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Ok folks, please add or tag people you know who may have interest in a cold weather, possibly wet camping trip. LOL, thats quite a sales job, huh?

Linus and I have been planning a winter trip to Pinnacles for what will likely be early winter. I am in favor of a mid January trip but open to any and all suggestions. I suggest we work out details as a group and try an include the classiccampstove.com group as this is a bit closer to some of those folks on that forum.

Chime in, and lets get a date nailed down for Pinnacles so those who need to calendar this have time to do so. We also need to nail down the atual sites. I will go first and propose Jan 12/13. I just looked those dates up and ALL sites are currently available. Any recommendations on particular site groupings or loops? Please mention if you need RV hookups to as that affects grouping.  Thanks! Click image for larger version - Name: Coleman Camping Flyer 2019.jpg, Views: 330, Size: 103.69 KB Click image for larger version - Name: 205E7C40-040F-49BD-AA9D-380DF46910EA.jpeg, Views: 178, Size: 96.98 KB
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Map for discussion. Click image for larger version - Name: 74A5C4D4-5EB2-4483-B7AF-7815D6E1834C.jpeg, Views: 391, Size: 56.72 KB
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I like the back loop that starts around 58-83. It has more vegetation and more privacy but maybe not as good for a group event.

The section from 24-48 is ok - it is more open and maybe better for us


the other side 84-114 is all RV sites with no trees


I dont remember anything about the group sites or the sites from 124-134 or 6-13


My vote is still going to be for the back loop- but as far as i can tell some sites  through the park are first come first serve during winter.

A venturesome minority will always be eager to set off on their own, and no obstacles should be placed in their path; let them take risks, for godsake, let them get lost, sunburnt, stranded, drowned, eaten by bears, buried alive under avalanches - that is the right and privilege of any free American

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Linus Tremaine
im going to suggest 66-78 area


http://npmaps.com/wp-content/uploads/pinnacles-campground-map.jpg

https://www.campsitephotos.com/campground/ca/pinnacles/photos/pinnacles-national-monument-071

A venturesome minority will always be eager to set off on their own, and no obstacles should be placed in their path; let them take risks, for godsake, let them get lost, sunburnt, stranded, drowned, eaten by bears, buried alive under avalanches - that is the right and privilege of any free American

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Rhubarb
Doesn't the NPS have a pretty strong policy against late-night-bright-light rituals? 
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Rfieldbuilds
Hey Andy, do you know something we dont? Im a kinda guy who believes in forgiveness rather than permission. In any event we will be into a first half cycle of the moon so we ahould not be dealing with an astronomy crew ina camp next to us. Am I missing something else?

RF
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Rhubarb
Maybe it's dependant on the park. MotorcycleDan might be able to give an educated opinion on the subject  
Andy in NV ICCC #1253 
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MotorcycleDan
Rhubarb wrote:
Doesn't the NPS have a pretty strong policy against late-night-bright-light rituals? 


There should not be any issue with having a bunch of lanterns going. Just as long as they are not lighting up the site next to you or disturbing anybody else. If there is a complaint, a ranger will just ask to turn some off. If you don't, the ticket book comes out. Yes, there is a regulation for to much light at night! I mainly used it for people bringing 500W shop lights to light up their site.

I would recommend getting a group site.

The six people max per single family site is highly enforced. So, having all the lanterns in one site and everyone at that site working on GPA's will not work. Unless you only get 6 people that show up. If you get a group site, you can have the max listed people in that site. The group sites are spread out a little more and are away from the main part of the campground. No one should complain then. 

If there are folks that need a site with hookups, they are still welcome to go to the group site and hang out. 

Any other questions on NPS regulations let me know. 
Dan ICCC #900
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Rfieldbuilds
Thanks Dan! Super helpful insight. Hope retirement is keeping you happy. Thats great that as soon as you retire we put you to work here. With friends like us..... LOL.
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Rhubarb
Thanks for the input, Dan.

Randy and Linus, I'd very much like to commit to attending, but I don't know if I can. Crossing the Sierras in winter is always a bit dicey. Just ask John Denton. I
Andy in NV ICCC #1253 
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Rhubarb wrote:
Thanks for the input, Dan.

