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Jdj2010
Does anyone know anything about this lantern?  I can’t seem to get it to light.  It pressurizes fine, but doesn’t seem like fuel is coming out at all.  Don’t hear any noise when I open the valve.  Thanks. 
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Phredd
Have you worked on it at all?  Could be a plugged fuel pickup, or a plugged generator.  I would start with the gen ... take it off and see if fuel comes out of the top of the cleaner assembly.  
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Jdj2010
I tried to take the generator assembly off.  I can’t figure out how to take it apart.  Maybe I’ll try again.  I’m afraid I’m going to break it as I have no knowledge of how these things work.  Is there a good tutorial I can use to gain some knowledge on it?
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Gand28
Do some reading before you pick up a wrench. 

http://www.oldcolemanparts.com/resources/re_2lant.php

Search “Lantern Lab” on YouTube for some good videos made by a member. 
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Phredd
Your Sears is at heart a Coleman 220F.  Try this link.

https://www.oldcolemanparts.com/resources/re_2lant_a.php
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Jdj2010
Awesome thanks.  I did get it apart.  Looks like there are cobwebs etc in the larger tube.  Fuel come out the bottom with the smaller tube detached.  I’m going to put a compressor to the parts and see if it helps.
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JimL
A compressor won't do a good job of removing spider webs.  You need to ream the air tube out.   If you're getting air through the generator, I to think you need to pull the valve assembly and clean the F/A tube in the fount below the valve.  Most definitely read up on disassembly.  If you wrench on the valve and the tool slips without the tip cleaner installed, you could destroy it.

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Jdj2010
Ok, reinstalled the first thin tube with the pin hole at the top (not sure what that’s called), it appears that part is clogged.  How do I get it cleared so fuel comes out the top?
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Phredd
JimL is correct. As long as you are taking it apart do it all at the same time. 

Also - make sure the fuel in the tank is clean.  I would empty it into a glass jar to see.  If it is cloudy or full of particles you need to clean the fount.

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Jdj2010
Brake cleaner to clean the valve out?
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Jdj2010
Isn’t the rod supposed to move within the tube because it’s not moving at all?  And I can’t remove it either.  Cleaned it with brake cleaner and still nothing coming out the top.
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JimL
Just to clarify, you don't mean the highlighted piece below do you?  This is the eccentric and stays in the valve.  There's a cleaning rod inside the generator tube which is attached to the eccentric upon reassembly, and moves up and down with the eccentric when you turn the tip cleaner.  Regardless, you will need to remove that eccentric from the generator.

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Jdj2010
Yes, sorry, I’m learning the terminology.  The tip cleaner rod does not seem to move up and down.  I tried pushing and pulling on the eccentric and it doesn’t move.  Isn’t that what that handle does, move the tip cleaner rod up and down?
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Gand28
Grab it and pull. The little tube you are talking about is the generator. If it is that plugged up, for $11 get a new one. Part number 220E5891 is what you need.

http://www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=133&cat=&page=1
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campinut
You can also boil some vinegar and let it sit in it, overnight. This should free it up but be careful not breaking off tip vleaner wire ehen reinserting..campinut..
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JimL
You've already removed the generator tip, so when you get the innards of the generator out,  look through it for a fine mesh screen.  If there's on in there, remove it and throw it away.  It's not needed and Coleman stopped using them many years ago.  By leaving it in, you run the risk of damaging the tip cleaning wire.

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Chucker
You're coming along. Just be sure to watch the video's or look at the tutorial on how to tear the 2 mantle lantern down. Take it slow, you're half way there.

I agree, if a generator is that frozen up - you want a new one. Even if you get it freed up it's going to be tough to make it run well right now. 
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Jdj2010
Thanks all.  I believe the generator is seized.  I’m going to soak it in brake cleaner overnight.  If that doesn’t work, I’ll try buying a new generator.
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JimL
I would not expect brake cleaner to do anything to free up the eccentric.  If anything, apply a little oil to work it's way in to the jammed eccentric.  You need to get that eccentric out, period.  With it in that far, the tip cleaning rod may very be already trashed.  With any luck, the rod wasn't attached and is merely jammed beside the eccentric, preventing its easy removal.

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Gand28
Carb cleaner at a minimum. Acetone works pretty well too on carbon. Brake cleaner, not so much in my experience. 
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Jdj2010
It worked, the eccentric came out. BC551AE6-523E-4952-82E2-6E1FF3B58028.jpeg 
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Jdj2010
Reattached and fuel is coming out of the generator!
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Gand28
Looks like the pricker wire at the end of the little rod is bent or gone. I think you need a new generator. 
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JimL
I can't tell from the picture if the pricker wire is there and bunched up or missing.  If bunched up, there's a possibility of straightening it out using a fingernail and working it out on a flat surface.  If you use a tool and pull on it the slightest, that wire will snap right off.  It may do that anyway.

Regardless of whether you could straighten it, you'll want to get a spare generator or two anyway.  In the meantime, you can still try to fire up that lantern.  It's just that when the tip clogs, you won't be able to clean it with the tip cleaning lever.  Plus, having pulled it apart, any debris or carbon may have knocked loose and will quickly plug the tip.  It's just a matter of how impatient you are to light it.  🙂

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Jdj2010
I was wondering if that little wire was important.  So I understand I want to try to straighten it up.  What exactly does that do or what is it’s purpose?  
The fuel is spraying out the top like a water fountain.  That’s what it should be doing, correct?  And I understand that I will need to heat the generator with a lighter so that the fuel will atomize, correct?
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Jdj2010
Got it all put back together, but I pumped it up and turned on the gas, and don’t see anything coming from the mantle mounts.  What am I doing wrong?
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JimL
That tip cleaning wire is to clean the orifice in the tip of the generator (arrow pointed to it).

