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Boglo
I’m new to the forum but have been collecting lanterns for some time now. I recently purchased a 200A Burgundy needing to be restored that had brown paint covering what appeared to be USFS lettering. I carefully removed the brown paint and discovered it was in fact USFS. The original paint around the lettering looks like it was scratched off then covered with the brown paint. Any ideas as to why someone would do this? Was it Forest Service practice or a PO covering it up for some reason? Thanks for any insight you can provide! DDC58C46-8523-4DBE-A90C-D63EE907F652.jpeg  DEDE6E6F-8895-46F9-B910-E51D5F9DA614.jpeg 
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Tgarner01
Welcome to the forum from SW Missouri. I would think 61-62 would be late for a USFS Coleman, but I'm no expert on them either. Nice lantern tho ðŸ‘
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10gage
Is it stippled in the side?
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rob_pontius
That's a cool piece. I sure wouldn't repaint it.
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Boglo
Yes, it is stippled (new word for me) in the side.
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SteveRetherford
its often them trying to hide the actual owners , happens to CPR lanterns a lot too .
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Boglo
I wouldn’t dare repaint it.
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Ridge Runner
its often them trying to hide the actual owners , happens to CPR lanterns a lot too .
I would say Steve hit the nail on the head.

Very interesting find you have there, and welcome to the CCF 🙂

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Boglo
It is funny how quickly it has become my favorite lantern. History and a story certainly outweigh perfection.
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Newfie
It could have been sent for public surplus sale when it was retired from service. 

The service's markings likely needed to be removed or covered before sale. 
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MotorcycleDan
That is a great find. I just found a Thermos Lantern that was marked the same way. 

It more than likely grew two feet and was helped out of the fire cache. The person that did this was just trying to cover up that it was Forest Service property. Stuff like this was taken frequently for personal use. When I worked for the Park Service, I had a brand new chain saw disappear out of my equipment cache. I had a good idea where it ended up. We served a warrant on the person and sure enough it was there. Along with about $10,000.00 of other govt. equipment!
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Newfie
I don't understand people who steal low dollar value items from their well paying job. Why risk it?

That is a great find. I just found a Thermos Lantern that was marked the same way. 

It more than likely grew two feet and was helped out of the fire cache. The person that did this was just trying to cover up that it was Forest Service property. Stuff like this was taken frequently for personal use. When I worked for the Park Service, I had a brand new chain saw disappear out of my equipment cache. I had a good idea where it ended up. We served a warrant on the person and sure enough it was there. Along with about $10,000.00 of other govt. equipment!
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Gunhippie
Newfie wrote:
I don't understand people who steal low dollar value items from their well paying job. Why risk it?



A USFS or NPS seasonal position is NOT a well-paying job.

Stuff like this got "stuck to the truck" and wandered off all the time. The USFS would occasionally "purge" fire caches and toss out lots of perfectly good equipment to help spend any funds left from the fiscal year--"use it or lose it" was a by-word. Much of that stuff went home with someone.

I remember "cleaning out" the fire cache at one station I worked. We were told to toss any hand tools--Pulaskis, axes, shovels, etc--that didn't have varnish on the handles. Of course, first thing you do when you buy a new wood-handled tool is to scrape or sand the varnish off the handle, as it will give you blisters!
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
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Gasman64
[welcome], Bo, from Pennsylvania! Very nice latest find you have there...
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Boglo
I grew up in Lansdale, PA... still call it home even though I’ve been in CA for 30 years. Thank you for your welcome! Now I have to go back to battling with a milspec. Got gas to the burner but all I get is flame or a low glow.
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Gasman64
Boglo wrote:
I grew up in Lansdale, PA... still call it home even though I’ve been in CA for 30 years. Thank you for your welcome! Now I have to go back to battling with a milspec. Got gas to the burner but all I get is flame or a low glow.

Lansdale, hmmm....years ago, I was interested in a young lady from the Lansdale area; met her in Pensacola in the early '80s.  She was in college, I was in the Navy.
With the MilSpec, are you preheating the generator? Use something like a micro torch (butane), and keep it moving up and down to keep from melting the aluminum.  Maybe you know, but the MilSpecs like a low starting pressure, maybe 10-12 pumps, or even less.  Experimentation may be needed.
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TwoCanoes
Tgarner01 wrote:
I would think 61-62 would be late for a USFS Coleman, but I'm no expert on them

Hmmm.  I'm no expert, either, but I just got 2 USFS 200As - one a 4-'68 and the other, in the box, a 2-'73.  The box says "FS STAMPED" and the lantern is, indeed, stamped 'USFS'.  I'll post pictures later.
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Gunhippie
Cool!

So, does this validate my "stippled" B '46 USFS 220C?

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Getting serious, back in the day, everything the USFS bought came from the GSA (General Services Administration) catalog. If anyone can find some archived GSA catalogs, it would clear a lot of this up.

I've been without internet all afternoon, so little chance for research. Besides, my search-fu seems to suck.
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
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Tgarner01
TwoCanoes wrote:

Hmmm.  I'm no expert, either, but I just got 2 USFS 200As - one a 4-'68 and the other, in the box, a 2-'73.  The box says "FS STAMPED" and the lantern is, indeed, stamped 'USFS'.  I'll post pictures later.

Oh wow! Have you posted pictures of these? I wasn't aware the FS had lanterns that late. I learn something new everyday tho. 
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Gunhippie
Yeah, we really need pics of those!
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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TwoCanoes
Gunhippie wrote:
Yeah, we really need pics of those!

The left lantern is the 2-'73.  It goes with the box.  The stamp is faint on the lantern on the right.
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MotorcycleDan
Tgarner01 wrote:

Oh wow! Have you posted pictures of these? I wasn't aware the FS had lanterns that late. I learn something new everyday tho. 


