200A and 202 reproduction
frames back
in stock.

Dmacp

after many years I finally got them all. Plus a few. So why not post some shots to compare. Here they are left to right L-14 (early version), L-14 (later plum version), L-14A, L-44 and L-47. I took the vents off to show the burners, I did not  show the fact that the L-47 burner lifts off but it does.  You can see glass was available on all models but the truth I found was that the plum L-14 was available with glass only from Montgomery Ward and the factory, from Sears it was mica, no choice. Some say the factory never sold a plum. I don't know. First lighting hole looks like it was on the L-44. 
They changed the numbering system, and the glass suffix several times. Plus Sears went to it's own six digit numbering system and Preway stamped the L-47 as such. So the numbers can be confusing. Plus often they would continue to use a picture of the L-14 even though the lantern being advertised was an L-44. they did that-cut costs I guess. Confuse future collectors.
When I'm lucky enough to find a fount to change out a bad one, the new fount gets a primo paint job and inside coating so the lantern will last a while.
Hope you like them. Thanks to the members who donated parts for these!
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Dan
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Guff
That is a very impressive line up, Dan. I like them all, but the plum version is sure a stand out.
I've got an L- 47P model here which I picked up on our last visit to the USA, but have not got around to fettle it yet.
I never realized how heavy these little fellows are. Very solid build.

Keith.
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SteveRetherford
impressive line up Dan , i have 4 here but mine dont look that NICE :-)
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Bill
Very nice line-up, Dan.  I wasn't aware of all the subtle variations, or that there were models other than the L14 and L47.  Next to the KampLite inverteds, the PW Juniors have to be my second favorite lantern model.  While I own two L47's, neither one came with an original padded vent washer.  I've had to make my own out of brass fender washers.  Are the originals made of aluminum?
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Gasman64
Very nice, Dan, that is one fine looking bunch!  Like Guff/Keith, I especially like the plum colored one.
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an original padded vent washer. I've had to make my own out of brass fender washers. Are the originals made of aluminum?

yes Bill those were aluminum, with asbestos padding attached. The other models shown all have steel washers.
Dan
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Kgam1020
Wow impressive line up. They all look amazing. The plum is awesome like others have said. It amazes me on all the different manufactures of lanterns. Their all so beautiful. ðŸ˜   
Ken.
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Legs
That's the most Juniors I've seen in one spot. Nice ones too! I've yet to fire my L47P I have had for years. Might have to move it forward on the fettle line.

Let it burn....        
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OregonMichael
Good lookin' group, Dan!  Glad to hear you've completed the series.  
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MartyJ
That is an amazing collection of hard to find and truly well designed lanterns.  I envy the plum.
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StanDahl
That's quite a lineup! I've got an L-47P and an L-47S (Sears Jr.). They're slightly different in the frame. I can't get a Coleman bulge globe on at least the P, so I got the straight globes from Fred K for both. They're fussy, but great when they want to be!
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egroscup
Great lineup Dan, thanks for posting those up. E.
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Rhubarb
Great group photo!  Thanks for sharing.
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Dmacp
"I can't get a Coleman bulge globe on at least the P, so I got the straight globes from Fred K for both."
John those are all MacBeth globes. They are slimmer about the middle. These were used by almost all US lantern manufacturers except Coleman.
some of the early ones are quite thick and ground on the ends.
You can see all the models beside the L47 will take a Coleman globe. They also take Coleman generators. (smart move). These burn fine, even outstanding with a 220 generator. I used to take a 200A and a 220 generator and swap the tips. But I eventually realized that is not necessary. In fact I think the 220 gennie works best

I believe I've got this right, Dow Corning (Pyrex) bought out MacBeth Evans in the late '40's. Once they had bought it, they discontinued the line. AGM then went to McKee Glasbake. Most of the other companies folded or changed hands. So a lantern with a MacBeth globe would have to be pre 1950 and maybe earlier.
Dan
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Coast to Coast
I like how that first one has a small vent like a 242NL.
-Bird- Milwaukee, WI.
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adelcoro
Very nice Dan!
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brucesheehe
That is extremely nice - just look at the heavy duty burner on the later models.

Most excellent and beautiful!
Bruce Sheehe
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outlawmws
Great collection!  I like it!  I have a Sears Jr. (beaten with the proverbial ugly stick), so I guess I'm 1/5th of the way there!
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StanDahl
Dmacp wrote:
 John those are all MacBeth globes. They are slimmer about the middle.
I just remembered that I had picked up a MacBeth/Thermo globe a few weeks ago and tried it in the L47's. No go. 
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L47S (Sears Jr.)
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L47P (PreWay Jr.)
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I've got another MacBeth Thermo, same logo, with a lighting hole. It doesn't fit either. 
See the difference in the frames at the bottom of the uprights? Does that make one more variant to add to the collection?
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The L47S (right) has a bail that you gave me way back when!
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I just remembered that I had picked up a MacBeth/Thermo globe a few weeks ago and tried it in the L47's. No go.

In your first picture I can see a problem-not in the second though. The Sears frame has been doubled up and welded. Far as I know that spring clip was for the glass chimney, it should fit-snug but fit. Is that the one you re-welded? It does look slightly bent. They can be straightened with steel blocks and scissors clamps. I can see you wouldn't want to force it.
I've seen those struts bent into an arc so the Coleman globe would fit.
None of my ads show an L47 with mica. They all show globes with a lighting hole. My L44 also has a lighting hole in the globe. Not the L14. The L14 globe is thicker and ground on the ends.
Dan
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StanDahl
Dan: Whatever was done to this Sears Jr makes no sense to me. The frame seems to have been welded on the sides, but the top ring is still intact. The welds at the bottom on one side are very clean and smooth (which is the only side I really noticed, making me think it was a factory job), but the other side is a little rougher.  
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The top ends up being the same diameter so that the vent will fit. I don't see how a bulge globe would fit, unless the burner was pulled out and it was slipped in sideways, but the globe would be too tall for that or it would just slide around. I guess the top of the frame could be unscrewed, but what a hassle!
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Here's the L47P. I never bothered to compare them after I got this one a number of years later.
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outlawmws
Stan,  is the bolted on ring still round?  it should be on the inside of the uprights.  

