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jjlietzke
I been wanting a mil spec lantern, and found an SMP, but the more I read about them, I find that the mil specs seem to be a pain, and the SMP lanterns are not very good as well?  Is this not worth picking up? I’ve been wanting a milspec cause I think they look neat and it would go with my milsurp rifles and my 520 stove, plus the one I found is dated in my birth year, and since I can’t find a month/year bday lantern yet I figured it would be cool to have
-Jeff
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holliswood
They’re not as easy to light as the regular lanterns but I wouldn’t let that stop you. They each have a sweet spot that can be found with trial and error. If you like it, screw what everyone else says. 
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snipesfred on Insta
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66 Indian creek loop
I.ve got two mil-specs, an old Alladdin conversion and a SMP. They are both finnicky and kinda hard to start. but once you figure out what they like they roar like a jetplane and put out a lot of light.. they are pretty simple to work on, lots of info on here about them.. If you want one for a b-day lantern I say go for it. they are real military memorbilia and look good with collections
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macwacs
I am happy with mine. Love to use them and the stoves when in the great outdoors.
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Gand28
I’d say the quality of the later SMPs suffered. If you get it, make sure it’s in decent condition. Paint peels easily and some had painted, Made in Korea vents. 
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rob_pontius
I have 3 SMP mil-specs. One is unfired in the box and the other two run like mad. I personally love them. Depending on the price, I would pick it up and learn how they work. They are different, they can be frustrating until you figure out what they like, but once you figure it out, you'll like it too. They're bright and loud. No sneaking up on anybody with one of those in your hand.
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jjlietzke
Gand28 wrote:
I’d say the quality of the later SMPs suffered. If you get it, make sure it’s in decent condition. Paint peels easily and some had painted, Made in Korea vents. 

i would say this would be a “later” model as I was born in 1982

rob_pontius- you say “depending on price” Being a newbie I only have eBay prices to go by, I don’t have a feel for the pricing yet 
-Jeff
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JimL
I don's know what SMP's of that era normally go for, but look at ebay sold listings and not the asking prices.  It's worth what you're willing to pay, and being your birthday lantern, it wouldn't be out of line to pay extra for that.

-Jim

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rob_pontius
Agreed Jim. The prices seem to be all over the place lately. 
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jjlietzke
Is it technically a birthday lantern if it’s not the month too? Can’t seem to find a 3/82
-Jeff
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mnhogrider
Nothing wrong with a SMP. Once you know how they work and give it a cleaning and a once-over, it’ll start and run fine.
Steve
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JimL
>>Is it technically a birthday lantern if it’s not the month too? Can’t seem to find a 3/82


OK, birth year lantern.  I don't know of any Mil-specs that had the month, only the year.

-Jim

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Gand28
jjlietzke wrote:

i would say this would be a “later” model as I was born in 1982 


Nah, they went to ‘92 IIRC. Those are usually pretty beat if you find them.  You’re still “early”.
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GCinSC
Consider a Mil-spec a worthy challenge and a good addition to any collection. 
Gary, self acclaimed Cast Iron Camp Cook & Tinkerer.
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Mil-SpecOps #0308
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Hot Diggity
I've repaired more SMP Milspec lanterns than any other, not because there was anything wrong with them, but because that's what we had the most of in the supply system.  Marines (and likely all other branches) were hard on these things, using a "More is better" mentality that left most covered with soot and with bent frames and broken quadrant glass from flare-ups and abuse.

It's a slightly different system than the typical Coleman lantern, but with patience and tuning they can really roar!  I appreciated the noise when sleeping in a corner of a communication bunker since it masked the all night radio chatter and other things that went bump in the night.  Nowadays it's nice to sit on the porch and read with one on the lantern stand since it drowns out household noises too.  

They're were like rabbits around here, and every time I found one pair in a transit box a half dozen more would pop up.  Seem to be thinning out in the surplus stores, but still see singles in the box occasionally.

Birth year is a win, and it'll make you smile!
Chuck, 3/61, ICCC 1689
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mikew
Hey, go for it.  Good for you to expand your horizons in this hobby.  Have 4 or 5 and like them.  No big deal once you learn the protocol.  
Mike
"... at evening time, it shall be light." Zechariah 14:7

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Tigerfans2
My SMP runs fine and I don't find them (all milspecs) hard to start only different.
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Chucker
If you have never fettled a Milspec an SMP is probably VERY good to cut your teeth on.

