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Sped81
I have been searching around the posts on the forum for a bit now and think I understand what I have but still cannot figure out what model it would be/should be.  This past weekend at the Gettysburg gathering, I was fortunate enough to make a deal on a turbin fount torch lite lamp.  At first I assumed it was SS because of the red valve wheel under the cover and the tip cleaner on the torch part but never saw one with a turbin fount.  After searching around, I saw a quick post from one member that sounded like he was describing the same as I have, but the reply was that it was Coleman made.  So now my mind is going nuts trying to figure this out!  I am thinking that Coleman made an AA torch lite lantern with left over SS parts but I still dont know if that is correct or not.  As I said, I have searched the forum for SS lamp models, AA models, and even tried the Terry Marsh site.  Thank you in advance if you can help, I just want to understand more about my lamp and what model it should be designated as unless it is...dare I say....a mix and match lamp.  

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Colemannut
National Stamping and Electric Works. Coleman never had a tip cleaner above the generator on the AA lamps. Many companies used the turbin fount for their lamps during this time period. Looks to be in great condition. Look for stress cracks.
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Sped81
Thank you for the manufacturer identification.  There are no stress cracks and have already run it once.  I know Coleman never had a tip cleaner but this cleaner is exactly like my other torch lite lamp with a red valve wheel other than the fount.  I know it is a SS badged National Stamping and is a Model 10.  So does this mean that the turbin fount is still a model 10?
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SteveRetherford
im a bit skeptical , id have to hunt down some SS catalogs n start looking for a similar model . that said the other shaped national stamping fount is notorious for stress cracks IMHO and i wonder if a better fount was was put under it ? first you need to confirm it was made this way with the turbin fount ???? i dont know one way or the other . the bell cover you have is national stamping and not the coleman  style ..... nice lamp dont get me wrong , just show me the catalog page and confirm its heritage , model # ect .........does the nickel on the fount match the nickel of the bell cover ???? they dont look to match in the pics < again ??? looks to be missing the nut that holds down the fount plate ..... the plate from the other style fount wont fit the turbin fount .  im just looking hard at it .

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SteveRetherford
surly there is more SS literature but here is a bunch thanks to Jeff ..... yet i dont see one similar , thus my skepticism

https://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/post/nulite-adverts-7492391?highlight=national+stamping+safety+sunshine&pid=1300097424

i have seen many turbin fount SS lamps but never one with this with this burner , but i sure havent seen em all either :-)
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coleman54
Knight, Gloria , Incandescent Light,and probably a few others used these founts.
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SteveRetherford
i have a Knight fount here , and ya its turbin shaped but its not the EXACT same shape as a coleman turbin fount . but a coleman burner will screw right onto it .... but i think were getting away from what he has here .....

everything above the fount is absolutely national stamping in my eyes . LOOK  its a working lamp !!!! its just us modern collectors who want everything all original , nos would be even better LOL  this might have been put together by someones whos purpose was just to make lite .    im probobly getting carried away and your gona make me eat my words with a catalog pic now :-)

im just as curious as you here , as i have a LOT of turbin fount lamps but none like this one .
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Sped81
Steve,

Be skeptical!  Please!  I am not upset about any of this or going to make you eat your words!  I am not saying I have some model or variation that has never been seen!  I have been bit by the lamp bug and starting to really get into them now so I want to understand what I have!  I saw this on a table out there at the gathering and grabbed it, and didnt ask questions!  This is my first turbin fount!

I agree that the fount could have easily been replaced at some point.  I noticed the nut missing there and replaced it, albeit not the correct one but one that "worked".  As I said, I have the SS stamped regular fount "Model 10", and yes everything looks the same between them with the exception of the fount.  I probably spent 2 hours searching CCF and reading posts yesterday trying to figure this guy out, hence the reason for a new thread.  I tried searching google for anything I could find, nothing matched.  I am glad to hear that the bell cover is National Stamping, not replaced and matches the upper.  The nickel on the bell cover does not match, the fount is much nicer shape in my opinion.  So what I am seeing here is that the plate has to be the one for the fount, and the bell cover has to be the one for the uppers.  That is good news to me.

Yes, it is a working lamp and I love it, and you are correct that we want our stuff original these days.  If I can identify, somehow, who the manufacturer of the turbin fount is, I will probably go hunting down the correct burner for it, and try to hunt down another good National Stamping fount for the uppers.  Make 2 lamps out of one with some luck.  I saw your posts, Steve, saying sometimes these are put together in the Johnny Cash way!  I get it, and not deterred by it at all!

So last night I took some pictures, and I swear I took one of the burner with the shade holder and such off as well but it is missing.  I will get that one tonight (again).  Does anyone know any definitive way to identify the turbin fount?  I also discovered last night that the bolt on the bottom is weeping...So it begins!

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Colemannut
One resource says Model C: Coleman Model AA Air-O-Lamp with turban fount. Replaced by Model N in 1915.

Model N is a gasoline table lamp. Nulite Model 10 "Air-O-Lamp" (Oct 1915 to 1922)

So the possibility of this National Stamping burner on this turban fount is highly likely. As called a Model C prior to 1915.
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Macburner
Interesting. I am not aware that Nulite ever made a lamp with the turban fount. Knight, Gloria, Coleman, SS and IL&S did though and I have several here. I can't see any differences in the founts but there are minor differences in the bell covers and certainly some variety in the burners. To my mind a turban under a Nulite burner is a hybrid or frankie if you like.
I am aware that this may be heresy but I don't know who made these turban founts. To have the same fount turn up as lamps with collectors and in catalogues of different major manufacturers suggests one of them made it and sold founts to the others. As far as I know any or all of them had the factories and ability. We might assume Coleman made them but in truth we don't know that is true as there is no evidence either way. Or do we have to consider that turbans were made by some as yet unidentified manufacturer and sold as just founts to all of those companies? Unlikely perhaps but maybe?? Some odd things happened during the period between 1912 and the patenting of the Quick-Lite. There are no patents for Coleman in that period and certainly we have never found a patent for the Air-O-Lite. Coleman don't seem to have ever claimed Air-O-Lite as a trade mark in any advertising. They applied for TM registration in 1912 or earlier but there is no evidence it was ever approved. This means that Coleman were selling a lamp for some 5 years without holding a patent for either the fount or the burner and without a registered TM for Air-O-Lite. That is rather odd. They held a patent for the earlier models A & H but not the model AA. So I am left with the evidence that Coleman certainly sold and probably made lamps with the Air-O-Lite burner on a turban fount but no evidence that it was exclusive to Coleman. The burner seems to be exclusive to Coleman but I don't think the fount was. All that is not so very important to me as the PLC lists lamps by brand and from that perspective it makes no difference who made what. I only need to know who sold the lamps and under what brand. 

Heretical thoughts perhaps but to me evidence is all and with these turban founts and the Air-O-Lite burner there seems to be none which leads to any one manufacturer.

::Neil::

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SteveRetherford
i only have this one Knight turbin fount , its a bit different from all the coleman style turbin founts i have . you cant swap fount plates , the nipple n filler plug holes are in a LITTLE different spot , there closer together on the KNIGHT .

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its easier to see the difference right here , look at the gap between holes

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the other little difference is in the fount plate , the dome hight on the Knight is taller than the coleman plate as is the fount dome on the knight .... not a very good pic but i noticed these little differences on the knight years ago , but have yet to complete the lamp as it came with no genny ......

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