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Nevada_Ed
Here I have expressed concerns about social media software and to one degree or another you make your choices vs benefits.

But in the last few days I have seen some new, or at least not noticed before by myself yet.

While getting something at Walmart I saw some of the drivers sunglasses and made an impulse buy with a credit card, bought them, had seen them on TV but never looked them up on the net or anything else. Less than a couple of hours later when I got home I looked something up on Yahoo, not for retail but something of interest/history. The returned results came with ads, the first one was the exact TV sunglasses I had purchased, followed by other sunglasses, and no I had not searched for sunglasses on the net, ever.

There are a couple of other examples but I will mention one more, I checked on Ebay for an item, did not find exactly what I wanted, but the next day google searches now included ads for the stuff I had looked at on Ebay. Dang, our information and search results are sold everywhere but looks like it is now almost in real time.

Ed

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Gunhippie
I drives me mad when ads for products I'VE ALREADY BOUGHT follow me around the interwebby. Wouldn't all the research and tracking be more effective if ad for stuff I'm interested in followed me around? Like, y'know, nickel plated lanterns?
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
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campinut
I think if purchased online with same credit card number you use in stores? Your purchase info can be seem by other comoanies that carry the same product..campinut..
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I've noticed lately that suggested movies that come up on YouTube are movies that I have looked up recently on imdb.com ... 
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HwyChef
One option you might have (If you have Apple / Mac) is to use the "private browser window" while searching for stuff. Supposedly it won't let the web track you and there is no retained history in your browser history. YMMV. 
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Gand28
And isn’t there proof that Google sometimes listens to conversations that the Google Home hears?  You don’t have to even look up an item, just mention it in conversation!
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Ed

That might make an interesting discussion with your credit card company. Doubtful that WM got your EM off of a purchase but how would your CC company know what you purchased at WM?

inconceivable!!!

Gary  
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 Yesterday - I was pulling in to pump some gas and an ad/commercial came on the Pandora music I was listening to, for the QuickyMart at that gas station. Freaked me out! Coincidence? 🤔😬
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JimL
There's something like 24 sites you need to go to for them to stop targeting your ads.  Good luck being successful as many will fail when trying and you have to repeatedly try.  I no longer use Chrome since it was published that everything you do with Chrome is tracked and saved forever.   Facebook attorneys a few weeks ago, in defense of their tracking, stated that there is no expectation of privacy. Of course, this didn't address the fact that they track everyone you know, even if they're not on Facebook.

Firefox is going extra steps towards ensuring privacy.   One of their latest recommended add-ons is Facebook container, which blocks Facebook and their other sites from tracking you outside of Facebook.  With such a small fine* for Facebook's sharing data with Cambridge Analytica, there's pretty much no stopping them now.

The fine was $5 billion, but with Facebook's cash on hand, they get to laugh at the FCC and their stock went up as a result of the amount of the fine.

-Jim

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Deanofid
Google is the most evil company on this planet, outside of Huawei in red China.  Facebook and Twitter are running a close second.  They all spy on the dupes who use them and use their info to target their own customers.  This is just the beginning.  Wait until Google starts assigning people with "social credit" scores.  Were you good last week?  Did you treat the guy at the coffee stand nice?  Did you tip your waitress?  Google is watching.

It's no laughing matter.
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Jayhawksr
I was at a conference last fall and key note speaker was a professor that specialize in internet privacy. She told us that even if you’ve never opened a Facebook account, Facebook has one made for you so they can aggregate data about you. They do it partly from your friends and family members accounts, other online sources and public info. Big brother is here and there is good chance he is reading this forum. The European Union started a pretty cool thing a few years ago — the right to be forgotten. You can basically remove your online persona (in the EU anyway).

Me, much like Winston, I’ve learned to love big brother. 
Richard (KC native and KU Alumni living in Maryland)
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stoves1234
      Yesterday I was doing some online research on amber 220 globes using my phone.  I had found one last weekend. Later in the evening an amber globe popped up on my wife's smartphone. Coincedence? 
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25 502s
Gand28 wrote:
And isn’t there proof that Google sometimes listens to conversations that the Google Home hears?  You don’t have to even look up an item, just mention it in conversation!


My brother swears someone listens to his conversations. See ads for things he recently talked about. 