The worst that can happen is you break something, mangle it, or punch a hole through something - then you can use the parts for an earlier Milspec. I own two I think and both run well. 
Chuck
"Stop being angry, and forget about getting back at people; do not worry -- it only causes harm." Ps. 37:8
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Northman49
I just  fettled an SMP, my first one. Managed to destroy the original generator by applying too much preheat (don't ask). Fabricated a new one using brake tubing and now it runs fine. BTW...the parts container is original and never removed. What can I expect to find in there, as I would rather leave what's in there? It's an '84.
She was only a moonshiner's daughter, but I loved her still.

I keep my tools sharp...but my mind sharper!
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Gand28
Northman49 wrote:
BTW...the parts container is original and never removed. What can I expect to find in there, as I would rather leave what's in there? It's an '84.


Most all mil-specs had the same spares list.  I think this continued even through the SMP production:

wrench with mounted pricker tool
spare pricker tool
spare pump leather
spare valve packing
6 mantles
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Chucker
Northman49 wrote:
I... BTW...the parts container is original and never removed. What can I expect to find in there, as I would rather leave what's in there? It's an '84.


Off the top of my head; leather pump cup, six spare mantles, pricker tool, spare graphite packing (although at some point these were discontinued), and maybe a spare fuel cap gasket. 
Chuck
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fuel brained
I have an 1982 SMP. I use it in high winds and rain. It seems to be bullet proof.
Pastor Jeff
God said "Let there be light" so He let His Son shine.
SoCal and Lovin' It
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74HARLEY
The biggest issue with the SMP'S ( my opinion) is the finish really suffered in the '80's, weak paint on the fount and painted vents. You can always repaint the fount and find a porcelain vent pretty cheap. Get it and have fun!
Joe
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Frank6160
I've owned several. All ran great. To me no worse to light than any other make. As stated finish suffered on many but the ones I had were fine. I'd go for it. 
Frank
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mikew
Seems I remember my SMP 85 having a very small washer on top of the F/A metering rod where it enters the valve.  Non of my other milspecs have this.  Also my SMP valve threads were not cut correctly when made.  The valve would only turn into the fount bung about two rounds.  Replaced the SMP valve & F/A tube assembly with one from a regular 220D-F type. Problem solved.  
Mike
"... at evening time, it shall be light." Zechariah 14:7

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Chucker
Thank you for posting that Mike. A few years ago I found an SMP wouldn't let me thread it more than a couple of turns into the fount. I thought I was doing something wrong but I used some thread lock on and called it good. Ran fine after that but it made me a little uneasy. I may have to re-visit that SMP.
Chuck
"Stop being angry, and forget about getting back at people; do not worry -- it only causes harm." Ps. 37:8
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Murff
S.M.P. = S#!++y Made Product?

Murff

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Chucker
Murff wrote:
S.M.P. = S#!++y Made Product?

Murff


Ha! You and Dean - guess not everyone can like them. 
Chuck
"Stop being angry, and forget about getting back at people; do not worry -- it only causes harm." Ps. 37:8
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Gand28
We’ll that was what I meant about quality issues. Some problems with valves and the typical Coleman parts don’t always mate right. Better to change out the entire valve with a good Coleman one. 
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jjlietzke
thanks for all the info guys, ill let you know if i get it
-Jeff
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jjlietzke
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-Jeff
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rob_pontius
That one looks to be in fine condition. It looks a lot better than most. Great score there.
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JimL
Unfired?  Your birthday lantern?  Congrats!  Now go find a user.  Not that you'd ever want to sell this one, but once fired, it'll lose a lot of value.

-Jim

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jjlietzke
I was wondering if it was Unfired or not but I couldn’t tell, I thought I read where the pink top mantles were the original issue mantles, but I guess I just figured since the stuff in the storage compartment was gone and I think I smell a faint smell of fuel that it had been fired before
-Jeff
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GCinSC
Jeff,

Any chance for a shot of the fitting that the gen nut attaches to? Maybe take a quad off and shoot the area from the wing nut to the gen nut.

That's a nice one.