Randy and Linus, I'd very much like to commit to attending, but I don't know if I can. Crossing the Sierras in winter is always a bit dicey. Just ask John Denton. I


Or George Donner.....
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Rfieldbuilds
So True!. I suppose all winter camping plans are tentative when a crossing of the Sierras is needed. Everyone is welcomed and encouraged. Those who can, will. Mostly its great to hear from you guys, so thanks for chiming in!
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outlawmws
I'm definitely interested!  Are the group sites setup for tent trailers at all?  Do they have fire pits?  (I'm assuming the "no fires rules will be off in Jan...)
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Google maps and the site info helped - all sites have a fire ring, and some looked open enough to accommodate a tent trailer.  Maybe I'l have some VACA coming by then and can take an extra day or so? (New Job)
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Rfieldbuilds
Outlaw! Awesome!
Randy

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Linus Tremaine
PINNACLES GROUP PROJECT:

FRANKENLANTERN

It was an idea we had at the last campout - lets built a frankie. Bring your spare parts!

I think randy probably has a few........
L

A venturesome minority will always be eager to set off on their own, and no obstacles should be placed in their path; let them take risks, for godsake, let them get lost, sunburnt, stranded, drowned, eaten by bears, buried alive under avalanches - that is the right and privilege of any free American

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Linus Tremaine
After lots of wasted time trying to figure out what was going on with the NPS reservation site, i think that some of the sites in the loop we wanted are already reserved. SO we are switching to the section containing sites 57-65

I think that sites below #60 are first come first serve during the off season meaning you cannot reserve them for this event, but they may be open. 

Randy and I will be in sites 61 and 62 which leaves 60,63,64,65 and then near by sites up to 69 available as well as 79-83 which are directly across. 

GET EM WHILE THE GETTINS GOOD

L

A venturesome minority will always be eager to set off on their own, and no obstacles should be placed in their path; let them take risks, for godsake, let them get lost, sunburnt, stranded, drowned, eaten by bears, buried alive under avalanches - that is the right and privilege of any free American

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Note that camping fees do not include vehicle entry fee into the park, so you get hit twice. 

Its worth it though!

L

A venturesome minority will always be eager to set off on their own, and no obstacles should be placed in their path; let them take risks, for godsake, let them get lost, sunburnt, stranded, drowned, eaten by bears, buried alive under avalanches - that is the right and privilege of any free American

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hikerduane
I have a NP pass so could get in free. However, don't care to drive so far, that's even further than Walnut Creek. If anyone from Reno/western Nevada area or even Sac, Chico might go and willing to drive, I could meet somewhere along the way, I can get us in the Park and pay for some gas. IF, you have room for Repo's crate and not staying too late on that Sunday, maybe even willing to get there a day early and split a campsite would be great. I'd stick to bringing my camping gear, camp box tote and a couple stoves, lanterns maybe. PM me.
Duane
Duane-All seasons, year round backpacker and camper.  So many stoves who's counting.
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outlawmws
So is this locked in for Jan 12/13?

Also,  it looks like you guys booked Fri and Sat, but not Sunday?

I have to take my daughter up to Eureka sometime in Jan, working possible conflicts... [Edit]  all seems good,  we take her the following W/E...

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Rats, a bit too far for me........
 
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Outlaw
If your looking at the sites on the reservation site you’ll see that Sunday shows as available because we check out at 11 so technically someone else could rent the site for Sunday night. I reserved a site for myself and another for Randy for Friday night and Saturday night
L

A venturesome minority will always be eager to set off on their own, and no obstacles should be placed in their path; let them take risks, for godsake, let them get lost, sunburnt, stranded, drowned, eaten by bears, buried alive under avalanches - that is the right and privilege of any free American

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outlawmws
Got it!  thx!
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outlawmws
OK, reservation process is NOT very obvious but I got through it.  #60 is reserved.
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Rfieldbuilds
Glad you got through it Outlaw. Franky build off sounds good too! I made a flyer and am attaching it. I finished before Linus told me about the Frankie thing or I would have added it. I guess that can be one of our contests. Matt also mentioned running a contest should we have enough people to make it worthwhile. Click image for larger version - Name: Coleman Camping Flyer 2019.jpg, Views: 309, Size: 23.23 KB
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Nice work randy-
we will be looking to you to provide parts for the frankie. Outlaw and I already spoke about it and we dont have anything to contribute. Will be looking between now and then. I dont know what matt has in mind.
L

A venturesome minority will always be eager to set off on their own, and no obstacles should be placed in their path; let them take risks, for godsake, let them get lost, sunburnt, stranded, drowned, eaten by bears, buried alive under avalanches - that is the right and privilege of any free American

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Rfieldbuilds
Are we all building frankies or just one as a group?
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Linus Tremaine
Good question randy - 
I had just assumed it would be a group effort but an individual effort/competition would be fun. Personally I have nothing to make one with and little interest in having one so.... maybe we can do both? Some people can make their own if they want or we can all work on one. 

