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Thalweg
Hello All,
I stumbled across this site a couple of days ago, and y'all inspired me. I had two lanterns sitting in the store-room that wouldn't work. One is a Colman 228 from March 1953. The other is a Sears from January 1967. The Sears was my dads. I vaguely remember when he got it in 1967, I was only about three years old. We used it for camping all through my childhood. A few years ago he was cleaning his basement, and was going to toss it into the trash. I rescued it, but it's just been sitting for several years. The Coleman was one I bought at a garage sale in 1989. It didn't work then, and since that was before the advent of the internet, I didn't know how to figure out how to fix it, so it's been sitting in a box since then.

A couple of days ago, with the help of things I read on this site and a few Youtube videos, I tore the Coleman apart, got it all cleaned up and reassembled. It fired up and is running beautifully.

I tore into the Sears this morning. It was much easier, since it had just done the Coleman and pretty much knew how to do it now. It cleaned up much easier, as most of the parts were brass instead of steel like the Colman. Unfortunately I can't get it to fire up. I only get a very slight sputtering sound and an occasional flash in the mantles. Am I correct in assuming that it's not getting adequate fuel. I wasn't able to remove the check-valve, as I don't have the appropriate tool, but it seems to be pressurizing, and I don't see any indication of leakage. I didn't replace the cap gasket, but it seems to be okay. The only thing I can figure is that the fuel pick up tube might the obstructed, and as I understand it, that tube is inaccessible.

Thanks for any advice you can provide. IMG_0480 Resize.jpg  IMG_0481 resize.jpg 
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Tgarner01
Welcome to the forum from SW Missouri. My guess is your pickup tube did not get cleaned good enough. You might read this if you haven't already. 
https://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/post/basic-lantern-diagnostics-10620466?pid=1312372584&highlight
Toby Garner
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zoomkat
"The only thing I can figure is that the fuel pick up tube might the obstructed, and as I understand it, that tube is inaccessible."

I'm not familiar with the Sears fuel pick up assembly, but if you did not work on it, that eliminates an error on reassembly. A basic basic, make sure you try starting the lantern with a full fuel tank. A partly filled tank can make starts somewhat anemic.
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Kosterme
I’m still new to this sight but I had an issue on a 242 and a gentlemen here said to take a propane torch to the genny to get it warmed up, (a small one of course) I had the same issues as you described. Not saying it’s the issue but in my situation that worked for me 

regards 

kraig 
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74HARLEY
The airtube is accessible,you just have to remove the valve from the fount. Basically a complete disassembly. 
You got this!
Joe
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Thalweg
I just went out and preheated the generator. It fired right up. Is this something I will need to do every time I use the lantern, or is this because it it the first time it's been run in 30 years? IMG_0483 Resize.jpg 
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outlawmws
Let it cool off and give it another shot, but I've found the first firing is sometimes cantankerous, and then it "catches its wind".    No clue, why..
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Thalweg
Awesome. Thank you all so much for the advice. It was fun bringing these back to life. I may have to start hitting garage sales and get more. The wife will be so pleased 🙁

I think I might have an old Coleman stove in the attic somewhere.....hmmmm
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Gunhippie
The Sears is a Coleman--just made for Sears. All the parts are the same, except for the fount.

If it needs pre-heating, the air part of the fuel-air circuit is clogged--or maybe you just didn't wait long enough. With a clean, dry gen, it can take a minute or so for the fuel/air mixture to get through.
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Thalweg
Maybe it wasn't completely dry. I was trying to fire it up less than an hour after some of the parts came out of the citric acid. I'll try it again tomorrow.
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Coldwaterpaddler
First, welcome from Colorado! Glad you could join us with two fine lanterns. One of them has family memories and history. Very cool!

Second, I've worked on three lanterns lately for other people and all three had start-up issues. Check the generator first for carbon build-up and clogging, but if that's not it, and it wasn't with the ones I mentioned, then it's likely the metal rod that goes down the  middle of the F/A (Fuel/Air) mixing tube in the fount. Those steel rods get varnished from sitting in fuel and then drying and what happens is the small opening between the orifice and the rod closes off. When that happens you only get air at startup or maybe just the smallest amount of fuel. Basically, I'm just restating what Gunhippie is saying (fuel/air circuit is clogged). When I remove the valve, I take some #0000 steel wool and clean that steel rod until it shines, put it back together and it lights nicely without preheating the generator. If you do remove the valve, observe for your self how that rod goes up and down based on how far you turn the valve wheel. It'll make more sense when you see it.