Scary stuff. I am not for government intervention in most instances but google should be broken up and investigated deeper. 
Jason
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shaune509
Cell phone apps are all tracking you, ad in a CC swipe app and they now know what and where you bought . Then add maps and they will sell you things as you go down the street. Wifi car systems just increase this tracking. My daughter gave me a ride to the doc today and her car kept warning her of "photo stop lights slow down" all the way thru down town.How many cameras and facial recognition  did you pass today? We are in a full Orwellian era with no return.Think about how NCIS LA is always using the net to find the bad guys and multiply by 10. Just IMHO.
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kb0hae
Shaune509 I think its more like multiply by 10,000!
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JimL
Here's an article on Google's tracking of your credit card purchases.  They'll match it up even if you looked at an ad and later bought in a physical store.

https://blogs.creditcards.com/2017/06/google-plan-to-track-card-data-outrages-privacy-activists.php

-Jim

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Tigerfans2
Years ago my nephew (who enjoyed his pharmaceuticals) asked me about people listening to him through his TV. Now where are we
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Gasman64
Gand28 wrote:
And isn’t there proof that Google sometimes listens to conversations that the Google Home hears?  You don’t have to even look up an item, just mention it in conversation!

Anyone that has a device in your home that listens to your voice commands (and does things for you), in the name of convenience, is apparently unconcerned about their privacy.  Do you really want a gadget, online and all, listening to your home, and any nearby conversations? Do you have any idea just who is listening? People get accounts and whatnot hacked, so for all you know, some geek/egghead down your street who's too smart for their own good could be listening to you and your wife and kids talking.
I'll look up things myself, play music myself, and turn lights on and off and the thermostat up or down myself; I can't believe people have gotten so lazy they just want to say, "Alexa, turn up the AC!"
No microphones or cameras in my home, no way.
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JimL
Both Amazon and Google keep a permanent record of everything said that their devices can hear.  The reasoning is to ensure that everything being said is reviewed to ensure quality 'speech recognition'.  People listening in have stated that they've heard people in distress as well as crimes in progress, but do not take action. 

The only good that I know of coming from one of these devices happened recently.  A guy was beating the heck out of his girl friend, including repeatedly kicking her when she was down.  He was in a rage and said something to the effect of 'Did you call the sheriff?' at which point Alexa took it as a command to call the sheriff.  It may have actually saved her life.  If a person was listening to that, they would not take action, so these companies are off the hook for any sense of moral responsibility.

-Jim

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liteitup
What they can do has been proven, the most surprising thing to me is the real time results, Alexa answers your question almost without a moments hesitation. How must computing power do they really have in those banks of computers? If they can do this effortlessly for you, what can these computers really do?
Don't worry I'm sure I will like the taste of solvent green, at least they will tell me that I do. Sure wish I could find that movie, think I saw it only once on T.V. 😁
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zoomkat
This past weekend "60 Minutes" had an interesting story on surveillance technology in China. Artificial intelligence programs are advanced due to the brute force computing available. Cameras now have amazing resolution for input into analytical databases. It is not all bad, a while back I got offered a new 285A with case from amazon at a price I couldn't pass up. I went for a simple oil change at Meineke muffler and the first thing they did was run my truck tag number thru a database they bought from the DMV (you have to go thru a written process to get tag info, but a stalker at the oil change place see where your wife/daughter live and license info if they come in)  so they knew where I live and such. The only reason I found out was that the tech copied the tag number wrong, and they said the tag and truck did not match, like maybe the tag was stolen.     
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JimL
>>Sure wish I could find that movie, think I saw it only once on T.V.

Lee,

The movie is 'Soylent Green', not solvent green.  Remember, Tuesday is Soylent Green day!