L

A venturesome minority will always be eager to set off on their own, and no obstacles should be placed in their path; let them take risks, for godsake, let them get lost, sunburnt, stranded, drowned, eaten by bears, buried alive under avalanches - that is the right and privilege of any free American

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outlawmws
I may have parts other than a lamp fount that Linus asked about, but I also have an oversize stove tank and I would love to frank that into a stove (double the fuel capacity...)  its not as easy as one might think!  Transport storage is a problem (too big in a standard suitcase) and the genny is an orphan...

I can also bring some tools and taps and the like for fabrication...  Std fettling tools are not likely to be enough..

Pic of the big tank vs. a standard tank:

Frank tank.jpg 


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“A Human Being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, give orders, take orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook  a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.  Specialization is for insects.”            - Lazarus Long


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cannonball191
Linus Tremaine wrote:
I dont know what matt has in mind.

Nobody ever does.
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corky569
Too bad. This seems like a very cool spot, just a little far for me. I sold my trailer already this year, was wanting to take my Samurai to let it hang out with Outlaws!
Tom in Reno
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Rfieldbuilds
Corky,
Yeah, we had the summer/fall gig up by your place earlier this year. Hope we catch ya on the next one.
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Rfieldbuilds
Outlaw is in
Linus is in.
Randy is in.

Matt? You gonna make it?

I do have invites out to a few others on here and some FB sites but not sure how many, if any are committed. Everyone is invited and there should be room at Pinnacles campground that weekend if anyone else wants a site. I’m sure we can take some extra tents in there too if anyone wanted to share a site. Another collector feom Sonoma is talking about bringing his trailer so I am guessing he will have his own site with hookups.

Duane, did nt you say there was a fellow collector close to Monterey area? Pinnacles is really close to there. Click image for larger version - Name: 805BCDA8-9408-4BA0-A0A7-17655D29950E.jpeg, Views: 184, Size: 96.98 KB
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codemaster1
Wish I could , son getting married, and my goal thus next year is get motorhome, thanks though for keeping me informed
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outlawmws
One of my lifelong friends thinks he may be able to make this as well!  No other reservations by us so far... 

Does anyone know if there are in/out privileges while camping here?
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“A Human Being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, give orders, take orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook  a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.  Specialization is for insects.”            - Lazarus Long


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Rfieldbuilds
Thats aweosme Outlaw! Cant wait to lay eyes your new draggin wagon, LOL. I know how nuch work has gone into it and we need to get some pics posted up on the forum of it in use.
I’ve invited a few more including everyone I can find online from Northern and Central CA. including GrayClay.

I believe in and outs are fine once camp fees are paid. They should issue us a window sticker receipt good for a week I believe.

I will likely be bringing my matching set of Arklite 777’s for you guys to checkout. I dont believe a set of two has ever been discovered within the collectors world.
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MartyJ
Hey fellas, don’t frequent this site but do often go on CCS and saw the post. I am dying for a trip out and don’t see why I can’t make it. I checked with the supreme boss and got a kitchen pass. Should be a 4-5 hour drive so not bad by California standards. I’ve hiked the West side of Pinnacles and it is a great place. I’m a tent camper so hook-ups aren’t an issue. I have several stoves I could use some advice on how best to repair. Many of my repair attempts seem a little lacking. I will attempt to reserve a spot in the groups area. Marty
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I have #64 reserved. It was a chore but I am easily confused. 64 looks fairlyprotect for foul weather. I will be using a big dome and a pop up canopy so would like to stay out of the wind. Rain is just an expected hazard for this time of year.

