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BSAGuy
I saw this lantern on CraigsList.  Was tempted, then learned here that a ribbed base on a 220H is very uncommon. Met the son of the original owner on Saturday night and exchanged $30 for the lantern. Manufacture date of 6/72 on the fount.

It is in great shape with just 3-4 rust spots on the inside of the base.  Used very little.

Came with original box and instructions for use.  Purchased from Rose's (a local department store) for $12.97.  Owner was from Clemmons, NC if you all are tracking where these turn up.

See pics below.  Couldn't get stupid Photobucket to allow me to log on.  I have tried 6-8 times and it keeps kicking me to the log-on screen.  I opened an account with Imgur. 

Also got a pretty rusty 200A (8/66) from another listing for $20.  Had a lot of fun using citric acid to clean it up.  This was my first time with citric acid.

Haven't lit either of them yet.


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coleman54
That is a good find Courtenay. There are only a few of these around Congratulations.
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xoleagleye
Very great find. Hope you get your pictures to work. Like they say no pictures, didn't happen. I would like to see your the box. I have one also plus the box. Only three known to exist as of right now.
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sailman
That's up in my father-in-law's neck of the woods I'll have to get on him he's not been looking for me like he should. Good find.
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Let's see if Imgur works any better:



















 

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xoleagleye
That's it for sure! Exact box and paperwork that came with mine!! The box is worth more than the lantern in my opinion. You might email Terry Marsh with your pictures so he can input the data for these. Super great find!!!
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coleman54
That's great it has all the right stuff.
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Thanks, Kameron.  I already emailed Terry.  When I stumbled across the CL listing, I searched for 200H here and found your post.

Lantern and especially box matched what the seller had.  That is what inspired me to go get the lantern.

Stupid question (my forte) -  why are there so few of these around? 

olealgeye wrote:
That's it for sure! Exact box and paperwork that came with mine!! The box is worth more than the lantern in my opinion. You might email Terry Marsh with your pictures so he can input the data for these. Super great find!!!
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gelane


That's a nice one !

I was reading, thinking what an idiot you are, until I realized it was on of my earlier posts !

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xoleagleye
Many will say they were employee take home lanterns, but that got busted when I was able to prove that I had the original box for them. My belief is they were just a very short prototype that didn't go thru. Just like my prototype 220G or the 220G itself! Experimental runs. Hold on to it unless you need the cash but make sure you get what you want for it. They are priceless in my eyes! Harder to find then an Arc Lantern by far.
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dpatten
These seem to be a bit further advanced than prototype stage, particularly since they have fully developed literature and boxing. Maybe a limited run in a small geographic area for testing purposes.  The Rose's store price sticker would seem to bear that out.


It is curious why Coleman went back to the 220F for 6-9 months after making these.  It would be edifying to see a comparison of the valve between this and the later printed collar version.  The ribbed collar is so much better looking than the printed collar.

Either way, I'm jealous.  
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xoleagleye
Dennis, the four known to exist majority came from the southern eastern states. One in Wichita, Kansas. The literature found with the only two that have the original box is for both the 220/228F and 220/228H models, mine dated 6-72. Proving that the lanterns were a production item. As for the original boxes, they wouldn't produce a box if they didn't plan on making this a production model. Why haven't many been found, we can only wonder. These short runs go just like the prototype 220G's that have be found and have the 6/64 and 7/64 date codes that were made way before the 220G model date of 8/69.

Here is where these four have been found:

olealgeye: Florida
coleman54: Kansas
Lanternman: Alabama
BSAGuy: North Carolina
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Kameron,

Four is really too small a sample size to say WHERE they were released.  It's possible that they were also released to a single retailer or distributor, who distributed them more broadly.  It's possible that they were also distributed more widely by people moving. Your list of found locations would lead me to strongly believe it was a Southeastern thing though.

As to the box and literature, Have we seen any extant 220G boxes or literature?  I'm not aware of any.  The 220G's also typically have a notation on them telling you to contact Coleman with problems.  That's the sort of thing you see on a prototype.  To my knowledge, There's nothing of the sort on any of the ribbed H's that show up. I believe all the G's have been located in close proximity to Kansas.

The Rose's price tag is an indicator, to me at least, that this was possibly a market test. 

Then again, this is all supposition.  Without evidence in the form of shipping records or correspondence, we're all just whistling in the wind!

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I am very much a rookie at this, but I find the geographic dispersion interesting.  You would think that to tun the factory efficiently, they would have had to make a solid run of H lanterns with the ribbed collar as well as the boxes as Kameron has noted.

If that is the case, it also follows that these new boxed lanterns would have been shipped to the same retailer.

Pure, rampant speculation on my part. 

