200A and 202 reproduction
frames back
in stock.

Guff
Like most other members here I've got plenty of time at home now trying to avoid this virus thing. So I've been going through my "to do" pile of gpa's to give each a full fettle. I aim to complete one per day, but some take longer.
Here are two Canadian Scouts, a 247 6/48 and a 249 C/41 I just completed.
I picked up the 247 in Ontario CA and the 249 down here in Oz.
As with most of these early Canadian models, both had good nickel when found. Both have steel burner caps, and the 249 had an aluminium preheater cup. That type of cup was also used on the 242K and some early 247s from the mid to late 1930's, with the unmarked collars. I have another CA 249 with the same C/41 date that also has the aluminium preheater cup. You don't find many 249 Scout models with that type of cup after 1941.

I've often wondered why the nickel plating on the early Canadian lanterns, 500 stoves an some lamps like the Silver Dutchess appears to be noticably better plating than that on comparable USA made gpas, from the same periods.
Did Coleman do the plating in their respective factories in Toronto and Wichita, or was it outsourced? You would think that if it was done "in house" then the formulation of chemicals and the electrolysis process would have been standarzied so that each factory produced a similar standard of Coleman product. Has anyone here seen and any literature on this subject, or where the plating was done?

From my observations the better quality of the Canadian nickel only occurred in the period from the mid 1920's to the late 1950's. The quality of the plating on the Canadian late 249, 249D, 249E, and especially the 339 is not as good as was done in that period.

Anyway, here are some pictures of my two fettled Canadian Scouts.

First up the before pic of the 247 Scout. The nickel plating on it, as found, was exceptionally good.

IMG_2222 (2).jpg 
 Here is the before pic of the 249 Scout. Still good nickel, but not as good as the 247 Scout nickel.

IMG_2264 (2).jpg 

The after pic of the two Scouts. 247 Scout on the left.

rsz_img_20200320_163324779_2 Canadian Scouts 2.jpg 
And an after pic of the two with the vents off.

rsz_img_20200320_163934638_3 Canadian Scouts..jpg 
Thanks for looking.
Keith.

 
Quote
Mister Wilson
Beautiful!
John
H.C. Lanterns dealer
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate #2001 A Turd's Odyssey
Canadian Blues #028
Coleman Slant Saver #31
Looking for 6-56 and 6-58 Birthday lanterns.
There's been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about.
Quote
tonywebber45
Very nice Keith, nickle and seafoam, hard not to like that combo😁
No honey its not another lamp,just parts for one I already have. ICCC #1479
Quote
Newfie
Are the burner frame's air tubes of the 249 bigger that on the 247? It looks like they're slightly bigger. 

If so that's something I've never noticed before.

And the vents look nice on both of those. For them to be in such good shape those lanterns must not have seen much use. I have a late 30s (can't remember the date exactly) and the seafoam vent is in really rough shape.
Shane Looking for the following Canadian birthday lanterns or lamps: 2-32, 6-34,
Quote
LanternTom
Very nice Keith 
Tom Reis
"Light 'em if you got 'em!!

ICCC# 1303
Quote
1hpycmpr
Those turned out very nice, Keith.  Can’t answer your question regarding the difference between Canadian nickel vs US nickel but I think others have mentioned this in the past.
Mark
Quote
Emorr123
Nice looking pair!
Eric 
MilspecOps #1272
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate #1272
BernzOmatic Appreciation Club #1272
Coleman Quick Lite Crew #7
ICCC #1789
Quote
major_man
Another great clean up keith, those 249s are one of my favourite models
William
WTB or trade for poultry or USFS.
Quote
Guff
@Newfie. Hi Shane. Yes the 249 airtubes are about 2 mm larger OD than the ones on the 247, but the actual air tube openings ID where they are swaged to the frame base plate is only about 1 mm larger. Also the whole 249 burner assembly, ie, cast tubes, top bend, and cast mixing chamber, are all larger than on the 247 as well.
I agree that these Scouts have not had excessive use considering the condition of the porcelain on their vents. That made cleaning them up quite easy.
When Margaret and I did our big roadtrip across Canada from Vancouver to Quebec, we must have visited about 80 or more antique stores and flea markets along the way, looking for lanterns ect. I only saw one 249 Scout on the trip, and it was in poor condition, but saw lots of nice 247Scouts.
So the 249 Scout was definitely an export model, and I have found all of mine down here in Oz.

