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25 502s
i recently got a few of these running and was curious what size mantle is best for them. I grouped them together because I figured they would probably use the same size mantle, but maybe not???

The 3016 has a newer 21 string tie and the Higgins has a gold top 21. The Sunflame has a off brand that that I had a couple off. The 21 seems to be too small. Would that cause an over burn(or whatever it’s called)?Anyway , I wanted to see what some of you are using or recommend. Thanks!! BDC0E4D0-B251-4EE9-BCAB-393114569360.jpeg  A14D0F53-6853-43EC-94F8-93D9AC6B6BD1.jpeg  180B0817-D43B-4E3B-8CEC-708DCB6666DF.jpeg  EEC87338-5541-45BB-A16F-6F64B2AA9FE8.jpeg  C2F04763-E124-4AE1-9A9A-EA1FF58F93AE.jpeg 
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Fj40z
I have a Higgins like that and have been using the newer 21 on it. It’s definitely bright.

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Chucker
A 21a or 24a or 99. Really kind of flexible with these singles. An over-burn or over-flaming is when you have more fuel/air than the mantle can 'capture'. Can be caused by enlarged gen tip orifice. Using a larger mantle will obviously give you more area to fill. Pumping less air will also keep some from over-flaming. 

If it were a milspec you could just open the second air tube assuming it was running on just one. 
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rob_pontius
The only real issue that I've run into with the #21 mantle on those is the mantle doesn't hang low enough to hear the generator. It heats the tube portion of the mixing chamber more than the generator. That's been the case on the singles with the short, fat generator. I use a #24a on those without issue.
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25 502s
Thanks Chuck and Rob. After reading both of your post it makes me wish I could remember where I got the ones on the sunflame. They are bigger and longer. That might take care of the over flaming and the heating of the gen. Plus they were dirt cheap, bright and coarse weave. 

I definitely won’t use the heat resisting globe until I figure out the over flame. I assume that could damage the globe?  F3D311C2-CDA6-4AC9-97D8-90E01F37EF21.jpeg  F42BD513-3D02-4A26-A20A-0B3B8209DAC2.jpeg 
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25 502s
Fj40z wrote:
I have a Higgins like that and have been using the newer 21 on it. It’s definitely bright.


I agree. All these singles seem bright. 
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Gunhippie
I like a larger mantle--99, 111 or 24A on those fierce singles. Petro 500cp Superiors are good, too. They are fully capable of filling the larger mantles.
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Chucker
Slight over-flaming shouldn't be a problem for those globes. A hole in the mantle will be a problem, quickly. 
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zoomkat
"it makes me wish I could remember where I got the ones on the sunflame. They are bigger and longer. That might take care of the over flaming and the heating of the gen. Plus they were dirt cheap, bright and coarse weave."

If the mantles had a pink top, they may have been the 10cm 500-600cp Butterfly mantles available on ebay for a reasonable price. Below are some taken up a bit for use on a 220E.

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25 502s
Gunhippie wrote:
I like a larger mantle--99, 111 or 24A on those fierce singles. Petro 500cp Superiors are good, too. They are fully capable of filling the larger mantles.


I need to try some of the old Petros if I can get the old ones. 
zoomkat wrote:
"it makes me wish I could remember where I got the ones on the sunflame. They are bigger and longer. That might take care of the over flaming and the heating of the gen. Plus they were dirt cheap, bright and coarse weave."

If the mantles had a pink top, they may have been the 10cm 500-600cp Butterfly mantles available on ebay for a reasonable price. Below are some taken up a bit for use on a 220E.



That might be them. They were pink top and pretty large pre burn in. Kinda V shaped when laid flat.
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mnhogrider
I believe that if you find the old directions, they call for a 21 size mantle. Yeah, they’ll run bigger mantles but I don’t like the extra heat that’ll scorch the paint on the collars and heats the top of the fount up cause they hang down lower. 
A lot of the AGM’s have the top bung fitting soldered into the top of the fount....
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25 502s
Good info about the 21 size. I have around 10 of these from the 3016 through the ash flash/unimet. I may just have to mess with them all individually and see what work best on them. 
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25 502s
Chucker wrote:
Slight over-flaming shouldn't be a problem for those globes. A hole in the mantle will be a problem, quickly. 


Thanks!! I knew about a hole but wasn’t sure about an over-flame. 
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arryk
It kind of depends on which model.

Your 3016 variant has a long 220 sized gen in it that warms relatively quickly and doesn't  really need a low hanging mantle to heat it.

Your 2471 sunflame and higgie have short fat gens sitting below plumbing, and you need a decently long mantle to hang low enough to heat them properly.

Kamplite Kyle swore by the 24a on those. In my dealings with between 10 and 20 of the short fat gen models, I have had a few run on a small mantle, but most overburn and are much harder and longer to warm up with a small mantle, so I tend to agree. If it has a short fat gen, I run a 24a on them.

FWIW, that 2471 looks really nice. A lot of guys don't like those due to the plumbing at the gen...it can be tricky to get just right...But talk about a runner...bright and loud.


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25 502s
Wow y’all really know you stuff. I have about 10 others that I haven’t fired up up so I will take y’alls advise on the different gens. I really like the sunflame and I have the darker version too with the original globe. Thanks all!!  014C034B-4687-4C6E-852D-A33CA157FF51.jpeg  19FD354F-FDEC-4A94-A396-63858D14FDE6.jpeg
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25 502s wrote:
Wow y’all really know you stuff. I have about 10 others that I have fired up up so I will take y’alls advise on the different gens. I really like the sunflame and I have the darker version too with the original globe. Thanks all!! 
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That is a real beauty. I'm posting a pic of one I painted to compare color:
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[sunflame_002] 
I was thinking mine was a bit too dark, now it looks maybe like it was a shade light lol.
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25 502s
Looks very close to me. I think the difference is yours has more gloss. Both of ours have a lighter vent than the fount so that is correct it seems.

