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yobo
I cant remove the rust from my coleman fount fuel tank. I tried vinegar and let it soak a week with B.B's. shook it like mad too, drained flushed with water then water and baking soda then rinse with alcohol too.  and it is still rusty.  any better ideas ?

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hikerduane
Try some lye crystals, my LZ still had deposits in the bottom after two lye soaks, last was o/n.  Scraped some of what I could reach with a screwdriver.  A couple nut/bb shakes didnt get it all.  
Duane 
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25 502s
If you left vinegar in it for a week you might have caused more rust. 
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zoomkat
"any better ideas "

Yea, just remove any loose rust and then let it be. Removing more rust is just exposing fresh metal to more rusting. Keep clean fuel in the tank to protect the bottom. Rust that does flake off is heavy and generally not known to clog up a fuel pickup orifice. That being said, there is some entertainment value in performing some ritualistic voodoo practices to make the "magic" happen.
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JimL
Rust remaining after that doesn't sound right.  You sure you're not trying to remove an early brown fount liner?

-Jim

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Northman49
Lantern or stove? Model and year ?  Vinegar should have gotten all the rust out....if it is rust.
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JimL
If it is a liner, it certainly would not be the first time the brown fount liner was mistaken for rust.

-Jim

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mnhogrider
Vinegar and a BB shake should take care of any rust. You’ve got something else going on or it’s so badly rusted/pitted and so full of scale that the fount may be weak.

Proceed with caution.
Steve
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Majicwrench
When I have fonts that seem to have a lot of rust, after some removal attempts I coat em with POR15 to trap whatever remains. YMMV
Keith
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austin65uri

zoomkat wrote:
"any better ideas "

Yea, just remove any loose rust and then let it be. Removing more rust is just exposing fresh metal to more rusting. Keep clean fuel in the tank to protect the bottom. Rust that does flake off is heavy and generally not known to clog up a fuel pickup orifice. That being said, there is some entertainment value in performing some ritualistic voodoo practices to make the "magic" happen.
       

 +1. Or, if fount has potentially structural rust, and worth saving, Caswells it.

Bill.
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yobo
thanks
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yobo
what is that and where do I get it
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yobo
there was almost nothing in there. now it is worse than before
thanks
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yobo
thanks
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yobo
lantern,
no rust is worse now then before I started the procedure
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yobo
its a 1952 228e
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yobo
thanks
how do I fix it
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yobo
????
lye crystals???
how do I use it? where do I get it?
what will it do?
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JimL
If it looks worse than before, perhaps it's just flash rust because you didn't get the fount rinsed out quickly enough.  Rinse the fount, add denatured alcohol, shake, empty and repeat.  If you have a fan, you can leave the fuel cap off and put it in front of the fan to dry, AFTER cleaning with alcohol.  Just don't use rubbing alcohol.

Pick a search engine and search for lye crystals, POR-15 or whatever else you want to know where to purchase.  A search of this forum for lye will give you lots of info.

-Jim

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yobo
thanks
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gootsch
Try Evaporust.
Gootsch
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yobo
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MYN
If its rust, it'll be removable sooner or later. If its rust plus varnished-fuel, you'd need to remove the organic grime first before any acid treatment. Soak with acetone, followed by strong lye solution or some alkaline engine degreasser. If it pours out brown, you know its not just rust.
If its the original red/brown liner coat, leave it as it is unless its flaking or peeling.
Rust could be easily removed with citric, etc acids or Evapo-Rust only if its not coated with some oily/waxy grime. If someone had applied some clear varnish to seal off the rusty metal, you'd need to remove that coating first before acids could work on the rust.
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zoomkat
I think this is going to be a tough one requiring a chicken sacrifice, preferably a ten piece bucket of extra crispy.
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Phredd
+1 vote on EvapoRust.  I use it all the time for rust. I use lye when the is a lot of old RUG left in the tank or if the liner is flacking off. Since yours is and 52 228 then there is no liner.

Phredd
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hikerduane
Leave.
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hikerduane
On.
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hikerduane
Shelf.
Duane
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Dmacp
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Vinegar and a BB shake should take care of any rust.


Steve I read this statement often here. I disagree. The reason is the pits caused by the rust will not be cleaned out by the BB's. They will roll right over the top of them.
I also would not cover a rust spot with sealer unless I remove the rust first. Yes rust plugs pinholes. for a while.

my experience is that if a fount shows significant rust inside-then it is already through the bottom. Not always but nearly so.
I wonder if anyone here has any experience replacing a rusted out rocker panel on an old Chevy? You don't want to just cover it up and look the other way. Like Neil Young said....oh never mind. you know.
Dan
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yobo
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tandm7
JimL wrote:
Rinse the fount, add denatured alcohol, shake, empty and repeat.  If you have a fan, you can leave the fuel cap off and put it in front of the fan to dry, AFTER cleaning with alcohol.  Just don't use rubbing alcohol.



Was wondering why denatured and not rubbing alcohol for drying?

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yobo
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D421
Rubbing alcohol has water in it. Look at the lable.  70 percent rubbing alcohol is 30 percent water.  

The alcohol evaporates and leaves the water.
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Northman49
After derusting put the fount in the oven and 200 deg F for 30 min. Will dry out fast without flash rusting.
She was only a moonshiner's daughter, but I loved her still.

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yobo
thanks
good tip
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yobo
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tandm7
D421 wrote:
Rubbing alcohol has water in it. Look at the lable.  70 percent rubbing alcohol is 30 percent water.  

The alcohol evaporates and leaves the water.



Ok, I see where that would seem true but in fact water is highly soluble in alcohol because of their shared hydroxyl (or -OH) groups. Alcohol has a much lower boiling point than water so it evaporates faster and because of that solubility it carries the water with it. So I think what the original post meant was denatured alcohol is better than rubbing alcohol at evaporation because of the higher percentage.
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10/38   4/44   12/77
2/94    5/97    11/99

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Dvan95
I would definitely give Evaporust a try! It has worked wonders in my lanterns. It might leave a yellow coating but vinegar will take that out.
-Dan

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MYN
If you want to dry the insides of the fount instantly after derusting, but do not want the hassles of heating things up, the following is my alternative:
Rinse in sequence with denatured alcohol, followed by acetone and then CF.
Besides denatured alcohol, acetone is also a good water remover and evaporates even faster. It removes any remaining alcohol which could attract moisture again. CF rinse would remove all traces of both denatured alcohol and acetone but not water.
The fount's ready after the final CF rinse.
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yobo
thanks. what is CF??
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TSPORT
CF = Coleman Fuel.    RUG = Regular Unleaded Gas
Steve
Partial to single mantles & backpacking stoves (liquid fuel, of course!)
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yobo
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Chucker
MYN wrote:
If you want to dry the insides of the fount instantly after derusting, but do not want the hassles of heating things up, the following is my alternative:
Rinse in sequence with denatured alcohol, followed by acetone and then CF.
Besides denatured alcohol, acetone is also a good water remover and evaporates even faster. It removes any remaining alcohol which could attract moisture again. CF rinse would remove all traces of both denatured alcohol and acetone but not water.
The fount's ready after the final CF rinse.


This. 
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