@1hpycmpr. Hi Mark. Yes mate; over the years I have seen comments here from many members who have said that they have noticed that the nickel plating on Canadian gpa's appears to be of better quality than that on USA made ones. As one's observations based on a visual inspection is subject to  personal bias and preferance, I was just wondering if there was any paperwork floating around that may shed some light on where Coleman Canada and USA had the plating done. If it was done "in house" in those countries at the respective Coleman factories, you would expect it to be the same standard, but if it was outsourced then you would expect differences in quality ect. I do believe that the quality of the Canadian nickel plating also was of a poorer quality from the 1950's on. 
It's no big deal, it's just me wondering why the difference.

Keith.     
Quote
adelcoro
Keith
Very nice !!!
ICCC 957
Quote
Scouterjan
Fairdinkum cobber.  Beauty. I have stripped the lantern room because of the flood and I am in the process of starting to put it back together.  Time to break out the polish.
Jan


Mitakiuye Oyasin " All My Relations"
Quote
Guff
Jan, That must have been one hell of a job, mate. You had lots of things to move out of there. Just hope the flood never resulted in too much water damage to the room.
Sounds like one of our North Queensland monsoonal storms must have made it's way to Maple Ridge and your place. 

Thanks all, for your comments on this post.

Keith.
Quote
Kansas John
Those turned out great!  Gives me something to aspire to with my 247s.
John M. Lawrence, KS
ICCC #1431

Looking for a 214 kero and REI single burner anniversary stove as well as any Coleman born on date 10/77, 1/80
Quote
Gasman64
Keith, I'm sorry I missed this post somehow...Very nice what you have there, some fine looking lanterns.  In my defense, I'm still working full-time at my job, however, do spend a fair bit of time here after hours.
I hope you and Margaret stay well, and if I ever get to Oz, a cassowary will not be a big deal to me after trying to avoid this virus thing.  Seems like it's the little tiny things that get you-here in Pennsylvania, the mild winter most of us experienced has led to a lot more ticks this Spring.
Steve
ICCC #1012
logoballistol logo 1a.png

Quote
Guff
@Gasman64. Hi Steve. No worries, mate, both Margaret and I are well and are isolating, and adhering to all the virus protocols in place, like you people up there.
We live in a small village of about 1500 people and it still has no cases of the virus recorded to date, so that's good.
Even our local cassowaries, ( a large tropical flightless bird about 5' high, & very colourful) must know the virus is present, and have gorne into hibernation, as I have not seen one since Christmas, lol.
Glad to hear you are still able to work at your job, Steve, as it gives you something to take your mind off all the bad virus news that now abounds.

We hope everyone stays safe wherever you are, and you all get through these most challanging times without any serious problems.

Keith.
Quote
Dmacp
those 249's have a 237 sized burner so they are really robust and I'd prefer a 249 to a 247 any day.  They go longer on kerosene due to the fat generator. The Canadian plating does seem to be better. I have an English one that has great plating too. 
I run my 247 on gasoline. 
Those are really nice examples. Those founts look mint.
Dan
ICCC member #604
Quote
Guff
Hi Dan, Yes, they are a great model and I regard the 249 as one of Coleman's best kerosene lanterns. And I have a lot of their kero models to compare them to.
The fact that Coleman, at least in Canada, manufactured the 249 from 1938 to 1970, (includes the 249 D & E models) without any major changes to it's workings, says that Coleman got the design correct from the beginning, and there was no need to change it. A few cosmetic changes to preheater cups, collars, vents and tip cleaner levers was all they did over that period.
I'm still looking for an English made, or assembled 249, to compare it.

Keith.
Quote
Pancholoco1911

nice looking lanterns, a 247 is still on my wish list but soon I’ll add one for sure. I like kero a lot especially 237’s


These are my only two 249 Scout one is B/49 and the other 3/48

B/42 is mostly steel made, generator is steel and all his guts but gas tip. Came in pretty bad shape like she was thrown in a mud and left all her life there. Vent post was roasted and vent nut too, replaced with period correct ones. Has the copper horseshoe preheating cup but need the retaining clip for her. 

The 3/48 came in great shape just minimal cleaning and added a preheating cup from our sponsor. I still need to find globes for them, I’ve already bought a couple sunrise red Canadians I know they aren’t period correct at least for the B/42. 

Click image for larger version - Name: 7B092E72-C96B-47CE-8350-16FABD0117D7.jpeg, Views: 149, Size: 321.50 KB
~Pancho~
Looking for B-Day lantern 9/83, 7/85

BernzOmatic Appreciation Club #101
Quote
Guff

nice looking lanterns, a 247 is still on my wish list but soon I’ll add one for sure. I like kero a lot especially 237’s

These are my only two 249 Scout one is B/49 and the other 3/48

B/42 is mostly steel made, generator is steel and all his guts but gas tip. 

The 3/48 came in great shape just minimal cleaning and added a preheating cup from our sponsor. . 



 Both of your Canadian 249 Scouts look very nice, and the 3/48 one has nice nickel on the fount.