Gary
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jjlietzke
after further inspection, in my newbie eyes, it appears it has been fired at least once, tank smells faintly of old fuel, it is dry though and in great shape. heres the pics requested, one of the quad glass does have a chip at the top of it.  I seen where some quad glass was marked with US and numbers, did this stop after a certain date?  or are mine all replacements? also i removed the funnel while im messing with it so it wouldnt keep scratching the paint, the seller had it wrapped separately in bubble wrap, some people DO get it.
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-Jeff
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Chucker
I'd say it looks like it has at least been tested. 
Chuck
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GCinSC
Jim,

Thanks for the closeup of the Mil-Spec. The fitting, can you tell is that white sealant or Teflon tape on the threads?

No matter, that's a fine example nice condition.

Gary
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Gand28
Never had Teflon tape originally so someone has had it apart. The plain quad glass is original to the SMP. I’d have to look in the book to figure out when the etched glass stopped, but sometime in the early 70’s I believe. 

Light it up. You can’t hurt it!
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JimL
I was assuming unfixed because the vent paint is still so nice.  Personally, I’d still be reluctant to use it.  They don’t come along that nice very often.

-Jim

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jjlietzke
i wondered about the teflon looking sealant, however it looks like sealant, not tape, but i could be wrong.  Should i disassemble and remedy this?  also should i try to get this mantle off and save it, or just burn it?  Any harm  in using that piece of quad glass as-is or should i try and find a replacement, and if so where would i find one?   Also would like to at least get the tools to put back in the storage compartment, but ive never seen them so i dont know what im looking for.  I dont plan on running it a lot, probably hang it in my mancave on display and fire it up on my birthday since i cant find my true 3/82 birthday lantern yet
-Jeff
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scl
never any issues with mine, i would get one.
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Chucker
Some of those didn't let the user thread the 45 deg. fitting on only a few turns. It's a judgement call. 

Burn the mantle. Quad glass is tough stuff. If you want it to look more like a Shelf Queen, sure replace it. 

Parts well contents: Leather pump cup, pricker tool, fuel cap gasket, 6 mantles, and sometimes a graphite packing. 
Chuck
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macwacs
That is way to nice to burn, I would get another for a user. Guess that's why I have four for use.
The chipped quad is no biggie  they hold up good. I have one that I glued together and it is still going with out any issues. The dated ones were discontinued in the early 60's and are kind of scarce.
 As far as the spare parts go check out OCP under 252 lantern parts first then the Epay. Other than a pump leather, spare mantels and the wrench with picker plus an extra picker there is not much else to go in there. In the original boxes there were usually two spare generators that's it.
 When I found my first one it had been cannibalized missing the pump, fuel cap and funnel but there were a dozen generators in the box with a spare air tube.
RMW
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GCinSC
Jeff,

I've only worked on about 6-7 Mil-Specs so some experience but not expert status for sure. Each one has it's own personality. 

That fitting that the GEN nut attaches to has straight threads into the valve body, not tapered like the valve body to fount. It needs a sealant with locking properties so it will not leak and only rotate when a wrench is put to it. And at manufacturing there would be no reason to put sealant on the wingnut area. I experimented with a non locking sealant and didn't like the results. There is a big list of sealants on the forum somewhere but I started using Permatex Seal + Lock 57535. It claims locking and sealing qualities. Got it at a local auto parts store. So far, so good.  

If you take the gen off, loosen the wing nut and carefully remove the air tube and set it aside. Now carefully put a wrench on the fitting, if it rotates EASILY that's not what I'd want to see. It should put up a fight to some degree. 

If that one is going to be the show Mil-Spec find one you have to really get into and enjoy the challenge. 

That chipped quad, put the chipped end down if you want. 

When I light one I'm almost expecting to see a controlled flare and me bring it to life kinda like an old cold hand choke carb engine. When it starts to roar, oh yeah.

Please consider other opinions.

Gary 
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Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate #0154
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mnhogrider
Fire it up! The chipped glass isn’t going to matter. Use the mantle that’s on it. You’ll need a cap gasket, oil the pump leather, flush the fount and generator with fresh CF. 
Steve
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jjlietzke
can someone post a pic of the wrench and the extra picker please?  ive never seen one.  wow so many opinions to either Fire or not fire.  I think for right now I may just hang it on the hook in the corner of my mancave where i always had a 220F, and see if I can find another to mess with for a decent price.  maybe someday i'll fire it but i think for right now i may just leave it as-is.
-Jeff
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Chuck
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