who has a keen interest in these. Just ask for a number.

What can be posted on Company B?
As said, stamped US lanterns pre mil spec.
It may be possible that a Model D or a 228 could have a US stamped fount....if so please post.

I want to offer.....
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I want to offer...
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I am,
#3 Company B

Please post your war lanterns or ask for a number.







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I have a '44 US stamped 237B that I have had for more than 25 years. It is a wonderful kerosene burner that I have used it more than 100 evenings over the years.
I also have a US marked 228C that I have had a long time that I have not yet fettled. It has a Parkerized fuel cap. The C stamping is barely visible, the 228 marking is very clear.
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I've got a few of these. I'll dig through my photos and add them here if I find them.
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gootsch wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:14 pm I have a '44 US stamped 237B that I have had for more than 25 years. It is a wonderful kerosene burner that I have used it more than 100 evenings over the years.
I also have a US marked 228C that I have had a long time that I have not yet fettled. It has a Parkerized fuel cap. The C stamping is barely visible, the 228 marking is very clear.
gootsch, You are #4 Company B
Thank you for the info. We would love to see them.
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Tgarner01 wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 12:48 am November 1942


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I've got a few of these. I'll dig through my photos and add them here if I find them.
Thank you Toby!

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^^^^^ Notice the turned down casting at the top of the valve. I recently fettled a November 1943, the valve casting is identical but was not turned down at the top, (IE a 9/16 wrench would fit it). Notice that the casting Toby posted above has remnants of the 9/16 hex in the casting. Very interesting.
Also, the fuel air tube on the 1943, has a 7/16 hex at the top where Toby's 1942 is smooth.
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3-45 & 11-43. Happy 4th Y'all!
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More Andrews Sisters doing "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy from Company C"

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My 220B .. Aug. 43
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I know the thread is for "US" stamped founts.
I have a 220C, Nov 45, that is NOT stamped "US", but it *does* have all the added patent info on the fount base plate..
Does it count?
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220C B 46
Sir, I volunteer, Sir.

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March of ‘43, reporting in. Older fettle, sorry for the lack of detailed pics.
How about a number for this veteran?

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Here's one I do have picks of from the fettle, 5 5 (May '45) VE 220C:

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An interesting mix of parts. The valve body is later C-E, the FA tube is four-piece, threaded like a B. CV has a tapered seat like a B. Burner and air tubes are steel, as is the valve bung on the fount, but all else is brass.

Last picture is a re-paint, as the lantern had been crudely paint-mopped with something that wouldn't come off.
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cat235 wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 11:18 am 3-45 & 11-43. Happy 4th Y'all!
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Thanks, You are #5 Company B.
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kenmack wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 4:30 pm More Andrews Sisters doing "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy from Company C"

https://youtu.be/8of3uhG1tCI

https://youtu.be/4lmZiqrqXDw
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Stone_Blue wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 5:13 pm My 220B .. Aug. 43

220 B Aug 43.jpg

Details/Materials:
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More, & better pics soon.
You are # 7 Company B.
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Stone_Blue wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 5:37 pm I know the thread is for "US" stamped founts.
I have a 220C, Nov 45, that is NOT stamped "US", but it *does* have all the added patent info on the fount base plate..
Does it count?
Since yours is a war year with the added patent yes. This only adds to the information about the transition to peace time production.

The focus is for US stamped lanterns. With this said the lanterns are so similar, especially the Cs. Lets' consider non-US stamped later Cs and maybe some early Ds as "Auxiliaries". Some of these may have "war parts" and can add to the study.
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Daryl22 wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 7:44 pm 220C B 46
Sir, I volunteer, Sir.

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An Auxiliary C. You are #8 Company B.
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Opus5150 wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 7:55 pm March of ‘43, reporting in. Older fettle, sorry for the lack of detailed pics.
How about a number for this veteran?

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A very interesting lantern. This lantern has actually seen military service IMHO. It's a "wartime B" converted over to a Mil-spec single mantle and generator. Very interesting.

You are # 9 Company B
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V-J Lantern:

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Another veteran, reporting for duty!