You say that your B/42 has a steel generator with steel coils inside. Is the pricker needle also steel? I don't think I've seen a Canadian 249 with an all steel generator, but have seen lots of painted steel collars and steel cage base plates from war year dates. Is the steel generator stamped "Coleman Canada" on the generator tube? Would you please be able to post a picture of that steel generator? Sounds interesting.

Your 3/48 model 249 Scout should also have a brass horseshoe preheater cup like your B/42, but finding one of those will be difficult, as you are no doubt aware.

Keith.

  
Quote
Pancholoco1911
@Guff@@Huff yes, all steel. don't remember any stamping but I’ll look closely Click image for larger version - Name: 680E92A5-29C8-46A8-BE6B-602F536966DC.jpeg, Views: 148, Size: 81.06 KB Click image for larger version - Name: CD509E6D-21B5-4F12-8A84-60E35CEF66D0.jpeg, Views: 149, Size: 107.75 KB Click image for larger version - Name: 0768BFBB-2EBD-4657-9892-DFC1558A0E30.jpeg, Views: 146, Size: 76.72 KB Click image for larger version - Name: FAEA3930-2CE8-4B69-9DFE-01137AFE0304.jpeg, Views: 147, Size: 69.61 KB
~Pancho~
Looking for B-Day lantern 9/83, 7/85

BernzOmatic Appreciation Club #101
Quote
Guff
That's interesting. Thanks for posting those pics. First steel 249 generator I've seen.
I was well aware of lots of steel and even aluminium parts being used by Coleman Canada on their war years lanterns, and have seen many examples, but it's a first seeing an all steel 249 generator. Hope I can find one.

Edit. OK, I just checked Matthew Reid's Coleman generator list, and he does have that steel 249 generator listed there, with two steel springs.
It is listed as the normal part # 249-299, but listed as USA made, and unavailable, with the comment "US Built Possible War Time Production".
So it most likely won't have any Coleman Canada markings on it. That's a very good find.

Keith.
Quote
Pancholoco1911
And those two lanterns came from Canada 😁, was working in another deal Coleman 249 A/40 Canadian too but I was clear on what I needed at that time so someone got it. I’ve attached one picture  Click image for larger version - Name: F03CD868-C9B5-4296-B9DF-9643D393FD23.jpeg, Views: 144, Size: 257.17 KB
~Pancho~
Looking for B-Day lantern 9/83, 7/85

BernzOmatic Appreciation Club #101
Quote
Guff
You should have grabbed that one as well.
Canadian 249 Scouts made in 1940 & 1946 years are very hard to find, at least that is the case down here.

Keith.
Quote
Pancholoco1911
Guff wrote:
You should have grabbed that one as well.

Keith.


i know and still regretting until this day. But I’ve been expending my money elsewhere and soon I’ll show my lantern stuff here. I don’t post a lot here because is easier for me to post pictures on Facebook groups. 
~Pancho~
Looking for B-Day lantern 9/83, 7/85

BernzOmatic Appreciation Club #101
Quote
Ridge Runner
Those both look awesome. Like you could just reach into the nickel!

After seeing these, I really need to get my 247 cleaned up and running. I think it will be moved up the line now.

— L.J.
Looking for 10/2015 & 1/2020 B-Day Lanterns
I love the smell of naphtha in the morning!
"Ain’t no need to watch where I’m goin’; just need to know where I’ve been" -Tow Mater

Quote
Doctor9
Regarding the better nickel on the Canadian founts - I think the answer is really basic.  I'm assuming Coleman assigned a *cost* to Nickel Plating (i.e. plating cost not to exceed $x.xx per lantern, with a minimum permissible thickness) If Coleman Canada did its plating in Ontario, well, Sudbury being one of the biggest nickel mines in the world, and local, the cost per gram of nickel was lower, so they could put more *on* and respect the budgeted costs.
"Small though it is, the human brain can be quite effective when used *properly*" The Doctor
Quote
Kgam1020
Beautiful pair! The nickel is perfect. 
Ken.
Looking for Bday lanterns, 10/83, 11/84 and 10/2011.
Milspec Syndicate member #1020 
Quote


...
...
Welcome to the Coleman Collectors Forum, an international forum of Coleman enthusiast and collectors, as such people from all over the world come here to read about Coleman collecting, repair, and to meet and make friends. The pages contained here are intended for the use of amateur collectors and people interested in Coleman collecting, restoration and repair as a hobby. It goes without saying to refrain from political posts, personal attacks and inflammatory posts.

Please note, all postings are the personal opinions of the members posting, the owner, administrators and moderators of the forum do not warrant the accuracy of posted information or endorse the safety of such.