-Jim

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“Soylent Green is people!”
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CaptainFantastic
Lots of talk right now about FaceApp (https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49018103)
Never heard of it before, but does not surprise me what they are reporting about it. Terms of use allow them to do whatever they want with the images. Beware of such things.
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Dmacp
I wanted to post a picture of a recently departed friend on Facebook. I had a picture of him and his ex-wife taken a good many years ago. The title of the picture contained both his name and that of his ex. Well, Facebook automatically posted the statement "Dan (me) is with so and so (the ex-wife). As it turns out I am not with her, nor do I intend to be. So I tried to delete that statement. Facebook would not let me delete the statement and I found myself arguing with them. Finally I deleted the post. Then I renamed the file and posted it again. Facebook then made the picture invisible to many of my friends. I found myself scratching my head. Then another friend told me Facebook is using facial recognition software and eventually I would not be able to argue my way out of it. I'm not the most computer literate person when it comes to this level of garbage. It blows me away. I've had a number of odd incidents happen with them. Bogus messages from friends is another. You get angry at a guy for saying something he really didn't say.
I cover the camera on my device with a piece of tape. If I could find the microphone I'd cover it too.
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Nevada_Ed
Gand28 wrote:
“Soylent Green is people!”

Ah Soylent Green, in its day a great movie.
After a massive PE I was in ICU at the downtown Reno hospital, on the fourth floor, a huge corner room with windows running the length of the corner outside walls. A beautiful view of the Sierra Mountains........ Damn I thought I was in the Soylent Green room, lol.

Ed

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Deanofid
Oh no!  Don't go there, Ed.  Not the Soylent Green Room!  (Well, only if you get to meet Edward G. Robinson.)
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MapleJoe
nothing like some delicious soylent green.  I don't even want to know what it is made of - like hot dogs!
MapleJoe
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Gand28
Those too young to remember the movie probably have no problem consuming the modern Soylent products...

https://soylent.com/products/drink-variety-pack?utm_medium=ocpm&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=variety%20pack&utm_content=paid&utm_term=drink&utm_source=adwords&gclid=CjwKCAjwscDpBRBnEiwAnQ0HQImFA8HshuzodJIZOGqZL8mwJZzQwzVQEl2L3H28lEXEGyqWKZKzVxoC10gQAvD_BwE
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kb0hae
I have seen the movie several times over the years.  The movie or parts of it may be available on YouTube.  No way would I drink Soylent products!  The only thing Orwell got wrong was the year!
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JimL
>>No way would I drink Soylent products! 

I'm pretty sure the current Soylent products are not made from processed human bodies, but I don't see the ingredients listed on their website.

-Jim

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dwillie
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fuel brained
This is why I use an older desktop with an older monitor. No mikes or cameras to worry about. I did disconnect them both on my laptop though. And remember the chip is coming!!
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rob_pontius
My wife uses an iPhone. If we are talking about something, when she unlocks her phone, there are all kinds of ads regarding whatever we were talking about. I don't like that at all. It's like her phone is always listening. 
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Whitegas Extraordinaire
I consider myself a serial iPhone/iPad user. Way to much screen time.

I have never noticed any ads driven by my conversations and I can not shut up.

Cross device ads based on browsing history from the same IP address yes.

WGE
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MapleJoe
rob_pontius wrote:
My wife uses an iPhone. If we are talking about something, when she unlocks her phone, there are all kinds of ads regarding whatever we were talking about. I don't like that at all. It's like her phone is always listening. 


I too have had ads pop up a day after just discussing some product with my wife.    I don't think it is coincidental.  my phone was just sitting there (supposedly idle) while we talked about bouncy houses and then later I got ads for them even though we never searched the internet for them.   

I have been using Brave browser for months now and I like that it blocks 'trackers' and ads.   it is a very quick browser because it doesn't download the ad then block it, it doesn't even download the ad.   Plus I get paid for using the browser (less than $3 worth of tokens per month, but hey it is still something).
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Mike
Allegedly, Facebook is feeding lists of non-users, people who have deleted accounts or greatly restricted site permissions, or removed information from their accounts to organizations like Homeland Security. Clearly, these people have things to hide and require more in-depth surveilance.

Or are they?



Great cast and score by Dave Brubeck. Bought my first peacoat after seeing this movie!

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Moses_Yoder
I see advertising as fairly harmless. After all I simply choose to ignore the ad. What are they going to do, force me to buy something? I laugh at people that talk about privacy. In the modern world there is no such thing as privacy. 
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NYGfan
25 502s wrote:
 

Scary stuff. I am not for government intervention in most instances but google should be broken up and investigated deeper. 


uh-oh Jason Now you did it.
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25 502s
NYGfan wrote:


uh-oh Jason Now you did it.


uh-oh. I take it back haha
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JimL
>>uh-oh. I take it back haha

Too late now.  Your response has been recorded and sent to the 'appropriate' telemarketers as punishment.  You can now expect non-stop phone calls offering you back braces, health insurance and stays at Hilton.

