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SteveRetherford
swapped out the plugs on the civic today . one even with oil sprayed down the hole came out pretty hard . putting the new in i went back n forth n it got a little better but still not right . so i look on line n see a spark plug thread chaser available at Napa locally for 10 clams . is this a good idea majicwrench Keith ? or anyone else who knows . i dont think there bad enough for an insert , trying to avoid that !!!

Spark Plug Thread Chasers Part Number : SER 730
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salukispeed
If you are comfortable with getting the thread chaser started straight  they can work well. My Honda Fit had two that were real buggers from the first time. And using a thread chaser really helped. The small amount of aluminum debris created is not normally an issue and will blow out. A thread chaser is friendlier than a tap and will reform the threads more than a tap which will remove metal. Many grease the chaser or tap to capture what they can. chasing can form and clean the remaining good threads and Putting in an insert is a last resort in my opinion and leaves no where else to go. Hope someone else will chime in here as this is only my opinion
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SteveRetherford
appreciate your opinion Bob , thats kinda what i have in mind to do .
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Hot Diggity
Bob nailed it.  Have to start straight or you'll do more damage.  Run the piston to the top of the stroke and grease the thread chaser good.  If any chips do get in the cylinder you can fish them out with some grease on a stick.

Spin the engine over with a rag over the hole and the remaining grease will blow out.
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Majicwrench
Steve,
Those thread chasers work well. It is possible to get em in cockeyed. Don't worry about aluminum pieces falling in.

And if there is access is pretty simple to do an insert.

Did old plug come out with shreds of threads on it?

Will new plug thread all the way in??  Just being stiff going in is not a big deal if it still seats.

 
Keith
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Tgarner01
That thread chaser will work if it will fit in the space you have to work with Steve. I've had to cut them, weld extensions, grind... Whatever it takes to get it in there. Hopefully it's just dirty threads and not cross threaded. If you're worried about the debris that may fall into the cylinder, just start the engine without the plug in it. I always do this on the 4.6/5.4 Ford's that are notorious for blowing plugs out. Just run it a couple seconds and you're good to go.
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Majicwrench
Toby has a good point, that is a pretty big hex, may not fit in the hole. One way to find out...
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SteveRetherford
Thanks , all good advice !!! about ready to head to Napa , ill drive the honda there n bring my socket that i know fits down this maybe 6 inch deep hole . just trying to prevent further damage . ill grease it up good too :-)

no threads came out stuck to the plug thankfully , but when i tightened the new one down near the end it was very tight despite oil n back n forth to the point it was almost hard to tell when it was seated . not that bad but concerning to me .
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outlawmws
Be sure to sure anti-seize on the threads!  (also being careful not to get that stuff INSIDE as the stuff can kill the O2 sensor - skip the first couple of threads...)
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Majicwrench
You are driving Honda.....so plug is in......

If you can screw plug in I would avoid chasing threads. don't fix it till it's broke.

Waiting to hear the outcome...
Keith
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arizonacamper
Don't use antiseize on the threead chaser use Dielectric grease it will also catch any shavings that may fall down. If any shavings fall down in the cylinder put a small rubber vacuum hose down inside it coated with Dielectric grease about 4 to 6 inchs. gently blow air around inside there and it will pick the chips up and you can pull them out with the tube.
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Shaun I was talking about the Plugs, (I should have been clearer on that)
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SteveRetherford
well the one they were trying to sell me wouldnt work i tell em , and showed em the socket that fits in the this small hole , but they did have a single size chaser that fits in the hole , you just use a 3/8 drive wrench on it so no socket . new air filter , turn signal bulb all sorts of little things today  .... im thinking of takeing out that plug n chase the threads now ? then put some anti seize on the plug trying to prevent worse damage later . but its too darn hot out there right now ....... gota get the sun on the other side of the house first :-) im in no rush .

i get the if it ant broke dont fix it , but i feel its broke and i needed to do this to prevent worse down the line ? kinda on the fence till it cools off .
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Majicwrench
All these big decisions....

And FYI, spark plug manufactures do not recommend antiseize on plugs. They come with something on em already.

"Autolite does NOT recommend the use any type of anti seize lubricant when installing new Autolite spark plugs. Since anti-seize compounds contain metallic, electrically conductive ingredients, the ingredients can come in contact with the electrodes on the spark plugs, leading to misfires.Jun 24, 2017"

"NGK spark plugs are installed at the factory dry, without lubrication or anti-seize. ... Metal shell stretch changes the heat rating of the spark plug and can result in serious engine damage caused by pre-ignition. Do not use anti-seize or lubricant on NGK spark plugs"

"Champion spark plugs are zinc plated to reduce the chance of seizure in aluminum cylinder heads. Champion then applies Tin Tac” and ULTRASEAL'M coatings over the plating to further reduce corrosion and seizure. Anti-seize should NOT be applied to new Champion spark plugs.Jun 24, 2017"

YMMV.
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SteveRetherford
well , lucky me , maybe i was too quick to act n got lucky . i went n chased it  , just collected what looked like a little dirt in the recessed areas . in n out cleaned and did it again then it went it nice n easy , put NGK plugs in but couldn't find the antisieze , i just lubed it and it it went in nice n easy almost too the end , so i took it out inspected n cleaned the threads one more time and snugged it up ....... threads in n out a lot easier than it did this morning .
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Excellent.
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SteveRetherford
this was some pretty interesting reading Keith , Thanks !!!


And FYI, spark plug manufactures do not recommend antiseize on plugs. They come with something on em already.

