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Ciancio
I've reached the point I am asking everybody/anybody about this.
I have a 2013 Ford Explorer. A few days ago I went to start it and nothing happened, a few seconds later the dash lit up like a Christmas Tree and displayed 6 different errors on the display. The battery is 3months old and sitting @12.7V, I haven't found any fuses blown, I disconnected the battery terminals and shorted them together to clear/reboot the system. The OBDii port has power but wont communicate (first tried my ScanGuageII reader, then I used an ELM327 chipped usb adaptor and tried to link with Forscan). at this point I don't know where else to turn, short of dragging it into the dealer.
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mksmth
I've had bad batteries that were new. Have you had it tested. Connections I  assume are clean. Too bad it's not an 06 or an 07 explorer. I've had 2 and fixed just about every on them. Strange the obd isn't talking. 
Sadly there isn't much us driveway mechanics can do with the newer cars.  
Mike
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Ciancio
The battery terminals look good and clean, I will probably replace the negative one, I don't like the wedge style clamp, just doesn't seem like you can get it tight enough but its been that way since day one. I plan to pull the battery and have it load tested just to make sure. I had no idea how many "Modules" they have now, something like 14 of them, and with no OBDii support there's no way to pinpoint if one of them is causing the problem.


P.S. I noticed your signature about flathead fords, Currently have one tore down right now in my dads shop, along with the truck it came out of. The first year of the F250
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74HARLEY
If the obd2 is not communicating make sure that the check engine light comes on when you turn the key on. If not check the ecm fuses/ relays. But it's possible the ecm has failed.
Joe
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mksmth
Ciancio wrote:
The battery terminals look good and clean, I will probably replace the negative one, I don't like the wedge style clamp, just doesn't seem like you can get it tight enough but its been that way since day one. I plan to pull the battery and have it load tested just to make sure. I had no idea how many "Modules" they have now, something like 14 of them, and with no OBDii support there's no way to pinpoint if one of them is causing the problem.


P.S. I noticed your signature about flathead fords, Currently have one tore down right now in my dads shop, along with the truck it came out of. The first year of the F250

I hate those clamps too. My 2011 f150 has them. That's awesome about your truck. I've been replacing all the fuel system on mine and now the silly thing won't start. I think I've something off with the ignition now. Always something it seems. 
Mike. 
Mike
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byegorge
Test don't guess.
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salukispeed
There have been some fords in that time period that had fuse box issues in the engine compartment and were very hard to diagnose also the plastic ignition switch are sometimes to blame as the tabs fail that hold them in place. And as mentioned weird things happen if the battery is defective. so a good load test and connections makes sense
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wpnaes

Not sure if you know this forum, but they’re decent at troubleshooting. 

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/forum269/

:-X25

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Majicwrench
Take it in to good shop.
Keith
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GCinSC
Sorry, not the most intelligent comment but might want to just do a visual scan of the engine compartment and look for two possibles.

1. Squirrels made lunch on wires.
2. Signs of smoke escape trails.

Good luck and I've had squirrels hit my VW two times.

Gary
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Ciancio
wpnaes wrote:

Not sure if you know this forum, but they’re decent at troubleshooting. 

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/forum269/

:-X25



That can be a good site. I am one of the expert posters in the Bronco forum.
Sadly the 5th gen Explorer category is lacking people and knowledge.
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Steve66
Bad grounds can do crazy things. My 2013 Silverado would out of the blue act possessed. I'm talking shifting up and down while the doors locked and unlocked, the a/c would switch to heat and you couldn't turn it off while every light on the dash lit up and more. The battery ground cable had a weak spot that couldn't carry the load.
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Danno53
+1 on the bad ground.
They can cause some weird things.
Danny
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byegorge
I liked the symptoms on Ford F-series when windshield leaks poured water into louvers on the body control module. Things turn on randomly with no one around, most definitely possessed.
George
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AT
Steve66 wrote:
Bad grounds can do crazy things. My 2013 Silverado would out of the blue act possessed. I'm talking shifting up and down while the doors locked and unlocked, the a/c would switch to heat and you couldn't turn it off while every light on the dash lit up and more. The battery ground cable had a weak spot that couldn't carry the load.


People often do not check the ground where it attaches to the block. I have personally seen this cause a no charge/no start condition on several vehicles, in addition to erratic behavior of components. This is why alternators, starters, and batteries are always tested before replacing under warranty.
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JimL
A couple of years ago, my truck wouldn't start on rainy days.  Otherwise, it started just fine.  I re-seated the connectors to the computer which sits under the hood and never had the problem again.  It couldn't hurt to re-seat connectors, regardless of where they reside.

-Jim

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zoomkat
Turn the ignition on (or just headlights) so you have a visual indication, then start moving/shaking the power wires in the engine compartment. Maybe the lights will flicker when a loose connection is moved. 
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bngreenchev
It's highly unlikely based on your location but you could have a case of the green crusties "aka corrosion" on the underside of the fuse block, I wanna say your model year had issues with water getting in there but can't remember for sure, but the suggestions about a bad ground would be a good place to start looking.
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Chucker
JimL wrote:
A couple of years ago, my truck wouldn't start on rainy days.  Otherwise, it started just fine.  I re-seated the connectors to the computer which sits under the hood and never had the problem again.  It couldn't hurt to re-seat connectors, regardless of where they reside.


This.