 
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Junkboy999
Here is something to look at. Coleman had a law suite put on them for a Man that burned his arm pretty baldy.  From what I can figure out, the guy was trying to refill his stove with fuel because it was starting to die,  He opens up the gas tank while the tank was still connected and Boom. The man bought the stove second hand and did not have the manuals.  Coleman was sued for the man stupidity.  That how it goes.  Not sure how it all ended or if there was a settlement, but that is around the time Coleman started to put lighting directions on the stoves, placing the fuel knobs on the back side of the tank and started to print the instructions with silkscreen on the lanterns collars 220h/228h. This was the early 70's

At the Estate sale where I got the 220G, ( former Coleman engineer ) there was a newspaper clipping from the personnel add section.  This add, circled and cut out of a local Wichita paper was placed by a law firm looking for any information and a guy named R.... M....  Not sure how the effected Mr. R.M. but the clipping was in cased in epoxy resin, cut and polished and placed on a small wood plaque so it could be immortalize.

The law suite is one reason I think the 220G did not roll out. It had a None re-tune valve. Not the standard check valve and a positive locking pump handle. This can all so explain the last of the Ribbed collars and the new printed one.

My take on it, yours may vary lol  


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That's an interesting theory Terry.  The only flaw I see is that, they went back to the regular ribbed collar on the 220F for 6 months before coming out with the screen printed collar H models.  When did the printed collars show up on the 200A?
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xoleagleye
From what I have been able to find about these ribbed base rest 220H's is that they were just a transitional model as the late 1963 220/228 Model E's and F's were produced. They have been found with literature and boxes also. The paperwork that I have for the 220/228H, that is dated 6-72 shows the base rest being smooth black blocked on front, not ribbed.
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olealgeye wrote:
From what I have been able to find about these ribbed base rest 220H's is that they were just a transitional model as the late 1963 220/228 Model E's and F's were produced. They have been found with literature and boxes also. The paperwork that I have for the 220/228H, that is dated 6-72 shows the base rest being smooth black blocked on front, not ribbed.


Which still begs the question, why did they then go back to making "F" models?  They didn't go back to the steel Dot-Dash collar once they'd switched on the Tranny E's.

The logistics of the thing are what make me curious.  Coleman almost certainly only had one line making two mantle lanterns.  Why would they switch and then switch back?  It would be interesting to see what the dates of the Sears two mantles in this time frame are and see if they intermesh.

I wonder if they made a short run of  "H" models, switched to Sears lanterns briefly for a contract from Sears and then had to go back to "F" Models because of parts availability for H models.

The reason I'm interested is that both mine and my wife's birthdate falls into the mid 1972-early 1973 time range.  

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coleman54
And what about Gold Bonds in this era ?

Here's a red flag.

Thank you Dan, for this information. Click image for larger version - Name: image.jpeg, Views: 925, Size: 114.64 KB
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Two things to add to this thread for reference, the standard Model F production didn't stop during the months of these early experimental stamped model F in 1964 and ribbed collar H dated 6/72. As shown in my previous post referencing the Gold Bond , also many examples of the standard green model F date stamped 6/72 show up regularly on the bay.

Adding to the list of ribbed collar 220 H dated 6/72
I have two in my collection.

For those not aware the tip cleaner on the ribbed H is located at the rear of the collar, not to the side like model G or model F experimentals. Click image for larger version - Name: IMG_8011.jpg, Views: 713, Size: 129.02 KB
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BSAGuy
Thanks for the update and info, Larry.  I have the following count for these ribbed base 220H's based on this thread and others here.
  • olealgeye: Florida - with box & papers
  • coleman54: Kansas - reporting 2 - no boxes or papers
  • Lanternman: Alabama - no box or papers
  • BSAGuy: North Carolina - with  box and papers
  • Streatsboy: Tennessee - found painted red by a prior owner, no box or papers
  • Slab Slayer Bill: California - cited in a thread 10/20/18, but no photo proof provided 
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BSAGuy wrote:
Thanks for the update and info, Larry.  I have the following count for these ribbed base 220H's based on this thread and others here.
  • olealgeye: Florida - with box & papers
  • coleman54: Kansas - reporting 2 - no boxes or papers
  • Lanternman: Alabama - no box or papers
  • BSAGuy: North Carolina - with  box and papers
  • Streatsboy: Tennessee - found painted red by a prior owner, no box or papers
  • Slab Slayer Bill: California - cited in a thread 10/20/18, but no photo proof provided 



For the record here are my two examples, one of these I have had for several years and displayed it on the forum here in 2014. It was the inspiration for others to search out more examples including the one on the Terry Marsh website.
At that time many thought it was a fluke that some employee must have made up. When Kameron searched out his with the box and paper I encouraged him to contact Terry with the proof of this being a true production run. Click image for larger version - Name: IMG_8015.jpg, Views: 705, Size: 124.83 KB
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kenmack
Add me to the list.  This 6-72 was found in northern Alabama.

