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JosephDurham

Well, a couple of days ago I was told that I would be receiving a lantern. It was from a region where my mom lives, so to me, that made the lantern more special. 


It arrived today and I just finally got a chance to take a look at it. It came from my grandmother. It is a Coleman 220H. It’s in rough shape, mainly the frame assembly, and the mixing chamber; there is a fair amount of rust. But it’s not horrible. 


Anyway, I cleaned it the best I could; tied on new mantles, filled her with fuel, and outdoors we went. The mantles were prepped; the pump worked great, and held pressure without question. After 15 minutes I pressurized the lantern; turned the knob 1/4 turn and held a lighter there.  WHOOSH!!

The mantle bottoms disintegrated and the flame went out. 

I believe there is an issue with the generator. But I don’t know. 

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Anyway, it was my first attempt at lighting one of the GPA lanterns, and it didn’t go to well. Lol. Unfortunately, I’m out of time for the day, as I’ve got chores to get done. Tomorrow starts a long 8 day stretch at work.


thanks for reading,

Joseph 

Joseph Durham

ICCC #1954
Looking for bday lantern 10/84

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JimL
I would suggest that the first time you light up with new mantles, do so with very low pressure.   After being lit the first time with low pressure, and any time you light it going forward, pump up with as much pressure as you like. 

-Jim

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Gavercronos
A lighter you say. Try removing the vent and globe and lighting it with the flame right at the mantle. What you described happens when the fuel air mixture is allowed to fill the globe up before it lights. 
And work the tip cleaner while you're lighting it to clear it until it stays lit. Liquid fuel is far from contamination proof even in the most ideal circumstances.
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JosephDurham

Well, the mantles were a nice white ash.  I waited 15 minutes, placed the globe on, placed the vent on, pressurized it, and turned the dial.  I heard fuel coming out, and I placed the flame inside the globe and then it happened.  


Did I do something wrong?  Or does it sound like the regulator?  There was a small flame burning from the bottom of the frame assembly that ended up going out. 

Joseph Durham

ICCC #1954
Looking for bday lantern 10/84

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Tgarner01

Well, the mantles were a nice white ash.  I waited 15 minutes, placed the globe on, placed the vent on, pressurized it, and turned the dial.  I heard fuel coming out, and I placed the flame inside the globe and then it happened.  


Did I do something wrong?  Or does it sound like the regulator?  There was a small flame burning from the bottom of the frame assembly that ended up going out. 


Ideally you would have your flame in the lighting hole before you hear fuel spitting. It does not have to spit very long before you have a heavy fuel air mixture. You'll figure it out, just takes practice.
Toby Garner
ICCC #1939
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JosephDurham
When it was all said and done I tied on a new set of mantles, and when I turned the knob this time, there was no sound of fuel. Does that sound like a generator issue?  How can I go about cleaning it?

Joseph Durham

ICCC #1954
Looking for bday lantern 10/84

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Hot Diggity
Spin the pricker lever.  This is easier with a screwdriver or something.  Open the valve again just a little and listen.  You may also have lost pressure
while you were tying on new mantles.  Nearly all the lanterns I've found needed new cap gaskets.

Some lanterns have more personality than others and some like to put up a fight.  You'll get it working.
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Tgarner01
Do you have a picture of the mantles your using? Those almost look like old silk lites... May not want to be using them for test mantels... I wasted a lot of mantles learning myself. I usually do a mantless test now. Not a perfect test but gets you an idea of how it's going to operate. You'll get it.
Toby Garner
ICCC #1939
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Harlan
Flame coming up around the lower parts of the lantern is often caused by excess fuel running down the air tube from the mixing chamber . The reason is most often just having the too much fuel too soon before you tried to light it . This is all just growing pains in starting a new hobby .
Harlan Davenport
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JosephDurham

Tgarner01 wrote:
Do you have a picture of the mantles your using? Those almost look like old silk lites... May not want to be using them for test mantels... I wasted a lot of mantles learning myself. I usually do a mantless test now. Not a perfect test but gets you an idea of how it's going to operate. You'll get it.


these are the ones that came with it. 
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Joseph Durham

ICCC #1954
Looking for bday lantern 10/84

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JosephDurham
Hot Diggity wrote:
Spin the pricker lever.  This is easier with a screwdriver or something.  Open the valve again just a little and listen.  You may also have lost pressure
while you were tying on new mantles.  Nearly all the lanterns I've found needed new cap gaskets.

Some lanterns have more personality than others and some like to put up a fight.  You'll get it working.


i will have to look at it in a few days. I’ll have to research and figure out where the pricker lever is. 