I learned a few years ago also that connections corrode ever so slightly over time and can cause what seems like a failure. Just unplugging the connectors and maybe spraying them then re-connecting them can get you on the road again. 
Chuck
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holliswood
I know this is a totally different vehicle but my Jeep wouldn’t crank once. Everything ground wise was checked and spiffed up. Long story short, the ground wire running into the battery connector had almost broke because my battery was sliding around. It presented as a bad starter but wasn’t the case. 
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campinut
Remove block negative cable and sand cable end and block..campinut.
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hahoe03
First check the cigarette lighter fuse. Ford's OBD ports are powered by that fuse. 
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arizonacamper
Not the cigarette lighter the power point fuse is what powers OBD2 connector on Fords
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Ciancio
I've come to the point that I think I will just have to have it towed to the dealer, I'm pretty sure the PCM is done. I have checked all the fuse's, swapped a few relays, disconnected the negative cable and ran a 4 Gauge jumper cable from the battery to the frame. Nothing has made any difference.
The OBDii has power, it just wont communicate with the system.
The PCM is located under the wiper motor, you have to remove the upper and lower cowl to get to it but I will try unplugging and reseating it to see if that does anything
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JimL
If it's not running, this won't be a fix, but I will still bring it up for future reference.  When the truck was running, did you ever notice an alternator whine with the engine running?  I had a situation with the digital display of my vette many years ago.  Initially, it would shut off for a split second.  Over time, it got worse and worse and the gauges would be all over the place.  Going down the highway, the speedometer would register anywhere from 66mph to 220mph.   I went through every ground i could find, and saw no issues.  As I was giving up for the day, I figured I'd go after the alternator whine.  When I opened the distributor to check the capacitor, I saw that the strap was loose.  I snugged it back up and not only was the radio noise gone, but also all the issues with the dash. 

Apologies if I missed it, but is the engine turning over and just not starting?  If it's not turning over, I suspect your problem may be a little easier/obvious and I would check the wiring to the starter and solenoid at the starter itself.   The starter is the biggest load and if it's not turning over, perhaps a fusible link is broken.  Fusible links are just wires of a special material (I don't recall what it is) in that area designed to burn up if something shorts out.  If the engine currently does turn over but won't start, I would disconnect the battery ground and leave it off for several minutes.  I do not suggest you short the positive and negative cables together.  The computer may not appreciate the sudden discharge of the capacitors.

-Jim

Flammable liquids, open flame, what could go wrong?
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Majicwrench
Please quit swapping relays or wiggling wires or adding wires or disconnecting things and take it into someone who can fix it. Nothing I hate worse than getting a vehicle in the shop after owner has been trying to "fix" it.

If you called me at this point and told me what you have been doing to it, I would decline the repair.
Keith
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Ciancio
Majicwrench wrote:
Please quit swapping relays or wiggling wires or adding wires or disconnecting things and take it into someone who can fix it. Nothing I hate worse than getting a vehicle in the shop after owner has been trying to "fix" it.

If you called me at this point and told me what you have been doing to it, I would decline the repair.


I am trying to proceed with caution, I am a service tech in the foodservice/supermarket industry and understand the frustration of "self fixes". I changed one relay to test that system and when it didn't make any difference I switched it back. Nothing I have done so far would cause further damage, I am just trying to make sure its not something stupid or simple. The fact that the OBDii has power but wont communicate tells me it is a system/computer issue and that is why I am scheduling to have it towed to the dealer, I have reached the point that I am qualified for and risk causing damage if I continue.

I know its frustrating when people cause more problems trying to fix it then the original issue. But please don't assume that anybody that opens the hood is stupid or a hack.
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Majicwrench
I'm not assuming that you are stupid or a hack. I just know from decades of business that in general, taking on a job that has already been dinked with as yours has, is not as often a pleasant or profitable experience for me.

"Nothing I have done so far would cause further damage"  that phrase is almost like "hold my beer.."  🙂


Let us know how it turns out.
Keith
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Ciancio
Majicwrench wrote:


"Nothing I have done so far would cause further damage"  that phrase is almost like "hold my beer.."  🙂


Let us know how it turns out.


I like that one.

Sorry if I was a little harsh and read that wrong. I had been awake for 28hrs at that point because of an install and was tired, dirty, and frustrated. Not a good time to be checking emails/ posts.

I am scheduling an appointment with the dealer that we do all our fleet vehicles at. I trust the Service Advisor there. Figure I'll have them figure it out as well as take care of a few recalls on it 
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mowgod
Majicwrench wrote:
Take it in to good shop.


I agree with Keith get towed to a reputable shop there is so many variables that with out the proper information and  tools yourbjust guessing and that gets damn expensive 
Phil
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Ciancio
Update:
I had it towed to the dealership last week and they just got back to me today. “Rodent damage” turns out something chewed thru the harness under the battery box. I never would have found that.
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Dmacp
trash can half full of water. Use PVC pipe to mount a dough roller suspended over the water. make a ladder up to it, rodent size. Put peanut butter in the middle of the roller.
Be sure and empty it when full.
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LakeGeorge
Mice. I put poison blocks under my hood. They haven't fallen out.
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GCinSC
GCinSC wrote:
Sorry, not the most intelligent comment but might want to just do a visual scan of the engine compartment and look for two possibles.

1. Squirrels made lunch on wires.
2. Signs of smoke escape trails.

Good luck and I've had squirrels hit my VW two times.

Gary


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kb0hae
Tree rats and other rodents can be very destructive!  I miss my old 69 Mustang.  No computers, GPS etc...it just ran! 
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Mike
Did Ford not use some soybean-based wire wrap in years past that the rodents of the world loved? Dang, first you're supposed to bang on the hood to scare out any cats that are up on the engine enjoying the warmth, and then you get mice gnawing on your wiring. 
Glad they found your problem. Clearly not the moron Mazda mechanics from my local dealership.
Mike. 
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