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Kind of pointing out the obvious here, but I thought I would show some of my examples of Coleman's oddball way of dating in the late 30s and at least early 40.

Now for the most part early on Coleman US date codes had the year on the left and month on the right. I've got 5 examples ranging from 1938-1940 with one being as you would expect and 4 being "backwards" to me 😁

First up is a pair of twins, January 1940 228Bs

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Next up is a January 1938 242B

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Next up Indian bronze May 1939 132A

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Now my one example from the period to be as you would expect. February 1939 243A

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Curious as to what other members have from the period. Are yours reversed? This is just to satisfy my curiosity. Thanks for looking and have a nice afternoon.
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What makes you sure that the 242B isn't 8/41 and the 132A isn't 9/35? Both dates are within the known date range of those models. Unless there are "early" and "late" features, or the other possible date runs outside the known period of manufacture, I think some of these are just a mystery. The only other clue is if there is a double digit month to give it away.

It seems like some of the 1930's 220/228B's had the date stamped upside down from the rest of the stamping, but the clues are pretty subtle sometimes, like the size of the loops on an "8", but even then, some guy grabbing a stamp might have oriented it either way.

Murff sold this as a June 1938, when I got it I called it an Aug. 1939. Who's right? I don't know, but I think the "8" is right-side up in this photo:

220B 8:39 b copy.jpg
I do have 220/228B's with the date right-side up and upside down, here's a 5/37 (presumably) with the date right-side up:
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Here's a 9/33 upside down:
228B 9:33 f copy.jpg
The styles change too, from randomly stamped (like above) to a more orderly and better aligned stamp (top).
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Thumbs up for the Route 66 poster! We got a little less than halfway to go to finish.
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Thanks for the examples John.
On the 242B I believe I read where they were painted in later 41? Been awhile now I'd have to freshen up. On the 132a I believe the book mentioned it running 36-39 in that color? Don't quote me,I don't remember everything I've forgotten 😁 would probably help of I had some of the documentation you have acquired 😉

Thanks Bob. Traveling old 66?
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[QUOTE username=Tgarner01 userid=6974212 postid=1320491794]

Thanks Bob. Traveling old 66?
As much as possible, as you know some of it just doesn't exist anymore, but it has been fun. Took a break this year and camped in an around your neck of the woods.
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Yeah I remember, hope all went well. Roaring River right? That would make a good spot for a gathering... Hmmm... ?
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[QUOTE username=Tgarner01 userid=6974212 postid=1320491832]Yeah I remember, hope all went well. Roaring River right? That would make a good spot for a gathering... Hmmm... ?
Would be ideal!!
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[QUOTE username=Tgarner01 userid=6974212 postid=1320491794]Thanks for the examples John.
On the 242B I believe I read where they were painted in later 41? Been awhile now I'd have to freshen up. On the 132a I believe the book mentioned it running 36-39 in that color? [/QUOTE] I haven't seen painted 242B's dated prior to 11/41, and I've seen 11/41 in nickel and green, so I think that is the transition date. The Book says that the 132A IS Indian Bronze from 1936-39, and late 1935 would fit into that range, since that would be 'model year' 1936-39, which would have begun in the late summer or fall of the previous year.
I suppose if we had piles of these lamps and lanterns to sort through, patterns would start to form - maybe. It could also be that different workers, different batches, different shifts, did things differently, who knows? Some of these are just going to be ambiguous.
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why the 242b is January 1938? When they started with year on the right and month on left? I have a 242b marked 5/8
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Here's a right-side up 10/31 228B with the month/year reversed - or is it? (It also has a side fount stamp with the "Quicklite" struck out, so it's early.)
228B 10_31 date stamp reversed copy.jpg
Others will have the 10 on the right like this 10/36:
220B 10_36√a copy.jpg
Here's 8/30 reversed - or is it upside down and not reversed - not likely since the "0" isn't a "10". (Early side fount stamp, it is 1930):
220B 8_30√stamp1b copy.jpg
Between the upside down and right-side up variations, the reversed month/year and ambiguous "6" and "9", these are all over the place when there's only a single digit for each to go by. I think the double digit ones are the only ones we can definitely date unless there are other clues, like crimped collar, brass direction disk, "220B" on base, side fount stamp, "Lamp & Stove", one possible date variation that falls outside of the known manufacturing range, etc that can be used to narrow it down. But stretches of years without a change in features are going to be ambiguous.
The Canadian stuff with the consistent two-digit year is so much easier to deal with. I'm going to call Terry tomorrow and annoy him about this - he has a much larger database than I do.

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Thank you for the info and examples John, I did not know that about the painted B's, or "model year"definition. I look forward to what you hear from Terry.

Poncho, turns out that it can possibly be either way as from John's research he has found nickel B's within both dates. I had originally thought they started painting them by 41.
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Then there's the bail differences...cotter pin, key hole, swaged, and vent brim sizes, or globe etching to add to the puzzle, especially if parts get swapped. I guess if it was all "cut and dry," obvious, it would take some of the fun out of the hunt for the outlier to add to your collection!
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Drives me crazy how the dating is so different. A's and B's, single digits for years, numbers reversed. Why couldn't they have been consistent.

BTW my office is right off Route 66 in Tulsa.
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Bob, for the 220/228B's Larry has a great guide to go by that can get you very close on a date range, assuming the lantern has not had parts swapped. Seems the 242B's are a bit harder to narrow down 😁

Mike I get it, altho it does not make much difference to me, i kind of like the history part of it I guess 😉
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[QUOTE username=Tgarner01 userid=6974212 postid=1320491832]Yeah I remember, hope all went well. Roaring River right? That would make a good spot for a gathering... Hmmm... ?I have mentioned Roaring River as well!
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[QUOTE username=LoganS54 userid=7026368 postid=1321395155]
I have mentioned Roaring River as well!Good idea Logan!! Set it up and I'll be there 😉
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For sure let's look at this spring. When the weather is warmer...
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Kind of along the same lines as why they dated on the way they did I've always wondered how they came up with the model numbers? I understand using alphabets for different versions of the same model but why a 220 or 228. Why are earlier ones 327 and 427. A lot of companies use model numbers to dictate certain aspects of their product but I don't understand it with Coleman.
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