Joseph Durham

ICCC #1954
Looking for bday lantern 10/84

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Tgarner01
Thought so... If you have any newer mantles I'd use them. Silk lites don't come around much any more... But I'm a bit of a hoarder ðŸ˜
Toby Garner
ICCC #1939
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JimL
I don't believe Silk-Lite mantles have been made since the 80's.  They're pretty special in that they have thorium and are very bright.  Most of us treasure them and would only use them on a special lantern known to run perfectly.  Check prices on ebay if you want to get an idea how 'treasured' they are.

-Jim

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JosephDurham
JimL wrote:
I don't believe Silk-Lite mantles have been made since the 80's.  They're pretty special in that they have thorium and are very bright.  Most of us treasure them and would only use them on a special lantern known to run perfectly.  Check prices on ebay if you want to get an idea how 'treasured' they are.


ahhh well, that’s good to know. I have about 8 packs of these from recent lantern purchases. 😁

Joseph Durham

ICCC #1954
Looking for bday lantern 10/84

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JimL
I know some folks don't like them, but I have great experience using the current production Coleman mantles.  If your local Walmart has them, they may be on clearance.  You can use this link to see if your local Walmart has them in stock.  Just apply your zip code.
https://brickseek.com/walmart-inventory-checker?sku=47531152

-Jim

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mgmlvks
JimL wrote:
I know some folks don't like them, but I have great experience using the current production Coleman mantles.  . . . .


I agree - on sale is a killer deal!
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zoomkat
Do a lot of trouble shooting and asking questions before taking anything apart on the lantern. It is not uncommon for people to damage or ruin their lantern trying to take it apart for the first time. There is a basic starting sequence for generally successful lighting lanterns. Get some current vintage Coleman lantern mantles to run your test with again. As others have said, tank pressure loss due to an old fuel cap gasket is a very common issue. Trouble shoot this first to see if it is leaking pressure.
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hikerduane
The pricker lever is the "L" shaped device sticking out the side, may be a loop on some lanterns.  It moves the pricker rod which has a pricker wire on the upper end, up and down to clear the genny (generator) tip.  May want to bone up on parts, nomenclature before moving further.
Duane
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JosephDurham
zoomkat wrote:
Do a lot of trouble shooting and asking questions before taking anything apart on the lantern. It is not uncommon for people to damage or ruin their lantern trying to take it apart for the first time. There is a basic starting sequence for generally successful lighting lanterns. Get some current vintage Coleman lantern mantles to run your test with again. As others have said, tank pressure loss due to an old fuel cap gasket is a very common issue. Trouble shoot this first to see if it is leaking pressure.

After 2 hours I checked the pressure and it was still there. I took the gas gap off and all the pressure was released. 

Joseph Durham

ICCC #1954
Looking for bday lantern 10/84

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Hot Diggity
You can do most of your testing by running the burners naked, without mantles.  You should get a nice steady blue flame at low pressure.  If you increase the pressure too much one burner will blow out.  This is normal.  Once you get accustomed to how it should be running without mantles you won't have a need for test mantles.  
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Rubing
If the mantles blow the bottoms out as soon as you light the lantern. Make sure that you have screens in your burner caps. 
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Gavercronos
Find someone local to you and sit down with them and get a hands-on lesson. I see you're from Ohio; there are quite a few seasoned collectors that way, look in the gatherings section here and PM some of the guys who go to the Ohio gatherings and I'm sure you'll find help.
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Gavercronos
Also, on that particular lantern the cleaning lever will be on the back, opposite the valve. Should be in the down position to run.
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JosephDurham

Gavercronos wrote:
Also, on that particular lantern the cleaning lever will be on the back, opposite the valve. Should be in the down position to run.

Yes sir, it was. 

Joseph Durham

ICCC #1954
Looking for bday lantern 10/84

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zoomkat
You might look on youtube for videos like "light Coleman lantern" for a basic light up video.
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JosephDurham
Rubing wrote:
If the mantles blow the bottoms out as soon as you light the lantern. Make sure that you have screens in your burner caps. 

The screens are there. 