"Autolite does NOT recommend the use any type of anti seize lubricant when installing new Autolite spark plugs. Since anti-seize compounds contain metallic, electrically conductive ingredients, the ingredients can come in contact with the electrodes on the spark plugs, leading to misfires.Jun 24, 2017"

"NGK spark plugs are installed at the factory dry, without lubrication or anti-seize. ... Metal shell stretch changes the heat rating of the spark plug and can result in serious engine damage caused by pre-ignition. Do not use anti-seize or lubricant on NGK spark plugs"

"Champion spark plugs are zinc plated to reduce the chance of seizure in aluminum cylinder heads. Champion then applies Tin Tac” and ULTRASEAL'M coatings over the plating to further reduce corrosion and seizure. Anti-seize should NOT be applied to new Champion spark plugs.Jun 24, 2017"

YMMV.
 
Keith
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10gage
Those work great at least it did on my Chevy Colorado. By the time I put it in the socket the socket had very little play to guide the tool straight in.
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Keith, thanks for the information regarding various plug manufacturers, and avoiding anti-seize on them.
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Dubblbubbl
this was some pretty interesting reading Keith , Thanks !!!


And FYI, spark plug manufactures do not recommend antiseize on plugs. They come with something on em already.
...

YMMV.
 
Keith



one exception I’ve experienced first hand.  On the Ford Triton v8s the plugs are prone to breaking in the head when removing them.  They are two piece plugs and when they seize to the head, you can easily separate the two parts of the plug. I believe the official Ford procedure is to soak the plugs with penetrating oil overnight, then try to loosen them and if the plugs don’t budge, soak some more and wait another day.  Even with the one day soak procedure I broke three plugs.  Ford has a tool made especially for this job, but it requires running the tool into the remaining ceramic core and then removing the plug remnants and vacuuming the cylinder once the plug remnants are removed.  Then to make the next guys job easier, apply anti-seize to the new plug threads before installing them.  I don’t know if the last step is official Ford or not, but several Ford forums recommend it.

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Majicwrench

It is not the threads that seize on those ford engines, it's the funny looking part that sticks out from plug threads.

Ford recommends (TSB 08-7-6)  coating the tapered, non-threaded part of plug with antiseize.

Keith
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arizonacamper
Ford recommended anti seize on there spark plugs way back in the very early 90s when the Triton engine 4.6l/5.4l  first came out.
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Tgarner01
I believe we can all agree Ford OHC engines had major spark plug issues with anti seize or not.... Sure hope they can make a go with their new pushrod engine.

Glad you got your spark plug issue fixed Steve!!
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clifforddward
I'm late to the party on this one Steve...been away from the forum...I have used thread chasers successfully on Honda engines...installed plugs dry.

Sounds like all worked well for you...glad it turned out OK.

Cross threading is the fear with any thread chaser...particularly with spark plug holes...good thing you did not know how dangerous it was...otherwise you would have never attempted it....sometimes ignorance is bliss!
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Majicwrench
I've got factory Ford manuals from the mid 90's and I don't see anything about antiseize on plugs.
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arizonacamper
Went out as an ssm never stepped up to tsb level and never put in shop mans.
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Dmacp
don't install the plugs on a hot engine-make sure it has cooled down. specially an air cooled engine
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salukispeed
As an old school guy I have nearly always put a tiny amount of antisieze on the plug threads but several years ago I did a set of Denso iridium plugs on my Honda Fit. After 30,000 miles it developed a serious misfire that was the result of all four had the center electrode melted or missing. I contacted denso asking for help with a reason as I didn't want a repeat . I sent the plugs to their team for diagnosis and they returned the findings that the plugs were correct for the application and the antisieze was likely the reason for failure. They claimed it can act as a insulator and  the plugs overheated and melted down. I put the next set in dry and it did not repeat. Now I do not use the antisieze automatically
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Gunhippie
I habitually use anti-seize on the plugs of any engine with an aluminum head. I've pulled the threads out of the heads on VWs a few times, but never since I started using AS on them.

Use a tiny amount and make sure it's only on the threads. AS is conductive and will totally foul a plug if you get it on or near the 'trodes.
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outlawmws
With all due respect to Keith,  Not every spark plug Mfg forbids the use of antiseize:

from Bosch:

Important, please read!
Plugs must be tightened with a torque wrench. See page 309 for recommended values. Failure to sufficiently seat the plug in the engine spark plug seat will likely result in one or more of the following:
Damaged spark plug (melting of electrodes, separation of the insulator from the shell, discoloration of shell and
terminal nut), burnt spark plug wire and severe engine damage.
Avoid overtorquing of the spark plug which will result in plugs damage (insulator becomes loose and center electrode
melts).
Bosch Spark Plug threads are rolled and nickelplated eliminating the need to use anti-seize compound (if antiseize material is used, reduce the torque recommendations by 30%). Make sure cylinder head plug threads are free of
carbon deposits — if necessary “chase” threads with a cleaning tool.

The real issues are over-torquing, which can upset the threads in the head and now you are actually loose, and since the antiseize is a lube, its easier to over-torque;  and in some cases being sloppy with the antisense and getting it on the electrodes and having it contaminate the O2 sensor (something else that needs Antiseize, if you don't want to be drilling it out next time.)

For Joe average shade tree mechanic, It's probably better to tell them not to use it since they can't be trusted to not Eff it up.  

I can also say that I've always used AS on any plug in an aluminum head.  I've never had an issue, but I know not to use much, and not on the leading threads.  I also know when I had occasion to pull a plug I put in, it was not scary tough to do so,   I've never striped a head (Knocks on wood) and never broke a plug.  
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Majicwrench
With all due respect to Outlawmws, I didn't say "Forbid", I said "recommends"
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Noted.
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