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When you open the valve a quarter-turn, you'll get a mist of fuel and air (providing the F/A tube is clean).  You want to be ready with a match or lighter when you turn the fuel on.  It can take upwards of 30 seconds the first time you light it after everything's been drained and cleaned.  If you wait to see fuel dripping, be prepared for an exciting ball of fire.  Don't panic, just expect it if you wait to light it up.  I also suggest you remove the globe for this first light-up.

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Jdj2010
Ok, I Open the valve with just the generator installed, and a spray of fuel comes out the top and then it stops after about 2 seconds.  Is this normal, or does it sound like the generator tip is clogged?
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JimL
Not normal.  You can try straightening the tip wire, but will still want to buy a replacement generator and some spares.  While at it, get some mantles from our host.  He carries Peerless, which most people like.  Most consider the 2C-HG to be the same as a Coleman #21 mantle.  It's actually around 30% bigger but will work just fine.

I'd also consider getting a generator for a Coleman 200/200A.  You're likely to run across one of these single mantle lanterns soon.

Lastly, don't toss the old generator.  You may someday want toearn how to rebuild them, includind making new tip cleaning rods.

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Jdj2010
Thanks Jim.
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BSAGuy
Welcome, Jdj.  Looks like you are making progress.
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Jdj2010
While I’ve got y’alls attention 😀, this is my next project...can someone please tell me how to get the top off this one?  I removed the nut on the top, but the handles run through the top and prevent removal.  Is there a way to remove the handles?
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A50Chris
Flip the bail back and forth from one side to the other several times then grab each side and pull the bail ends out of ventilator horizontally.
Sometimes they tend to stick due to rust.  You might want to have someone hold the tank so the lantern does not tip over in the process.
You could try some spray penetrant before pulling.
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JimL
Good advice by Chris.  If you find you're able to get one side out and the other is still being difficult, go ahead and pull the easy side out, put a rag at the bail end so it doesn't scratch the vent, and then work the difficult side out.

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Jdj2010
Thanks.  And can I burn white gas in this lantern, as I believe it is a kero lantern?
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Gand28
You can run CF in any kero lantern but need to preheat first. Please be careful. 
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Jdj2010
Sounds like I should stick to kero.😀
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JimL
When I use my 639 regularly, I use kero.  When it's going to be stored or not used very much, such as in the winter, I run it on CF.  The reason for the CF is that it has preservatives and won't go bad.  I don't know about others, but I find the 639 to run just as well on CF as it does kero.  Normally, kero needs a smaller jet/tip orifice.

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A50Chris
The Coleman 237 and 237A will run on either Coleman fuel or kerosene so long as you preheat with alcohol.
Coleman fuel will run cleaner and it will be a lot longer before the generator clogs.  Forum member have reported varying results with kerosene depending upon what they find in their area of the country; some brands burn cleaner than others.  If you have access to kerosene which is less expensive than Coleman fuel that may be an incentive to try it.  It would be worth checking the generator internals after 10 hours use with kerosene to see if you need to clean more or less often.  The 237 and A use Coleman 1111 mantles or equivalent (500 cp) but you can test fire it with regular 21 A mantles.
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Chucker
When I'm fettling those 639 kero's I do use Coleman fuel to test it for leaks, maybe a couple of cups in the fount. CF cleans up so much better and doesn't leave that kero stank all around. Once I have the bugs figured out - I run kero or a kero/cf blend in that. 

Like Jim above I also run straight CF in my 639's sometimes as the generator won't clog so fast.

When my wife and I went camping this past June and it got down to 39 deg. F. in the mornings I'd fire up the 639 for light and heat - 100% kero since it doesn't bother my wife's sniffer. 
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Jdj2010
So the 237a seems to work good.  Took it apart and the innards on the generator look great.  Tried out the generator by itself with a nice steady stream out the top.  Attached back to the burner assembly, and kero came out of the mantle mount good when tested.  But it is leaking from the top of the generator where it fits into the burner assembly.  There’s not a gasket or something that’s missing up there is there?  Or is there something I can adjust to prevent the leak?
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Mister Wilson
When you tested the generator without the burner assembly attached, that was a good way to see if the generator is passing fuel as it should, and it sounds like it did.  Once you put the burner assembly on, you don’t want to open the valve and let raw fuel squirt up inside.  If it was coming out of the burner tube/cap, you have a lot of fuel inside the chamber.  That’s why it’s leaking from where the generator enters it.  The liquid fuel gets heated and changes to gas when it passes through the hot generator before it enters the burner (thus the need for preheat).  Before you attempt to light the lantern, I suggest you remove the burner again and blow it out to remove as much of the excess fuel as you can.
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Jdj2010
Looking at the parts diagram, looks like there should be a jam nut there?
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Mister Wilson
Jam nut where? There is a hex headed insert in the casting that the generator tip fits into, but there is no seal or gasket.
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Jdj2010
Ok that makes sense.  I must have looked at the diagram wrong (it’s a little blurry).  Thanks
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Chucker
No jamb nut where the gen fits into the burner assy. 

You pre-heat the gen to keep raw fuel from flowing down from the top. Did you run a bore brush or something up inside the burner assy in every orifice to make sure they are clear?

NOTE: Almost looks like the gen is too low for the burner assy. Is it possible a washer was under the burner frame where the wing nut/hex nut is in the middle? It may not be too low but I had to ask. 
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