I'd bet the upright mods were to clear a bulge globe, and yes, unbolt the ring to install.  
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I picked up another Sears Jr. today, it is completely intact:
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The model number seems to be 742.47, which is different than the other Sears Jr. I have, plus it has a black valve wheel. Maybe it's from a different sales year. This one is going to need a polish job, and a globe. I also got some spare parts that include the direction disk and a whatchacallit nut for the valve wheel on the other Sears Jr.

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John, is the bolted on ring still round?  it should be on the inside of the uprights.
Yes, it's round and it's on the outside, and the vent is hard to slide on. I could try putting them on the inside of the uprights, maybe the vent will fit better that way too.
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outlawmws
The vent looks outstanding from that angle Stan!  Nice find!
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Bill
Dan, do you have any catalog or other sales information for PW lanterns from 1942 or later?  From what I've been able to research, it doesn't appear that PW made lanterns during or after WWII.  I know they made stoves for the military during the war, and continued to make camp stoves after the war, but I don't think they ever resumed making lanterns.
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Flat_twin
That's an a beautiful group of PW lanterns.  
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Dmacp
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Dan, do you have any catalog or other sales information for PW lanterns from 1942 or later? From what I've been able to research, it doesn't appear that PW made lanterns during or after WWII. I know they made stoves for the military during the war, and continued to make camp stoves after the war, but I don't think they ever resumed making lanterns.


Bill I've got a page from a Sears catalog, but no date. I think you are right, but not positive. Joe P would know and I will send him an email. The L47 was listed for $4.49.

John- Your new Preway is an L47 but with the newer Sears numbering system-pretty sure it was used up through the Ted Williams years. Does the globe fit that one?

Dan
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Dmacp
some ads I do have.
here you can see 4 different lanterns but the picture is unchanged. note also the change in suffix for the glass/mica options.
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Dan
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Dmacp
sorry about the blur. 1934 Sears Catalog-very fragile. It says mica chimney




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Dan
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Dmacp
John this is for you. the distance between the uprights is 4.365" (~ 4-3/8")
the ring with the anti rattle springs is not perfectly round. 90° to the uprights the diameter is 4.570" (4-9/16")

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Dan
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StanDahl
These PreWay lanterns were sold by Sears from 1933 to 1939. The 1933-34 models were like the first one you have at top on the left, like the early 242 with the different bail and smaller brimmed vent. They came with mica chimneys until 1936. After WWII, Sears sold Coleman lanterns (stock Coleman, not rebadged) until the JC Higgins/AGM line came along in the early 50's. 

The distance between the uprights on my first Sears Jr. is the same as the PreWay Jr. The new Sears Jr. is slightly wider: ~4.4" vs ~4.25" (I measured lazily without taking the vents off). Still, neither of the MacBeth Thermo globes I have will fit into the new Jr., they both wedge into the opening.
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Dmacp
there is a slight interference on mine but not enough for me to break a sweat.
Maybe that globe is bigger. Scratching my head here, as this is a first for me. I'll measure the globe on mine.
funny thing, could be wrong here but I don't think the L47 was offered with mica. But as soon as the MacBeth shatters the mica was the easiest, cheapest fix available, and shatterproof too.
Dan
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outlawmws
I wonder if MacBeth made 2 sizes?  One for their replacements and one for 242/200 replacements?
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I wonder if MacBeth made 2 sizes?

I'm wondering that too. The globe I measured is 4.290" diameter at it's widest point. Less than 1/10" of an inch clearance. would not take much to make it not fit.
Dan
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Dmacp
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From what I've been able to research, it doesn't appear that PW made lanterns during or after WWII. I know they made stoves for the military during the war, and continued to make camp stoves after the war, but I don't think they ever resumed making lanterns.


Bill I spoke to Joe_P who is my preway guru. He thinks the last ones came out in '41-prior to our involvement in the war-meaning you are exactly right. He will get back to me with maybe a firm date. 
Dan
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way2muchstuff
Very Nice group! I think I have all but the plum colored lantern. I do have a sears lantern that was made by Turner (the advertisement you shared) new in the box! Happy Collecting!
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GoCamping
Dan, fantastic line up....I just love these little guys ....as you know ...ha ha ha

Thanks for sharing .... i keep learning from you on these and AGM's
Chris

Looking for any Lantern dated "10-89" (B/D lantern for my Son)
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MartyJ

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Repost of my Preways to keep this thread going. One single mantle branded Sears and one Montgomery Wards.  The Sears has. Macbeth.  The two mantles  both have original mica, one with a lighting hole.   I still very jealous of that plum. 

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outlawmws
Wait,  MW also sold the Jr?  Cool!
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Dmacp
each had a different shape tag on the collar-Sears was diamond shaped and MW was oval. Prentiss-Wabers was also oval.
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Doug L
Here ya go
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MartyJ
Doug, that monkey wards looks flawless.  Must have had very little use. I love the solid feel of these.
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Doug L
Yea I lucked out  with original globe 
looking for a Hugo Moller Comet  Stove 5 or 6

 

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