200A and 202 reproduction
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treimo
Kinda new to this lantern restoration thing, but I've found it's addictive. A big THANKS for all of the helpful posts here; they have saved me from wasting your time with new posts.

Recently acquired a kinda rough AGM American Ready Lite 277 to help cut my teeth (determined the model through picture matching here http://tgmarsh.faculty.noctrl.edu/agmlantearly.htm). Just started cleaning it up and have determined that the fount is sound and the valve works. 2 questions as I approach the rest of it:

1) Generator (AGM L35 I believe) seems clogged (though there is some air movement through it), expect it to be a problem when I test. From what I read, it's the equivalent of the Coleman Q77, but the AGM L510 will also work on it, and the equivalent of the L510 is the Coleman R55. I'd like to try an R55 on it because of the tip cleaner, but before I order one from OCP, can someone confirm that the R55 base nut will fit in an AGM? (I only ask because the nut is effectively "built-in" on the R55.)

2) The leather pump cup has a tear; I can get it to pump up but imagine it will become troublesome. Is anyone aware of what to get as a replacement for this?

Thanks and apologies if I missed this in a prior post (I searched several)!
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Mike

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Chucker
Hello and welcome to the forum.

You may be able to get more life from the current generator. I've purchased a 288 but don't recall what the gen looks like. Generally speaking, if the generator tip can be un-threaded (removed) you can heat the entire generator (off the lantern of course) with a propane torch until dull red then quench it in a pan of water. Doing this several times will burn out some of the coking internally and may restore some use.

I'm sorry I don't have the R55 info you ask for - others here may. I recall the AGM version just had the tip cleaner located a bit higher than the R55. Compare the pump cup to a Coleman side by side. They may be close enough to buy a Coleman. I don't recall people having issues finding AGM pump cups including me.

In the end, you can email or call Cigar Mike at Old Coleman Parts with this question and he'll get back to you usually within 24 hours with your answer.
Chuck
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SteveRetherford
i sure dont know all of the agm gennys , but there are several coleman and agm's that will interchange . agm had there own version of the R55 similar to colemans and they are interchangeable

these are agm Gennys

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dwillie
In my experience the R55 Coleman gen will work the same. The pumps on the 277-8 are a bugger to keep from leaking back. watch for that, as it could blow some fuel back out when running. I think its a steel ball in the bottom of the pump for a check valve. they get rusty and wont seal well. if you remove the tip from the straight gen you have and prick it from the inside it may be fine, and I just use an old pricker from a discarded gen. blow thru it with the tip off, and if t passes air well, its good to go. they plug from non-use and verdigris.
Darien.
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Eel
I can confirm that R55 fits an L109 hole.
L109 to left, R55 to right (aint that neat?), and Q77 in the middle.  All nuts shown are threaded 5/16-27.
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treimo
Thanks for your quick and on-point responses, guys! I will try to get the old gen to work (at least to test) but think the R55 might be a convenience factor for regular use.

I'll watch out on that pump. I think the check valve ain't quite doing its job (there was at least a little push-back when pumping it dry) and of course it doesn't have the little tube like the "newer" Coleman pumps so the fuel would logically back up; trying to get that working will be on my task list before fill-up. Not yet sure if a replacement check valve is an option either (I know OCP has some for AGM and some others that aren't specified, but they don't seem to look like the end of this one, though I still need to take it off the pump assembly to get full view).

Thanks again - I hope I can soon be of help!

Mike
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Mike

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treimo
Managed to find some time to tinker with this again. I’m sure most of you already know this but the check valve turned out to be the spring-loaded type, made of brass, not in terrible condition, cleaned up ok. But I managed to break the spring, which likely needed replacement regardless.

The stop (not sure that’s the correct term) was brass with a soft (rubber?) gasket insert. 90-ish years was enough to have it crumbling. Should be easy enough to find some petro resistant material to refurbish the stop, and now I need to find a replacement spring (1/4” diameter, very thin wire on the original). Gotta admit the learning curve is making this lantern more fun.