Looking forward to meeting you guys.
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Rfieldbuilds
Great Marty! Bring your stoves and lanterns. We will do our best to help out. Always fun to fettle something new. Glad you can make it. I too will likely do an EZ up over tent option and maybe even add a cot to get up off of the wet ground. See you in a few weeks!
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Thanks Randy. I still have a leaky valve in my 3f. I will bring it and Teflon packing and hope someone will take pity. I recently acquired a pristine 228D that needs a maiden voyage with me. I also recently ordered a new kerosene lantern taking advantage of the sale, 20% coupon and free shipping. Hopefully it will be here in time.

I try not to camp uncomfortably. I will have a cot, chair, table etc. too old not to be in some degree of comfort. See you then.
Marty
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MotorcycleDan
I will not be able to make this one. My daughter is coming up for a visit that weekend. Hope everyone has a great time!
Dan ICCC #900
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GrayClay
Thank you for the invite Randy. I won't be able to make this trip, too many other things going on then.
I'm just checking in here to be on the list for future events in Northern California.
(...not really needed as I always check here for local events anyway)
Have fun, stay warm and dry, cook something good on your stoves and ovens too!
Clay. Sierra Foothills, California
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I may drive over for the day.  It's only about 3 hours for me.  I've got plenty of stuff, I mean gems, to unload.

I hope everyone is familiar with Pinnacles NP.  There is no vehicle passage from the west entrance via Soledad to the east side where the campground is.  Just in case you've seen signs for Pinnacles NP over on the west side.  You must enter the east side of the park!


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outlawmws
OK, I have a frank project to build in camp!  A 275 fount, under a 242C most everything else!  The 275 fount has an oversize fine pipe thread that seems to be 3/8.  The 242 valve has 1/8 pipe...  Supposedly you can tap the fount bung to standard 3/8 pipe? - I need to check on who did that, and how well it worked.   [sCo_idk] 

I think the pickup feed needs to be shortened.  (so the rod as well)

So a 242C+ a 275 becomes a 24275C?

12 more oz. of fuel should increase the burn time by 60%!

The base diameter goes from 4.-7/8 to 6-3/4, so a much more stable 38% bigger...

About 1/2" shorter...

And I have the 5X10" aluminum RR reflector to add as a "brim extender" (vs the 228 vent I've seen on the inspiration for this one)

Green Steel Vent - I'd LOVE to find s 243 Aluminum vent...

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“A Human Being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, give orders, take orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook  a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.  Specialization is for insects.”            - Lazarus Long


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Wondering how the looming Govt shut down will affect the Park? Saw an article that it will be case by case. May be over by then.
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Rfieldbuilds
MartyJ wrote:
Wondering how the looming Govt shut down will affect the Park? Saw an article that it will be case by case. May be over by then.


I am optomistic the park will not be negatively affected. If so, a possible plan B is that we look at Hollister OHV park or move closer to the coast. I’m speaking to someone today about this exact topic.
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outlawmws
Randy,  just a few miles away is BLM land.  Not sure camping is allowed, but I don't see why not?  First in would need to find a place big enough though.  I haven't been in there is a number of years now...
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“A Human Being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, give orders, take orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook  a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.  Specialization is for insects.”            - Lazarus Long


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outlawmws
Panoche Hills:

It has dispersed camping only, you must park withing 15 ft of a road.   They do have a day facility, and in the event of a shutdown, they should be open.  (services would not be open)

https://www.blm.gov/visit/panoche-hills
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“A Human Being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, give orders, take orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook  a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.  Specialization is for insects.”            - Lazarus Long


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outlawmws
This does NOT sound good...  Pinnacles Web site:

The lapse in funding for the Federal government may impact your reservation and travel plans.

  • Be aware that if you have an existing reservation during this lapse of funding period, and the location is not staffed, your reservation may not be honored.
  • We recommend that you do not make reservations for dates that fall within the lapse in funding timeframe, which begins at 12 am, Saturday, December 22 and extends for an unknown period. Some locations will remain open, while others will close. Contact those local offices to inquire about their status.
  • In addition, interagency and site-specific passes will not be sold during the lapse in funding period.
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“A Human Being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, give orders, take orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook  a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.  Specialization is for insects.”            - Lazarus Long


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MotorcycleDan
That is a concession run campground if I remember right. It is not operated by the NPS. Most NPS sites are keeping the gates open. There is no visitor center, campground talks, or maintenance other than keeping the water and sewer running. Only law enforcement and a few maintenance employees are kept on during a shutdown. I would call the campground directly and see what is up. 
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