Very nice paint job BTW
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zoomkat
"That might be them. They were pink top and pretty large pre burn in. Kinda V shaped when payed flat."

This is the large Butterfly mantles I get on ebay. They are lose weave and pretty big before burning in. They form up nice after burning in. I looked at the vendor's site for what I ordered in the past and they are now $7.23 for 30 shipped, which comes out to ~$.25/each.

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25 502s
zoomkat wrote:


This is the large Butterfly mantles I get on ebay. They are lose weave and pretty big before burning in. They form up nice after burning in. I looked at the vendor's site for what I ordered in the past and they are now $7.23 for 30 shipped, which comes out to ~$.25/each.



No I guess that’s not them. I remembered this old thread I had on them. I think you posted in it. I have only used one on the sunflame above but I was impressed how it shined and filled out. 

https://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/post/anyone-try-these-mantles-out-yet-10048436?pid=1307729547
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Chucker
I really like the little Sunflame/green. I have that one as well but also had to repaint it.

They are very robust not lightweight like an Ash Flash. Plus, they seem to have avoided the dreaded AGM stress crack phenomenon. IIRC, mine/they have a brass fount. Haven't fired it in years. 
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25 502s
Chucker wrote:
.....IIRC, mine/they have a brass fount. Haven't fired it in years. 


You are correct, both of mine are brass. 
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Gunhippie
As for the worries about heat, the lantern is still burning the same amount of fuel with the same air mix, regardless the mantles used. Over-burn is just heat that isn't becoming light. A longer mantle will help distribute the heat lower, but it's the same total amount of heat.
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michiganphil
Gunhippie wrote:
As for the worries about heat, the lantern is still burning the same amount of fuel with the same air mix, regardless the mantles used. Over-burn is just heat that isn't becoming light. A longer mantle will help distribute the heat lower, but it's the same total amount of heat.


But the heat does get distributed differently... the larger mantle sits lower and concentrates more heat on the bottom of the frame.
If you hold a torch an inch from your hand or a foot, you are still burning the same amount of fuel and creating the same amount of heat. The temp of your skin will be much different.

On some of my 200a's and 242's I run the 24-A mantles. When running, the fount/collar are much hotter than when running 21 sized mantles. Would it ever cause a problem? I doubt it, but it does create much more heat on the fount.


Edit: Also, Curt did a great comparison showing the same lantern burning different size mantles. A good burning lantern filled out every size mantle without overburn. A lantern that over-burned a 21 mantle, also had a halo with a 24-A, and again with a 111. The takeaway was that overburn was caused by too rich of a fuel mixture (worn gen tip, or restricted air tube).
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zoomkat
"The takeaway was that overburn was caused by too rich of a fuel mixture (worn gen tip, or restricted air tube)."

A higher than "normal" tank pressure will have a significant impact on total fuel delivery. Lanterns may actually be optimized for a mid range tank pressure. Maybe some over burn at higher tank pressures allows for more stable light output as tank pressure decreases.         
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25 502s
Well I got a couple more lit today. The burgundy one has a 3016 style gen. I used the mantle that was on it when I got it. I think it is an older peerless symbol? Not sure of the size but it did well. 

On the the red one I used a 99. It took forever to get lit. I was getting the hissing sound and it would stop when I lifted the cleaning lever but I got nothing for several minutes. Finally it fired up and ran perfect too. 

The Higgins was really the only one that over-flamed. I may just need to recheck it. Maybe the 21 is too small, or maybe I pumped it to much(I was having trouble with the pump catching) or maybe I just didn’t let the fat gen warm up enough before I evaluated it. 

I dont have any 24 mantles at all. What lanterns are the designed for or used on? Thanks again ALL.  0B27A8F2-C1CA-42FF-B527-B49B2F4B713A.jpeg  164FAF41-964A-4AE4-ACE1-8CDA5C1141F5.jpeg  8A4E8A9A-F6EB-4003-A264-E42A7BA4628B.jpeg  79114E14-3185-4539-B21E-6488A6628672.jpeg  0FE7B19A-A9F0-4798-BE65-61A8A93F6D71.jpeg  A5619B13-D724-4C20-8740-9CEFEAB5555B.jpeg 
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JimL
I ran a larger mantle once on a 200A and it filled it out no problem, but seemed to run a lot hotter.  Glad I see confirmation of the extra heat in this thread.

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Chucker
The 24a's and any mantle are meant for ANY lantern application you have - provided you understand it's function and limitations. 

They are rated up to 500cp and elongated unlike the Petromax Original's or 111 Peerless which are also rated at 500cp but bulbous shaped. Typically the longer the generator the longer the mantle should be for efficient vaporization or the "Leidenfrost Effect". 

As mentioned above, one has to consider the lower heat distribution of an elongated mantle. Some lanterns can handle it, some cant'. 
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campinut
Great backdrop on those single beauties. Love the rustic brick as it really show's off anything with color. I use the 250cp Peerless on all my singles with the stubby generators. I believe paint loss is also attributed by leaking gas that makes it's way underneath the collar and ignites, by previous owners too..campinut..
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25 502s
Thanks Russ!  I didn’t realize I had such good photography instincts until you bought it to my attention lol. I was just looking for a good place to take a pic. 
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25 502s
Well thanks to Hollis I have a few more styles of mantles to try out. When he read here that I do not have or have never tried the petromax mantles he sent me 3 different ones and a peerless 24A free of charge.  This site is filled with great folks and this this gesture is just more proof. Thanks again!! 4002E5EA-82BB-43D4-8B42-2EFC69C3DB0A.jpeg 
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