Joseph Durham

ICCC #1954
Looking for bday lantern 10/84

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Majicwrench
Can't wait to see pictures of it running. 
Like was said, spin the pricker lever around a few times, this cleans the tip. They plug a LOT when a lantern hasn't been run in a while, that is probably why you don't hear any gurgling. With valve open, spin lever a few times, leave it down, is it gurgling now?
Keith
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MYN
I'd suggest you light it without the mantles until you're certain its ok. A little preheat on the generator tube with a small butane torch would greatly help. Note: The preheat is not supposed to be necessary for this lantern but this is just for a preliminary test. You could only do this with the glass globe removed. Pump it up with a just few strokes, say up to max of 10(you don't want too high a pressure for this) after ensuring the gas tip is clean with the pricker. Remember to lower the needle before you continue. After a little warming up of the generator with the torch, move the flame towards the burners and then open the main valve knob slowly. It need not even have to reach a full quarter turn. It should light up shortly with a clean blue flame. Once its lighted ok, open the valve fully and allow it to self sustain. You can put in a few extra strokes of air if the flame runs weak after a short while and see that it continues to burn without blowing itself out. If it does not light up even with this assisted way, then you'd need to shut it down by closing the valve. Further troubleshooting, perhaps even a strip-down would be necessary.
If its still a 'whoosh' with an easily extinguished flame, there might be some issues with the fuel-air pick up tube inside the fount. These had been known to develop leaks within, whereby too much air gets picked-up with too little fuel with it.
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JosephDurham

So, I took the mantles and the globe off.  I turned the pricier valve a handful of times, I pressurized the tank with 10 pumps, preheated the regulator, turned the knob and you could hear fuel trickle. No flame,  perhaps I didn’t do it correctly this time. So, I closed the knob. Waited a minute.  

I did not repump the tank.  Opened the valve, no sound of fuel at all this time. 

Joseph Durham

ICCC #1954
Looking for bday lantern 10/84

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zoomkat
"turned the knob "

Just curious, do you understand the "1/4 turn open to light" on the fuel control valve knob? I suggest you use a fully pressurized tank to do your testing as that is the way the lantern is designed to work. Also, make sure the fuel tank is full of fuel. Basic starting sequence: fill tank, pressurize the tank, rotate the cleaning lever a couple of times and leave in the down position, put lit lighter/ match in lantern, open fuel valve 1/4 turn open. You should hear mixture of air/gas moving in the lantern, if you don't rotate the cleaning lever a couple of more times. If you don't get a air/fuel mix that ignites after a little while, then more trouble shooting might be required. As you got fire on your first attempt, the fuel supply system is functioning to some extent, so the issue might be the starting method.
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JosephDurham
I did everything you mentioned. The only thing that I did different was the fact that I did not start with a full tank. It’s about 1/2. 

Joseph Durham

ICCC #1954
Looking for bday lantern 10/84

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Encee

When you preheat the generator, you can use a mini-torch that you get for .99 cents at the liquor store. I think most people suggest a larger harbor freight or home depot style, but for this application I’ve had a lot of luck with my cheap over-the-counter mini-torch. Just a quick 10-15 second heat up is enough to get the gas turned to vapor (do this with the valve closed).

Also, I suffered from flooding my lanterns before I truly understood ‘how they work’.

My method after flooding was to let it take a long break to let excess fuel evaporate and then proceed to heat up the generator. In this instance, I’ve actually had the lantern convert the excess fuel to gas and fire up without even opening the valve. Then, just a quick crack of the valve and it will fire up.

Anyways, be careful when trying to troubleshoot and do this in a non-flammable area away from your house because I have had flareups before I figured out the whole deal. Have something like a metal bucket that can cover the lantern if there is a flareup.

In my mind, the startup process has to be done in order. If you miss a step or do something out of order, the fireup will become comprised. My best bet is always to stop or shutdown, wait for a moment, and start over. Thought I’d share my techniques that I’ve learned from the forums being that I’m relatively new being the operator (always had my parents do this stuff for me when I was a kid).


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macwacs
Make sure that you have the correct mantels. I tried using mantels for a propane lantern on a Mil-Spec and blew the bottoms out. Then I read the fine print and discovered that they were wrong. Replaced with the correct mantels and no issues on light up.
 RMW
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zoomkat
"I did everything you mentioned. The only thing that I did different was the fact that I did not start with a full tank. It’s about 1/2. "

It makes a difference when starting the lantern. Due to the design of the fuel pickup system, starting the lantern with only half a tank of gas will result in getting only half the amount of gas/air mix to the generator and mixing chamber when doing the 1/4 valve open start. Fill the tank, then try the startup sequence again and see if you get more fuel and it lights. Starting with a low tank level may require some "flooding" methods to get a sufficient starting mix. Generally speaking, preheating the generator is not needed.. 
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michiganphil

 Opened the valve, no sound of fuel at all this time. 