Great find on those 200A's!! 

These were not made by Coleman for the Forest Service. All the ones that are engraved, spray painted with stencil, have FS punched in the rim, or scraped through the paint with a nail, are all off the shelf lanterns that were purchased by the FS for their use. Yes, they still count as a FS lantern.  But not as sought after as the ones from the 30's that came from Coleman with USFS stamped into the side of the fount. 
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Tgarner01


Great find on those 200A's!! 

These were not made by Coleman for the Forest Service. All the ones that are engraved, spray painted with stencil, have FS punched in the rim, or scraped through the paint with a nail, are all off the shelf lanterns that were purchased by the FS for their use. Yes, they still count as a FS lantern.  But not as sought after as the ones from the 30's that came from Coleman with USFS stamped into the side of the fount. 

Yeah I had figured as much. I just find it odd the forest service would need lanterns into the 60s and 70s with flashlights becoming more prevalent. I guess for longer lighting probably. Still just as cool to me as the stamped version!
Toby Garner
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Whitegas Extraordinaire


Great find on those 200A's!! 

These were not made by Coleman for the Forest Service. All the ones that are engraved, spray painted with stencil, have FS punched in the rim, or scraped through the paint with a nail, are all off the shelf lanterns that were purchased by the FS for their use. Yes, they still count as a FS lantern.  But not as sought after as the ones from the 30's that came from Coleman with USFS stamped into the side of the fount. 


Looks like a factory FS marking on the box!
Maybe by a contract packager? I need to reup my cage code to dig deep into procurement!

Thank you
Kevin
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TwoCanoes
But not as sought after as the ones from the 30's

Funny you should say that.  I wasn't seeking them at all.  A friend texted me saying he had a friend who was cleaning out his garage.  Wondered if I'd take them.  I said yeah, okay.  Didn't know they were FS.  In fact, I thought I was picking up just one 200A and a very mouse-turdy 413D.
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Rustytank
I'd be tickled with either of those!
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Gunhippie


Looks like a factory FS marking on the box!
Maybe by a contract packager? I need to reup my cage code to dig deep into procurement!

Thank you
Kevin


As I mentioned above, all USFS procurement--officially, anyhow--was through the GSA. If you can find some of the old catalogs archived somewhere (these were massive), it would be interesting to see what kind of Coleman offerings they had.
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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Whitegas Extraordinaire
Gunhippie wrote:


As I mentioned above, all USFS procurement--officially, anyhow--was through the GSA. If you can find some of the old catalogs archived somewhere (these were massive), it would be interesting to see what kind of Coleman offerings they had.


I am assuming everything hade a cage code? The detail and drawings from into the sixties and seventies is staggering though I never looked much older. Sadly this detail may not be shared unless you can find it another archive. There’s a minimal clearance required to access that data.

Thank you!
Kevin
I frighten easily!

My current shade is Coleman!!

To me a lamp without a shade is creepy!

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Gunhippie
I don't know what a "cage code" is or was. All I recall from trying to source equipment from the GSA catalog was that everything had a military name, making it very difficult to find something you'd know as Channel Loc or water-pump pliers all you life, only to discover that they were called "Pliers, Parrot-nose, slip-joint, 1 (one) ea."

I spent several weeks each spring going through that massive tome for several years in the late '70s and early '80s.
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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Whitegas Extraordinaire
Gunhippie wrote:
I don't know what a "cage code" is or was. All I recall from trying to source equipment from the GSA catalog was that everything had a military name, making it very difficult to find something you'd know as Channel Loc or water-pump pliers all you life, only to discover that they were called "Pliers, Parrot-nose, slip-joint, 1 (one) ea."

I spent several weeks each spring going through that massive tome for several years in the late '70s and early '80s.

Cage code is the code assigned to a seller to our government, NATO and any other friendly nation. NSN being the National Stock Number of the items being purchased. 6260-01-440-6111 is Coleman 2000A750.
There are huge databases of these procurements dating way back to when the system was created. As well as additional databases giving you access to drawings of these components which are classified. I’ve always asked about NSN numbers for the lantern crates holding two, 252 with spare parts. The drawings exist for assembly of these crates.

Thank you!
Kevin
I frighten easily!

My current shade is Coleman!!

To me a lamp without a shade is creepy!

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Gunhippie
Got it. Seems we did have to use some big numbers to order from the GSA. I sure wish I had one of those catalogs--they put Sears Roebuck to shame!

I've hit a wall trying to find any archives of the old catalogs. Maybe someone else has stronger search-fu than I.
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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Whitegas Extraordinaire
Gunhippie wrote:
Got it. Seems we did have to use some big numbers to order from the GSA. I sure wish I had one of those catalogs--they put Sears Roebuck to shame!

I've hit a wall trying to find any archives of the old catalogs. Maybe someone else has stronger search-fu than I.

No reason to digitize the catalogues when the data is stored elsewhere. If you had the NSN number you could identify just about anything they ever bought!
I frighten easily!

My current shade is Coleman!!

To me a lamp without a shade is creepy!

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Dmacp
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I wouldn’t dare repaint it


If you look at the decal you will see that surface corrosion under the decal is eating into the fount. This year had poor paint and there was no primer under it. that could be fatal damage if let go.
 
Dan
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Gunhippie

No reason to digitize the catalogues when the data is stored elsewhere. If you had the NSN number you could identify just about anything they ever bought!


But I'd need the catalog to look it up!
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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Boglo
Dmacp wrote:


If you look at the decal you will see that surface corrosion under the decal is eating into the fount. This year had poor paint and there was no primer under it. that could be fatal damage if let go.
 


Thanks for the heads-up!
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Gunhippie
Don't worry about that too much. I have much worse that work fine.

To be safe, dunk test the fount.
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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