Thanks again for the prior responses and help!

Mike
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Dmacp
Some 277 pumps have the safety tube

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Dan
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treimo
Thanks, Dan. Mine does not have the safety tube (unless it’s missing something), so I think that makes the check valve that much more essential.

Mike
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Mike

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treimo
Just wanted so say a big THANKS for everyone's responses and for some PM assistance, as well! I have successfully gotten this lantern working nicely with the old gen, am still planning to try it with the R55 in the future. Gotta admit these blue tops may get addictive.

I would attach photos but even after resize I'm not able to do it. Does anyone have a suggestion as to how to make photos "fit" size-wise for this forum?

Thanks again!

 -Mike

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Mike

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treimo
I got the photos downsized a little more and got them to post.

Go easy on me, I'm still new to this. As to the lantern, I know she still has some of her blemishes (nothing like the dirty rusty mess I started with), but I think those are a testament to an existence far longer than mine, so I guess I embrace them. The glass is a cracked Coleman Pyrex I had on hand; I suppose I should replace that but for now it works. The mantles are "testers" (Walmart special) and I'll spare you the anatomical metaphors applicable after burn-in, but they are soon to be replaced. The check valve is really essential for this model so I'm glad that issue was raised (and thankful for another's PM in helping me with the CV). Still plan to try an R55 gen, and could still use a new pump leather (obviously I am making this one work).

Thanks again, everyone!


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Mike

Looking for 10/76 birthday lanterns, incl. 200A and any blue Canadian model from then.

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dwillie
good you got it running. I wish you could post a pic of the pump with no riser air tube. the 2 I have done have a steel to brass shutoff with the riser tube. when the steel gets rusty it messed up the positive shut off. I had a bad time getting the point polished sp it would seal when cranked in. I added a small brass ball instead of the rusty pitted NRV BALL.
YOURS IS A GOOD LOOKER.
Darien.
“All of us are creatures of a day; the rememberer and the remembered alike.”    

Coleman Blues #67.   ICCC #1242.   Searching for 5-1940. 6-36.
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Mark in Texas
Well worth the effort you put into it so far, looks great!
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treimo
Thanks, guys.

Darien, I have photos of the pump and check valve I'll try to post later sometime (I need to spend some time resizing them and I'm at work right now). However, the check valve on this one isn't the ball-type, but rather a spring-loaded type with a brass "pip" that was originally loaded with cork (now I have viton rubber in the brass, as recommended by another user). I actually broke the spring so I had to replace that, as well.

This one was made to be removed from the bottom outside of the tube, not from inside the tube like removing the check valve from the built-in pumps on a Coleman.
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Mike

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treimo
Darien, here are the pix of my 277 pump, including the bottom of it and the check valve when taken apart (as you can see, I broke the spring and there was no "seal" material in the brass pip; thanks to another member here I have a new spring and learned the right material for the seal).


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Mike

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Dmacp
Both those springs come out of the NRV?
Dan
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treimo
Dan, that was one spring but broke into 2 parts.
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Mike

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dwillie
thanks. I hadn't seen that type of CHECK VALVE on this model. I wonder if its newer than the ball type? I would imagine, as later in the 30s they went to the cork style.
Darien.
“All of us are creatures of a day; the rememberer and the remembered alike.”    

Coleman Blues #67.   ICCC #1242.   Searching for 5-1940. 6-36.
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treimo
Darien, I really don't know as to year. I figured this lantern to be out of the late 20s based on Terry Marsh's website, but that was because there were other models to follow in either the late 20s or early 30s. Also, I thought the ball-style with the safety air tube would have come later, given that the tube would be an improvement (if there is a CV failure on mine, it would almost certainly result in fuel backing up the pump tube; because of that, I went through several "air only" pumpings to make sure it held, and now I pump it up only before I light it, and not while it is running like a Coleman).

Having said all of that, it has been working great through probably a half dozen uses thus far.
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Mike

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