-Jim

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25 502s
JimL wrote:
>>uh-oh. I take it back haha

Too late now.  Your response has been recorded and sent to the 'appropriate' telemarketers as punishment.  You can now expect non-stop phone calls offering you back braces, health insurance and stays at Hilton.


The sad part is apparently there is some truth to that statement lol
Jason
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Nevada_Ed
Since I don't use Alexa, Echo, or any of those there is nothing for the them to cull from voice searches... if they actually do that, I don't know. But I will add another problem that was discussed here quite a few years ago, and couple of members in IT said they were sure Google, yahoo and others would never dare scan emails for keywords etc. Web mail, using one the the email services via their provided website. All your private email on those is scanned for keywords of interest for marketing purposes. I had never looked up Cruise ship vacations, or related subjects, but when I answered an email about cruise ship booking from a friend that uses gmail via the gmail website,..... I started getting cruise vacation ads, damn it started the next day, I might not have linked it had it not started so quickly.

So here I use a client email app only, Mozilla Thunderbird for myself but there are many options for email software to use, as long as it is client software, not webmail. My several email address are all checked with the software program. The only email address I can not secure is my gmail account as they place the emails on the webmail site no matter what you do, but they can not scan your replies emails since they do not get to handle the reply.

Ed

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JimL
Amazon's 'Ring Doorbell' is making news as a new surveillance tool.

https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/ring-doorbell-cameras-are-us-cops-new-favourite-surveillance-tool-3835351

-Jim

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JimL
An interesting link.  I'm surprised my little town is on the map for the Ring Doorbell surveillance.

banfacialrecognition.com/map

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Deanofid
Nevada_Ed wrote:
Since I don't use Alexa, Echo, or any of those there is nothing for the them to cull from voice searches... if they actually do that, I don't know.

Yes, they absolutely, positively do that, Ed.  There is a well known case that made the rounds on some media about a couple who were having a very private conversation in their home, and they had the Alexa "service".  They were not talking to Alexa, and it was not supposed to even be on.  The privacy of their conversation involved their home life.  THE NEXT DAY a friend of theirs got a strange email that was a transcript of the conversation of the neighbors.  Amazon said it was some crazy fluke.  My pink bottom, it was...

I can't find the article about the people having their private lives recorded.  This sounds paranoid, but I assume Amazon had it scrubbed from the internet.  A company that rich can do anything.  To anyone.  I did find a different case that is almost exactly the same as the one I am referring to.  In this case the couple were talking about home improvements rather than private life stuff, but all the rest of the details are very similar.  Their conversation was sent to a friend.  Amazon made up an absolutely crazy-corny-nuts excuse and expected everyone to just take their word for it.  Here's a link to the second case:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/may/24/amazon-alexa-recorded-conversation
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Gunhippie
I, for one, wish to welcome our new AI overlords (it's a really bad idea not to welcome the new overlords)!

Luddite here. I live in a county with no stoplights and very little in the way of surveillance. I would not even consider inviting a listening device into my humble cabin, which doesn't even have internet, anyway. My cell phone is so primitive it barely works as a phone--or is that advanced? Never can remember.
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
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JimL
>>Luddite here. I live in a county with no stoplights and very little in the way of surveillance. I would not even consider inviting a listening device into my humble cabin, which doesn't even have internet, anyway. My cell phone is so primitive it barely works as a phone--or is that advanced? Never can remember.

And I bet you're one of those that use liquid fueled lanterns and stoves!  🙂

-Jim

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kb0hae
Hi Timm.  I have a flip phone, no GPS, and no apps.  All it does is make and receive calls and texts.  And I don't use it much.  Not really a luddite here,  I have internet.  My laptop's camera ans mic are disabled, and covered with black electrical tape.  The desktop computer that I use much of the time don't have a mic or camera (unless I plug in the USB endoscope).  I see no reason to have any voice activated internet spy devices.  Anyone tracking me or spying on me would be mighty bored!  I filed my gas tank on Jan 3, and filled it to 3/4 on June 1.  I don't go anywhere that I don't have to, as my health is not the best.  Besides, its been to hot and humid here to do much but stay inside in the air conditioning!
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