3 11 (November '43) 220?--yep, it's one of those.

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Sorry, no light-up. It's too hot, for one. For another, the cleaning lever is frozen up. Steel here was not a good choice.

The fount is steel. The entire pump is steel--the brass screw at the end of the steel air stem is brazed-on. Burner assy, including mixing chamber, is steel. The FA tube is a four-piece threaded, and steel--I'm not pulling it out for a pic. The valve packing nut is steel. The direction disk is steel, as is the ball nut.

The only brass parts on the entire lantern are the B-style CV, eccentric body, valve, valve stem and painted fuel cap.

No stamping on the collar.

Aside from a box or other documentation, this is clearly a... 220?
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Last of the war before the Occupation years. A-Bomb 8/'45 (5 8):

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Steel air tube, burner tubes, eccentric lever and packing housing. Steel generator jamb nut and frame nut. Brass mixing chamber, eccentric body and burner caps.

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D-E style valve. FA tube is 4-piece threaded brass (sorry, not pulling the valve).

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Pump parts are all brass. Exposed parts are nickel-plated. Fuel cap, insert and screw are also brass w/nickel plate.

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CV is still B style.

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Collar is stamped with make and model, left of valve.

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Ready for duty, sir!

The war was basically over. The Japanese officially surrendered in September--'though a few fought on into the '70s!
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Here is my November of 1942 Wartime B. The first series of photos are as found or as delivered. As you can see from the photos it had some type of mishap. It probably lost the globe and one burner when whatever happened, happened.

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As you can see it has a brass winged cap. There is no evidence of a decal, common on 1942s. Also notice the bottom is not painted. Toby says that is common on 1942s.
My dad straightened the bail for me. I just have it mocked up below.
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It was very rusty and dirty. I did a gentle clean followed by Johnsons Paste wax...followed by carnauba wax. I always try to preserve what paint is left. Once that 1942 paint is gone, it's gone. I also find it more interesting than a repainted lantern. Sometimes you have to repaint them.
The collar and frame could have been worked some more, but truthfully it needs to balance with the fount in my opinion.


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Here's the guts. Notice that it is typical of the 11-1942 that Toby pictured. The top of the valve assembly is turned down. It has a steel pricker control, steel generator nut, steel valve packing nut and ceramic burners. Notice it has the two-piece air tube typical of a Model B.
In comparison, my 11-1943 Wartime B has a one-piece air tube, and the valve assembly is not turned down.
Regular/common 220 burner caps will not thread on the burner tube. The pitch is close, but it is different.
More to come when this one is done.
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Fellow forum member Mike McDonald Has excellent wartime B/BX burner caps available. Other than hard to find originals, this is the only source I know of for these. His username is mgmlvks on here.

I have learned that the BX style ceramic cap air tube will not accept a regular steel 220 burner cap.

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Here are mine.
7/42
3/43
8/43
1944 252
8/45 220C

I am sure someone has pointed this out already, but I did notice my 8/45 220C is "US" stamped and the 10/45 220C isn't. Is this when that changed?
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Flyboyfwa wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 1:34 pm Here are mine.
7/42
3/43
8/43
1944 252
8/45 220C

I am sure someone has pointed this out already, but I did notice my 8/45 220C is "US" stamped and the 10/45 220C isn't. Is this when that changed?
Great lanterns and great comments.
Andy, you are #10 Company B.

I have seen 8/45s without the US stamp. There is a 10/45 C without the US stamp but with the British Pat. dates featured on here. Never say never with Coleman but around 8/45 the US stamp disappears or begins to disappear.

Industry in the US was transitioning to peacetime starting in..... really the latter part of 1944 for some. Willys Overland started experimenting with the Ag Jeep (farm Jeep) in late 1944, the CJ-1. More industries started gearing up for peacetime production after the Surender of Germany in May 1945. Military arms and aircraft contracts started to be canceled after August 14 when the Japanese agreed to cease fire. The formal surrender was Sept 2, 1945.

As for Coleman lanterns, when does the 228 reappear? A member has a US stamped 11-41 228. I know of a possible 8-45 228C.

What's fun is what may turn up. :D
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