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robndenver
Hey all,  I've just done some work on our 40 year old Coleman 220 Double Mantle Lantern.   I took it down to the valve, replaced the pump, the generator and the mantles.  I replaced the old fuel with new gas.    When I put I was putting it back together I checked the valve by opening it a hair to hear that I had pressure coming through it, before I installed the new generator.   

Now, I have no fuel coming through the valve to the generator.  I know that the pump is fine, feeling the pressure and hearing the his when I open the fill valve a skosh. . .I've spun the cleaning lever both directions, checked the position of the generator pin for binding, and worked the valve open and closed a dozen turns. . . 

I'm hoping someone can tell me what I am missing?
Rob in Denver
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Chucker
Welcome Rob.

The quick answer is, fill with fuel, pump up 30x, open valve all the way OR open it one turn and tip the lantern on its side and be ready to either light it or spin the cleaner and light, then tighten the valve closed until the flames die down. Yes, it can be a dramatic experience. 

The long answer is - you probably have a fuel/air issue. After all these years the fuel rod is probably sticking in the 'down' position in the F/A tube in the fount when you open the valve. The hiss you hear is from the air in the fount you pumped in. It will take a valve removal and cleaning of the bits to have confidence in it. 
Chuck
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Harlan
Yep ! What he said . The air is coming from the air inlet at the Top of the pick up tube . The little fuel rod at the bottom is crudded over and stuck , stopping the fuel from coming in. Pull the valve .
Harlan Davenport
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robndenver
Thanks guys. . I am making progress, just not there quite yet.   So, I pulled the fount off the tank, using the workmate/and strap wrench technique.   You are right,  the fuel pickup tube was funky.   Cleaned it thoroughly and used steel wool on the thin piston, checked that I could see daylight in the end of the tube and put that back together. 

Sprayed Carb/throttle cleaner through the fount (valve assembly and made sure I could feel air through the valve after I sprayed the carb cleaner through the bottom to the top where the generator hook will go.   I opened and closed the valve half a dozen times and sprayed carb cleaner in both the open and closed positions to try and work out any gunk that might be in there.  Took the cap nut off the control side and cleaned some grime off of the valve stem. I didn't pull the valve stem all the way out, as there was resistance when fully open and I didn't want to strip or break anything.   

I have a new generator, and had replaced the pump this morning.   I had run a long wire and a zip tie up into the manifold and made sure there were no spider webs or other gunk in the tubes.  I hit them hard with compressed air too.   

After a trip to the hardware store for a tube of Permatex that will last me until I am 80 I started putting every thing back together.  I put the fuel feed tube back on the fount, then after I had added a dab of gasket sealer to the threads, I put the fount back on the tank. 

I put the ring back on the top of the tank, then put the control knob back on and made sure the open/close graphic was set correctly.   I connected the generator to the fount, then tightened it.   I put the body back on the lamp, over the generator and then put the manifold in the body and over the generator.  I tightened the manifold up with the washer that holds everything together.  I put new mantles on the manifolds.  After I did that, I put the globe on the lamp and secured the top.  

I filled the tank with new Coleman brand fuel and pumped the tank until I had considerable resistance.  Ready for launch!  When I turned the control knob, I hear a very faint hissing, not what I was used to hearing when the lamp was in good working order.   On I went, holding a light under the lighting hole and whoosh.  Then nothing.   Let the mantles fill again and whoosh, then nothing.   There was enough atomized fuel in the globe to ignite, but not to remain burning.   

I took everything apart including the fount from the tank, came in and made me a scotch, which I am drinking as I type this narrative.   Where, oh where should I be looking to fix this issue?
Rob in Denver
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Jeepstircrazy
How is the seal on your fuel cap?
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74HARLEY
Ok, let's start at the beginning. Have you checked the fuel cap for leakage?
If good, you need to remove the valve from the fount, and remove the fuel/airtube from the valve and really clean the tube and the rod. Steel wool works well. Clean the hole at the bottom with a toothpick. Make sure the spring pushes the rod up. Test for fuel delivery before reassembly.
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hikerduane
Put the genny on the valve before adding the cage, burner etc., pressurize the fount, then open the valve and see if you can get a stream or spray of fuel.  Usually after all anyone has done, the pricker has to be rotated to clear the genny tip.
Duane
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zoomkat
When you had the valve assembly out of the tank, did you operate the fuel valve and verify the fuel control rod retracts up out of the fuel orifice at the bottom of the fuel pickup tube?
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Rhubarb
Harlan wrote:
Yep ! What he said . The air is coming from the air inlet at the Top of the pick up tube . The little fuel rod at the bottom is crudded over and stuck , stopping the fuel from coming in. Pull the valve .
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holliswood
Did you check and rinse the fount several times? I noticed you didn’t mention checking the inside of the fount (fuel tank) for any debris. If I remember correctly, the K’s have a brownish liner inside the fount that can gradually come loose in flakes that can stop up the F/A Tube no matter how many times you clean the whole valve assembly. 
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Tigerfans2
74HARLEY wrote:
Ok, let's start at the beginning. Have you checked the fuel cap for leakage?
If good, you need to remove the valve from the fount, and remove the fuel/airtube from the valve and really clean the tube and the rod. Steel wool works well. Clean the hole at the bottom with a toothpick. Make sure the spring pushes the rod up. Test for fuel delivery before reassembly.


^ chemically AND mechanically cleaning that little hole is required
And I might add, take it outside, remove the genny, pump it up, open the valve. If it makes a mess you're good to go, if it only passes air, well... air don't burn so good.
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Chucker
What Duane said is most likely and easiest potential fix, IMO.

If you can open the valve and get it to light in a 'whoosh' you have fuel/air getting to the generator and out the tip. But it stops. So rotate that pricker lever if it goes out, light, and it should stay running. 
Chuck
"...we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope" Romans 5:3-4
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zoomkat
As best as I remember, the fuel control rod protrudes out of the fuel pickup tube a little bit when the rod is in the down position. This makes the orifice some what self clearing unless there is a small pool of muck at the center bottom of the tank. A to do project when the lanterns come out this fall is making something to unstick a stuck fuel rod without taking the lantern apart.
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robndenver
Ok guys.  I am soaking the valve and the removed fuel rod for a couple of days in heavy duty carb dip. . . In the meantime, I cleaned and shined up my  413G Stove, replaced its pump and generator and it fired right up and ran great!   So I am 1 for 2 with my Coleman gear!    
Rob in Denver
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