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salukispeed
I know this is an old and beat to death question regarding the operation of the schrader valve lanterns like the 288. Is there agreed type  for a good schrader replacement. I see mike has entire valves with everything. I have a 288 that is clean and works well but does not completely shut off for 4-5 minutes and at times even more, and if left with pressure for days it eventually has liquid on the generator and flames on start up unless preheated like a QL type. I am sure the schrader must be leaking ever so slightly, Refrigeration or automobile fuel injection types seem a logical choice.  When i did fettle this lantern the schrader was not even finger tight but a gentle snug did not make it much better. I need to make another order from OCP and will add a valve if necessary but seems a cheaper way is likely
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Bob
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Chucker
" I see mike has entire valves with everything..." Mike also sells just the Schrader valve core if that's what you want. Cheap, cheap BUT I don't see any on his website right now.
Chuck
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JimL
Sounds like the valve is working just fine, so I wouldn't replace it.   If Mike has it, you may want to order the fuel tube with Schrader as they are only around a buck more than just the Schrader.  If the lantern is taking that long to shut off, likely the Schrader isn't screwed down far enough.  Also, if a Schrader is up too high, it can prevent a lantern from reaching full brightness since it doesn't have enough travel to be fully depressed.

-Jim

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zoomkat

"I have a 288 that is clean and works well but does not completely shut off for 4-5 minutes and at times even more, and if left with pressure for days it eventually has liquid on the generator and flames on start up unless preheated like a QL type."

If there is indication of fuel leakage after shut down, then the Schrader core may be leaking, either the core poppet, or the core seal ring. In the short term, I'd just go to the auto sore and get some tire cores to try. Per the patent description, a tire type of core is used.

"The fuel inlet assembly 21 is screwed into the lower end of the tube 25, and a conventional tire valve core 30 is screwed into the internally threaded upper end of the fuel passage 31 through the inlet assembly.

 

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salukispeed
Brightness seems to be good and the pricker controls and works well.  I took the generator off and after several hours with pressure there appears to be fuel at the top of the fitting after blowing it out. I will contact OCP and see what he offers besides the entire valve
Bob
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Chucker
Some have used fuel line Schrader's. Not sure what mfr. 
Chuck
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holliswood
Not sure if they’d get approval here but I bought a package of 30 ac schrader valves for around $6 at a auto parts store. 
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Chucker
A/C Schrader's have some oil resistance but not sure about standing in CF. They have to physically fit that fuel tube too. 
Chuck
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zoomkat
Schrader valve core types.

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salukispeed
AS an experiment I compared and test fit a tire and a Refrigeration schrader and while I had it apart only saw tiny differences in stem height and spring return pressure and I know that is important  . After I check with OCP I I would error on the side of Fuel or Refrigeration ones and leave the tire one out for now . Thanks for the help and suggestions. 
Bob
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zoomkat
What is the color of the valve core seal ring that is supplied in the lantern from the factory?
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salukispeed
I would have to look more closely at the color but it was very dark and likely black or dark brown ( From memory ) ???????
Bob
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JimL
On OCP, it’s called a feed tube, but I don’t see one for your lantern at the moment.

Did you try snuggling up the Schrader a little more to see if that stops the leaking?  If that isn’t enough, you might also try unscrewing the feed tube from the valve just a smidgen.

I’m not suggesting that you don’t replace the Schrader, but just to confirm the issue.

-Jim

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salukispeed
Thanks Jim.  I also did not see anything beyond a complete valve assembly at OCP at the Moment  .I did try snugging the valve but did not back the tube off at all. 
Bob
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Dmacp
I bought a Schrader valve from Mike for a friend's turd that I fixed. when tightened down it restricted the air flow. I had to back it out a turn to get decent flow. Sounds like Bob's problem is just the opposite. Perhaps it's dirty. It needs to be cleaned or replaced. Make sure it works when you replace it.
Dan
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salukispeed
I ended up with a fuel injection fuel rail Schrader  and it seems to be working ok. Still can take 3 minutes to die but I do not seem to have fuel coming up to the generator after replacing it and goes full bright and shuts off so I am good to go for now ,or until next time???
Bob
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Chucker
Good to go. If it were a 275 - wait, what is this lantern anyway? In your first post you say "like the 288"???? 
Chuck
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salukispeed
As you mentioned The lantern is a 288 from 87 if memory serves me
Bob
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Cigar_Mike
The Schrader, (Coleman called it a valve core) has been discontinued and I can't get them.  I should have saved one so I had something to go on.  I had a bunch of 288 fuel tubes but a customer from Japan bought 200 of them and took my entire inventory.  I am trying to get more.
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zoomkat
Maybe somebody with a "stock" valve core from a lantern can carefully measure the tip to tip length of the valve core to know what length comes in the lantern (assuming the cores are typically available in different lengths). If the Coleman supplied cores are getting scarce, then it would be good to determine what acceptable replacements are currently available.
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JeepJeepster
Dang! Shouldve bought several cores on my last ocp order. 

Need to put a cap on those japan orders. Theyre cleaning you out!
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salukispeed
I have the one I just removed from mine and can measure what ever one needs.   I suspect the big dimension will be the height of the exposed portion of the valve pin above the top of the threads or even to the "O" ring. That is a critical one as if not enough sticking out it will not turn on properly and if too  much sticking out it will not turn off. . I reassembled mine and can not get that dimension right now. . 
Bob
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zoomkat
I took the core out of a new tire valve stem (red seal band) and measured it. The overall length from the top of the core stem to poppet bottom was about 3/4" or 19mm. The distance from the core shoulder top (and top of the threads) to the top of the core stem was about 1/8" or 3mm. Maybe this can be compared to an origional Coleman valve core to see  how close they match.
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salukispeed
I got similar measurements but just the manufacturing differences is going to have different lengths. I did a tire core and an AC core and all three were close and the stem stuck out of the fuel tube about 2mm when assembled with all three. The core moved down as I took the picture and drawing is kind of crude. Sorry. 3/8 from stem to outer gasket seems important and assembled height in the tube seems critical too. Original core shown has the black band
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Bob
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Whitegas Extraordinaire
Cigar_Mike wrote:
The Schrader, (Coleman called it a valve core) has been discontinued and I can't get them.  I should have saved one so I had something to go on.  I had a bunch of 288 fuel tubes but a customer from Japan bought 200 of them and took my entire inventory.  I am trying to get more.


mike

i can dig out the ones I bought from you a couple of years ago and post some pictures!

WGE
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salukispeed
I did not check yet but Will the 286 use the same tube and valve core. I should have a 286 coming soon and will take it out to take pictures and measurements If needed. 
Bob
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Chucker
salukispeed wrote:
I did not check yet but Will the 286 use the same tube and valve core. I should have a 286 coming soon and will take it out to take pictures and measurements If needed. 


Yes. 
Chuck
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