But, before you go that route make sure you check that the gen isn't clogged, and that when you open the valve it gets air passing through the generator and that after pumping 45-60 time you can open the fuel cap and get a loud hiss of air escaping. The reason is that sometimes those fuel cap gaskets can fool you. They seem good, but they're leaking air and you don't have as much pressure as you think. If it's the original gasket, you should change it. I think they're a dollar from our host. Might as well buy a half-dozen since it looks like you got the bug and there's more lanterns in your future!
Stovie-Steve
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Thalweg
Thank you. Are you referring to the thin rod that goes inside the pickup tube that has a spring on it and tiny needle on the end of it? I cleaned it, but maybe I didn't to a very good job. I'll pull it apart and do it again just to make sure. I noticed a small hole on the top of the pickup tube. I didn't pay it any attention, but is that something I should look at? I'll rework the generator first, as that's the easiest to remove.

I was planning on ordering gaskets, but wanted to wait until I was sure I didn't need any additional parts. Maybe I'll go ahead and get a new generator to have on hand.

I ran them for about an hour tonight. Everything seemed good until I noticed a hole in a mantle on the 228e. So I shut it down. I hope it didn't do any damage.
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Gasman64
[welcome]from Pennsylvania!  Those two lanterns look really nice; good job!
You are correct about what Coldwaterpaddler mentioned about cleaning the rod in the pickup tube (we commonly refer to here as the "F/A" tube, the Fuel/Air tube.)  Yes, clean the inner rod, and twirl a toothpick in the bottom hole; to properly fire up the lantern, the rod closes off most of the fuel, but there still is a little bit getting through to start it up.

Good decision on shutting down the lantern when you noticed holes in a mantle.  The hot jet of flame through such holes can actually leave permanent marks on globes (if it goes that way), and we all treasure our original globes here.
Steve
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zoomkat
"Are you referring to the thin rod that goes inside the pickup tube that has a spring on it and tiny needle on the end of it? I cleaned it, but maybe I didn't to a very good job."

If you took the fuel pickup assembly apart, often people reinstall the spring incorrectly. If the lantern ran good after you got it started (and did not lose pressure after a little while), then the fuel pickup assembly is probably ok. Get some run time on the lantern and see if it performs better.
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surffisher60
welcome from South Texas,  that Sears lantern is in amazing shape..nice clean up on both.
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Thalweg
Well, the Sears wouldn't fire up this morning. I removed the generator and and found some debris in it and it seems plugged up. I was unsuccessful at unplugging it. So I ordered a new one from OCP. While I was at it, I ordered new cap gaskets, pump leather, check valve, and check valve removal tool.
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Majicwrench
The #1 reason they won't light is the generator tip is plugged. That is why they came with a lever to spin to clean the generator. Very very normal to have to spin the lever to clean tip, especially on a recent rebuild! as you clean out all the tiny particle. 

Next time either gives yoiu a hard time, spin that tip cleaner!!
Keith
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Thalweg
Thanks Keith, 
I did spin the cleaner, many  times. I took the generator apart, blew it out with compressed air, sprayed carb cleaner in it, and blew it out again. I tried using the smallest welding tip cleaner I could find, but it was too big for the hole. I think there is something jammed in it. It looks like the cardboard packing is deteriorating, so I bet it is part of that. At this point I'll just wait for the new generator to arrive.
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Flyboyfwa
I am over 50 lanterns in and have had to buy only one new generator. You can clean most up. If you need to you can get a replacement for the white tube in the generator and clean all the other parts. There are plenty of subs for the tube. Search 

After a long time sitting and then being cleaned they sometimes just need to have some run time and clear their throat and they will run fine. Stick with it. You'll get it. Spin that pricker! You may need to do it a bunch until it gets cleared out.
Andy
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Majicwrench
Thalweg,
  We often call that tube "cardboard" but it really isn't. Go figure 🙂

No way a welding tip cleaner will work!  Hole is like .006.  A bristle from a wire brush works in most cases, or use the bitty wire on the tip of the generator rod, that is what it is for.

Good job cleaning those up.
Keith
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zoomkat
" or use the bitty wire on the tip of the generator rod, that is what it is for. "

Oooo…, good way to ruin a good pricker wire. Use a straight steel bristle from a small wire brush. $1 for the brush at HF, or $10 for a new generator at the store. I learned my lesson.
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Thalweg
I started building a box for the Sears lantern tonight. It'll be a "special" box. I hope to have it done before the parts get here, but that may be difficult. It'll keep me in the shop though, instead of in front of the TV. 
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outlawmws
Take pics of the box build and finish!
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“A Human Being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, give orders, take orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook  a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.  Specialization is for insects.”            - Lazarus Long


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Thalweg
Will do.
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Thalweg
I received the parts that I ordered from OCP. It was impressive how quickly they came. I replaced the generator on the Sears lantern, and now it works very well. I was also able to remove the check valve with the new tool, and got the cv cleaned up. It had quite a bit of varnish on it and it seemed to be sticky.

I'm still working on the box. 
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