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BSAGuy
Nice, Ken.  Congrats.  Steve found his at a flea market in Albertville.  Is that close to you?  When did you score yours?
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kenmack
Albertville is about 30 minutes away.  I've visited Steve once before.  I found this lantern Monday, 10/29/18.
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kenmack
So, we have seven proven to exist with one more possible. 

[sFun_mischieviousbig] Hmm, more rare than a Gold Bond.
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And more rare than an Arc.
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pateco
I am checking on my way home, But I think I have one of these bought at a yard sale in Northern Florida.
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pateco
Checked, it's a 228
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pateco wrote:
Checked, it's a 228


228H with a ribbed collar?
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BSAGuy
If that is a 228H with a ribbed collar, please post some pics, Chip.  What is the date on the fount?
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pateco
BSAGuy wrote:
If that is a 228H with a ribbed collar, please post some pics, Chip.  What is the date on the fount?


I'll try to take some pics next time I'm at my storage unit.

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I just found one today. Looked like an F with a broken globe. For some reason I picked it up and looked at it. The ribbed collar says 220H. Click image for larger version - Name: 20190513_140839-600x800.jpg, Views: 442, Size: 137.42 KB Click image for larger version - Name: 20190513_140900-800x600.jpg, Views: 434, Size: 50.88 KB Click image for larger version - Name: 20190513_131247-600x800.jpg, Views: 432, Size: 157.94 KB
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Colemannut
Very nice find Andy. Now you are part of the Model H Ribbed Base Rest Club.
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Jesse
I am traveling but I will have to check when I get home. I just this past weekend gave my mom my 220E to use and swapped her for a 220H with a ribbed base that my dad and I accidentally killed in attempting a repair years ago. My dad crunched the brass fitting that the valve screws into when we were trying to repack the valve. I gave my mom my 220 and the globes from both lanterns and took the 220H fount, bale and cage, base and misc parts home with me. So I might have one! Minus globe ha-ha. Also have the paperwork.
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BSAGuy
Very well done, Andy.  Nice score.  Where did you find that?  In Indiana?  I try to keep track of where these turn up.

Show us some ics of yours, Jesse.  Where did you find it?
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Flyboyfwa
You are correct. I found it up here in Indiana.
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Jesse
My mistake, I have a ribbed 220F not H. False alarm!
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bandaide
All very interesting. I guess people will start paying more attention to those lonely old 220's laying around.
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ecblanks
BSAGuy wrote:
Very well done, Andy.  Nice score.  Where did you find that?  In Indiana?  I try to keep track of where these turn up.

What's the rough count up to?
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ecblanks wrote:

What's the rough count up to?


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bandaide
Did pateco ever confirm the 228H?
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coleman54
No pic, no proof, no happen !
there have been claims of these in the past on other threads that were later revealed as
model F. 
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BSAGuy
Larry beat me to it.  pateco referred to it twice, but last reference was to him going by to check his storage unit (6+ months ago).  I'd say it doesn't exist.
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bandaide
I agree with the no picture no proof, I was just wondering if he had put it up somewhere else and I missed it.  Just thought it would be odd for Coleman to have made a run of both lanterns and then pulled them right back and change production. That sounds expensive.
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bandaide wrote:
I agree with the no picture no proof, I was just wondering if he had put it up somewhere else and I missed it.  Just thought it would be odd for Coleman to have made a run of both lanterns and then pulled them right back and change production. That sounds expensive.


It would not be expensive because the tooling for the stamping on the collar was already available. The date stamped 6/72 on these ribbed collar 220H, research shows that the standard 220F/228F and Gold Bond 228F were continually being produced during the same time. 
There has been conversation here and documents mentioned in the past concerning another lawsuit in this particular time frame against Coleman that may have brought about a change in labeling instructions and caution on the lantern itself : hence a new type collar debuted for the model H six months later that was also used for later models J and K.
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BSAGuy
There is also a member called Slab Slayer Bill in California who has claimed a ribbed base 220H, but not shared pictures..

His post is in this thread: http://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/post/a-rare-h-9888928?pid=1305878953
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Colemanut just pointed out to me that a pristine, unfired ribbed base 220H in box with papers just sold on eBay earlier today for $182.50 + shipping.  Seller must have been surprised.  His description made no mention of the rarity.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-COLEMAN-LANTERN-220H-in-Original-Box-Never-Used-/202685411957?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true
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bridd
Add me to the ribbed 220H club. Well used and Not pristine by any means. Found at an estate sale in Wichita and previous owner was heavily into cast iron, scouting and backpacking. BA10C213-39A1-48D6-B05D-6C013E77AB16.jpeg  78F28BCA-1C57-4291-971B-2130F2458305.jpeg  64A81669-1FAE-415A-8B6D-AE644639B452.jpeg  14829FBF-3C4B-42B5-AC4E-8C1522435F93.jpeg 
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Bingo!  Well done, Bart.  That makes 8 with photo documentation.  Quite a haul with the other stuff, too.
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