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arizonacamper
I was at lunch today and looked at the news while i was eating. There was a story about how the apple fire in so. calif. started and i have gotta call BS. on it. They said that a diesel powered truck spit a glowing ember out of the exhaust pipe starting the fire. Now this is just complete crap. I have worked on diesel powered vehicles for over 30 years and it is impossible to have "glowing embers" pushed out of the exhaust pipe. Number one the combustion temperature is not high enough to maintain enough heat for anything to exit the exhaust hot enough to cause a fire to start. Number 2 since the mid 90s diesels have turbochargers-cat converters and mufflers. All of which will block anything from exiting the exhaust. And third most vehicles have a DPF since 08 or 09. It's  no wonder that i haven't trusted the news media for decades now with such blatant lies coming from a so called reporter. Just goes to show you can't trust the information you get from the news. The story was probably made/written by someone who has a problem with diesel trucks. Maybe if they were real reporters they would investigate just how much of everything is moved by something powered by diesel.
Ok rant over for now!🤪
Shawn 
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Gasman64
Of course, Shawn, probably the "bubble headed bleach blondes" type Don Henley sung about years ago.  If they lack in looks, they write this kind of stuff:
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Coldwaterpaddler
Well, most people don't know that a diesel truck wouldn't spit glowing embers from the exhaust, so that stuff just slides by.

A couple years ago a guy who was deer hunting out where I go pheasant hunting. He got his deer and drove out into a farmers CRP to pick it up. The exhaust (muffler or cat) caught the field on fire and burned about 10 acres AND the truck. I saw it a week after the fire. The farmer wouldn't let us hunt his properties any more because someone told him that a blast from a shotgun could catch the field on fire. Never heard of that, but what can you do?

Anyway, there seems to be a lot more speculating than investigating when it comes to "news".
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Tgarner01
I agree with you on both topics. I have seen big diesel pulling tractors rolling smoke with orange flames in the smoke. Cool to see!
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Majicwrench
Good grief Shawn don't blame the reporter, he/she is just reading copy, they didn't make it up. 
Some official/fire person probably made the call, they are just reporting it.

They may have decided it started after a truck drove by. Trucks can cause sparks from lots of places. 
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n9zes
A diesel truck with a DPF doing a regen can get as hot or hotter than a cataclysmic converter.  That's why many of them have those funny tailpipe tips - it is to blend in cool air with the hot exhaust to avoid setting someones pants on fire if they stand too close...  
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Gunhippie
1) Don't shoot the messenger! He/she was just reading a release form USFS, BLM (Beef, Lumber, Mining, not the other one) or Cal Fire. Put the blame where it belongs.

B) You're assuming it was a Diesel truck that was up to standards. Have you seen some of the POSs that run around in the woods? A coal-roller, maybe? De-tuned to throw as much smoke and soot as possible to piss off the libtards? Yeah, I can see one of those throwing sparks.

More likely, how about brakes?
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arizonacamper
What I was getting at was that these so-called reporters should be doing their job and actually investigating instead of relying on other what other people say. I thought that's what being a reporter was all about. too much of that nowadays.
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Coldwaterpaddler
@arizonacamper I think you and I suffer from high expectations. Right or wrong, I think that the reporter on scene would get the report from the USFS, or whomever, and then ask questions, like . . . what evidence do they have that the diesel exhaust caused this, and/or were there other vehicles driving on the road, were there witnesses, etc. If the reporter did ask the question(s), they could have shared that information. But, they didn't, which leads to less trust and more skepticism (skepticism is good while cynicism should probably be avoided). After all, shouldn't the news  report the truth or at least enough to show they did their homework to the extent that would be satisfactory to the consumer of the news? In my opinion they should, but then, they didn't ask me how they should report the news. In any case, I consume less news from TV because all I ever find myself doing is asking more questions, and then I get to thinking, "Why didn't the reporter ask these questions?". Frustrating. 
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Encee
What I was getting at was that these so-called reporters should be doing their job and actually investigating instead of relying on other what other people say. I thought that's what being a reporter was all about. too much of that nowadays.
Shawn 


What do you think the cause of the fire really was?
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Majicwrench
Having been a reporter on the radio, he/she is just reading copy.  It is handed to them, they read. Sometimes you don't agree with what is in your hand, you just read it!
  Sometimes you are handed absolute crap and I would do my best to fix it as I read it, but you don't change content.

Like Timm said, they got the info from somebody that knows more about it then they do.
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Gunhippie
Long ago, I was a USFS employee. Among other things, I worked fire. I once had the opportunity to go out with a fire inspector--the guy who determines, if possible, what/who started the fire. If whoever did this investigation was half the man he was, take his word for it. The fire I went out on the investigation was traced back to an empty Coke bottle, half full of water. I n the hot Arizona sun and humidity approaching zero, the pop bottle had worked as a lens and started a smolder in the duff under it. Wind kicked up and turned that smolder into flames.