If you open the valve and no sound of fuel, give the pricker a couple spins (with the valve still open). If still no hiss something is blocked up.

Check out Lantern Lab how to's. Curt is a member here, and makes some great videos.

If it still doesn't light, I would try to light is quicklight style. Open the valve a couple turns quickly, then close it. Then heat the generator, and it should take off. If it does, then the fuel-air tube is gunked up but not completely plugged. If it doesn't light this way, then something is really plugged.

Philip
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Majicwrench
If no hiss/spit...........Yup, spin pricker lever. Tips can plug over and over again, when this issue gets too much a hassle it's time to replace or clean generator
Keith
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Whitegas Extraordinaire

I’ve have spun some prickers 50+ times in the past. 

TY
Kevin

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My current shade is Coleman!!

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JosephDurham


If you open the valve and no sound of fuel, give the pricker a couple spins (with the valve still open). If still no hiss something is blocked up.

Check out Lantern Lab how to's. Curt is a member here, and makes some great videos.

 

If it still doesn't light, I would try to light is quicklight style. Open the valve a couple turns quickly, then close it. Then heat the generator, and it should take off. If it does, then the fuel-air tube is gunked up but not completely plugged. If it doesn't light this way, then something is really plugged.



curts method for lighting in the first video is slightly different then what I did, but appears to be better. I will have to attempt it and see what happens. The 1/4 and shutting off is the difference in this situation. 

Joseph Durham

ICCC #1954
Looking for bday lantern 10/84

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Vintageish
Try not to be disappointed.
It is a used item , and a gas pressure appliance. We're never too old for a puzzle , till we don't know it's a puzzle.
Lots of things can happen when they set a long time.
Till you study it , it could be many things.

Rust , sand, dried mud,dead bugs , ect. can all be getting blown through the tube(s) into your mantles.

Play with enough unknown history's lanterns you'll get some real doozies. (!)

Someone could have run a dirty fuel and your generator is dirty or gummy. Seems like it's trying though , you had it going once.

Whatever is going on , with patience and study you'll get it.

Purty colors. Well , cept'n maybe that brown when it's on fire...
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JosephDurham
Vintageish wrote:
Try not to be disappointed.
It is a used item , and a gas pressure appliance. We're never too old for a puzzle , till we don't know it's a puzzle.
Lots of things can happen when they set a long time.
Till you study it , it could be many things.

Rust , sand, dried mud,dead bugs , ect. can all be getting blown through the tube(s) into your mantles.

Play with enough unknown history's lanterns you'll get some real doozies. (!)

Someone could have run a dirty fuel and your generator is dirty or gummy. Seems like it's trying though , you had it going once.

Whatever is going on , with patience and study you'll get it.



Thank you, I appreciate that!

Joseph Durham

ICCC #1954
Looking for bday lantern 10/84

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Flyboyfwa
Don't get discouraged. Sometimes after you clean them you stir up and break loose a bunch of junk in them. I have had a few that did not want to light after a thorough cleaning. It seems like some just need to "clear their throat" and then will run fine.
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Gunhippie
Back when I taught skiing, I'd tell folks that you aren't learning if you aren't crashing. Same applies here, but since "crashing" implies open flames, do be careful!
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RobSchroff
With the intermittent fuel delivery, I suspect an issue with the fuel-air tube.  
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JosephDurham

Shes burnin’ bright!!!!  Yahooooo!!!  I’m like a kid at Christmas  Hahahaha   I ran to the garage to see the room light up  I even called both of the kids and the mrs  hahaha

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Joseph Durham

ICCC #1954
Looking for bday lantern 10/84

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Majicwrench
🙂 

What was the trick?
Keith
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JosephDurham

Majicwrench wrote:
🙂 

What was the trick?


😂🤣. I’m not certain lol. I paid far more attention this time. I tied new mantles on and got them to a nice white ash. I let it sit for about 10 minutes. I filled her full of gas, pressurized and guess what, no WHOOOOOSSSHHHH!!!!  I placed a flame under the mantle, turned the dial 1/4 turn heard a nice spitting and it took right off. I got so excited I almost forgot to turn the pricier valve. Hahahaha. I turned it several times, pressurized it and sat there and watched her glow. 


I appreciate everyone’s help. I really do!

Joseph Durham

ICCC #1954
Looking for bday lantern 10/84

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Majicwrench
Build shelves.
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Smudge
I'm not familiar with the 220H, but, looks like the experts here have steered you right. Congratulations. Looks like a nice runner, and now you're an expert.
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