Do You know which way the grass ashes fall? Which way the little slivers on a burned log point? He did.
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Timm I bet he had some great stories to tell.
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RobSchroff
Of all the possible sources of ignition, "sparks from diesel exhaust" have to fall in the "less probable" camp
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arizonacamper
In my trade I'm held to a very high standard of which my standards are even higher.
So is it wrong for me to expect high standards from other people especially people we get our information from?
Shawn 
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I thought the reports were from eyewitnesses who saw this occur.
I’m a tree hugging diesel truck owner who notices a ton of trucks which appear to be completely deleted and know I can still acquire tunes etc from north of the border or over the internet.
Shawn, seeing you are a diesel expert are you saying some owner couldn’t have modified a truck to the point of this happening? 
My uncle burned up quite a few acres of field and a brand new Bronco in the seventies when catalytic converters were new.

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shaune509
Or blame ALL shooting on causing sparks on rocks, not the mis use of AP and tracer rounds but all types of rounds. Copper and lead are non sparking but fact are an non item to most in media and gov power.
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Majicwrench
Certainly not. 

Whomever made that report FS whatever, he/she may have as high of standards.Or higher. Are you doubting theirs?? 
 You are just absolutely assuming they don't like diesels. Or do you have any info that they do?? Making stuff up is not a very high standard.
You're slamming a lot of people in your opening statement that you know little or nothing about. Do your standards include slamming people??
  Ever see a pack rat build a nest in an exhaust system?? 
  I live on a FS road, is amazing the rattletraps that go up and down the road cutting firewood. Would not surprise me one bit to see a burning ember come from one of them.  I'm just glad their brakes work when they come  down the hill by the house!

Hold yourself to higher standards.  
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arizonacamper
I'm not saying it can't happen I just find glowing Embers being emitted from the exhaust highly unlikely on a street driven vehicle. Especially in an area with smog control and smog checks. Here where I'm at our trucks get checked yearly for emissions just because it's a diesel.
not impossible but unlikely. just my two cents worth. And I am a tree hugging environmentalist who happens to drive a diesel and in my business and trade everybody should be an environmentalist because we work with quite a few chemicals and poisons.
Shawn 
Owner of Copper State Diesel And Automotive. See my facebook page.

Lanterns are like tools. 
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Gas is what you use for washing parts diesel is for making power!

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Tgarner01
Is this pick on Shawn day?... Why was I not invited?... Well, well...I prefer to spell Shawn with a U!! Or like Shaun! ðŸ˜ 

Kidding aside I've not watched the news local or nation wide since before the covid started... It's so doom and gloom.. why not talk about something enjoyable... Life has enough negativity as is. No since in watching more of it as soon as I get up in the morning... I did hear something about a hurricane or something?.. maybe a big explosion?

I did learn one thing from this thread... There are a lot more tree huggers on this forum than I would've thought... Probably shouldn't show off the homemade sawmill?... ðŸ˜‚
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arizonacamper
Is it diesel powered?😁
This is what the first amendment is all about. the right of free speech for everyone. 

Shawn
Owner of Copper State Diesel And Automotive. See my facebook page.

Lanterns are like tools. 
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Tgarner01
Is it diesel powered?😁
Shawn

No... Haven't you heard? Those start fires all of a sudden... ðŸ˜
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egroscup
We had a mechanical Cummins 8.3 puke an injector last year and filled up the aftermarket particulate trap with fuel and after a few miles it lit off. Big fire coming straight out of the bumper level exhaust pipe. Caused quite a commotion when it rolled into the school driveway. It went out when the motor was shut off. We have had 2 other buses that had the particulate trap fail and start passing chunks out the tailpipe. Under the right conditions I can see where glowing hot chunks of ceramic being spread about the roadway might cause a fire in the right conditions. Glowing ember probably is not the right term for what can come out of an exhaust pipe. A zillion years ago one could super overfuel a Cummins and there would be so much raw fuel in the exhaust that it would light in the stack and have a nice cone of fire that put on quite a show at night. Not ideal for the hay haulers. Luckily that has gone by the wayside in the commercial truck industry. E.
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arizonacamper
Yep light trucks too.  the way the exhaust system design on the light trucks the scr is having diesel exhaust fluid shot in it and it is after the diesel particulate filter which is after the cat converter. so extremely difficult to get one to shoot any kind of embers out at all. not impossible but extremely difficult.
Shawn 
Owner of Copper State Diesel And Automotive. See my facebook page.

Lanterns are like tools. 
You can not have too many unless your wife says so!!

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egroscup
Hi Shawn, we have 3 buses now with the SCR stuff. 2 a couple of years old and one brand new. One of the two year olds already failed and shut the bus down because of a bad DEF level sensor. The rest of the fleet is a mix of mainly IH DT530E, 4 Maxxforce junk and C series Cummins 8.3 both mechanical and CAPS. I can see on the new stuff that it would be much less likely to spit hot parts out than the older stuff. One aftermarket DPF company had a huge recall and went bankrupt in 2013 because of one model causing fires. We had 4 of their units but a different model when this happened. I was displeased about the sudden lack of support as they are troublesome units. https://www.truckinginfo.com/109685/dpf-maker-cleaire-shuts-down-following-fires-and-recalls  . My guess on the fire in question is that it is very possible that it was started by something ralphing hot chunks of stuff out the exhaust but gas vehicles have been known to do the same.  E.
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scl
more likely from a smoking operator tossing whatever was being smoked out of the cab. see them being tossed all the time.
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