200A and 202 reproduction
frames back
in stock.
Jecsd1 Show full post »
Gand28
Why don’t you ask Mike for certainty?

Although I believe he sold out of all the Philippine Peerless mantles long before the factory started ip again in India.
Greg -- Fiat Lux!
ICCC Member #1273
Seeker of Canadian Nickel!
Quote
pongo
[15513832717071710789256]


[1551383297784472735577]
Phil
Quote
pongo
I have had good results with these on 200As. On the two 220s I tried these on, the mantles gave way right under the string area.
Phil
Quote
Mister Wilson
pongo wrote:
On the two 220s I tried these on, the mantles gave way right under the string area.


I've heard of this happening also, but haven't used them enough myself to experience it.
John
H.C. Lanterns dealer
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate #2001 A Turd's Odyssey
Canadian Blues #028
Coleman Slant Saver #31
Looking for 6-56 and 6-58 Birthday lanterns.
There's been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about.
Quote
Judamonster
I did ask mike directly, i am sure i will get a response. Most sellers have the old picture. I would buy more old stock if someone had it, otherwise i will just burn what i have for now. I just have confusion as it seems the India mantles are made with thorium again, but they break easily. No personal experience tho.
Quote
Mister Wilson
I had an email exchange with Mr. Karnani in India about the mantles occasionally breaking easily at the burner cap.  These concerns and reports came from Amish using them on Leacock lamps which have essentially the same burner as a 220F.  He stated that thorium treated mantles are not as strong as yttrium treated mantles and didn't think it was a fair comparison between new production thorium from India and old production yttrium from the Philippines.  I have never before heard of one being stronger than the other, so I don't have an informed opinion on that.  Anybody?
John
H.C. Lanterns dealer
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate #2001 A Turd's Odyssey
Canadian Blues #028
Coleman Slant Saver #31
Looking for 6-56 and 6-58 Birthday lanterns.
There's been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about.
Quote
REJ2
Mister Wilson wrote:
I had an email exchange with Mr. Karnani in India about the mantles occasionally breaking easily at the burner cap.  These concerns and reports came from Amish using them on Leacock lamps which have essentially the same burner as a 220F.  He stated that thorium treated mantles are not as strong as yttrium treated mantles and didn't think it was a fair comparison between new production thorium from India and old production yttrium from the Philippines.  I have never before heard of one being stronger than the other, so I don't have an informed opinion on that.  Anybody?


Odd that he doesn't believe the comparison to be fair, if the mantle doesn't withstand its general intended use, he won't be selling any to me. I've got a fair supply of old ones for the time being.
Bob    
Never, ever, leave behind a $5 lamp
MilSpecOps Syndicate #016
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate #0131
Coleman Blues 243 #86
BernzOmatic Appreciation Club #047
ICCC #1574
Quote
dnishimura01
I got some new Peerless. I burned them in and started to pump my 220 up. Before I noticed the two mantles fell apart. No t sure if this is a isolated incident but it happened never before using peerless. Used four mantles before I even started to light the lantern.
The Secret Asian Man. Who lives a life of danger. They given me a user Id and taken away my Name.
Quote
JimL
It hasn't been that long since the older Peerless were thorium.  They only stopped when they did because they could no longer source the thorium in a format/formula that could be used in mantles.  If the new folks want to compare apples to apples, I don't recall any complaints about the older Peerless thorium mantles.  Maybe the new folks are following a different manufacturing process and they should confirm what differences there may be.

-Jim

Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?
Quote
rob_pontius
JimL wrote:
It hasn't been that long since the older Peerless were thorium.  They only stopped when they did because they could no longer source the thorium in a format/formula that could be used in mantles.  If the new folks want to compare apples to apples, I don't recall any complaints about the older Peerless thorium mantles.  Maybe the new folks are following a different manufacturing process and they should confirm what differences there may be.
My thoughts exactly. The old peerless and the old silk-lites were tough as nails. Thorium makes them weaker, I don't think so. I'm glad that I have a good, long time supply of the old ones. The Lancaster were the best, but they were discontinued as a result of the peerless sale.
Quote
Mister Wilson
Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I told him that having just started production, I was sure that their processes would continue to improve and that we all would continue to enjoy the quality mantles that have always been associated with the Peerless name.  I certainly hope that's the case.
John
H.C. Lanterns dealer
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate #2001 A Turd's Odyssey
Canadian Blues #028
Coleman Slant Saver #31
Looking for 6-56 and 6-58 Birthday lanterns.
There's been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about.
Quote
pongo
[20190301-093336]

This new Indian made Peerless was installed on 2/15/19. I have probably ran the lantern a few times for a total of 2hrs. The mantle looks to be fine.



[20190301-093043]


This pair is from the same pack as above. These were installed 2/4/19. On 2/6/19, I noticed mantle debris on the burner frame. Failure on the right mantle, near the burner cap-horizontal split.
Phil
Quote
Ciancio
Tested out my new peerless that I got from OCP and I must say I'm a little disappointed. I decided to do a side by side on my 228C with an old Coleman Gold Top. The peerless burned in nicer but once they were lit the Gold Top blew it away, even after running for awhile there was a very clear difference. I don't know if maybe having two different mantles on the same lantern caused it? I will try the other one on a 200A but I'm definitely not sold at this point

Note: it looks like pictures are still not loading today. I'll try again once that problem is fixed
Quote
JimL
>>Tested out my new peerless that I got from OCP and I must say I'm a little disappointed.

What size mantles were you using?  2C-HG and #21's?

-Jim

Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?
Quote
pateco
Coleman #21 on left Peerless 2C-HG on right

21 Peerless 2.jpg 

21 Peerless 3.jpg 

21 Peerless 4.jpg 


Life is a Beach

BernzOmatic Appreciation Club #049
Quote
JimL
pateco wrote:
Coleman #21 on left Peerless 2C-HG on right



Neither mantle appears filled out.  I wouldn't judge anything based on this.

-Jim

Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?
Quote
pateco
JimL wrote:


Neither mantle appears filled out.  I wouldn't judge anything based on this.


Here is the peerless 2C-HG on the right with an Egret 300-400cp Round mantle on the same lantern
egret - peerless 2.jpg 
Life is a Beach

BernzOmatic Appreciation Club #049
Quote
Donnellym
I’ll throw my hat in the ring I guess. I have used some of the new Peerless 2C-HG and I am also disappointed compared to the old ones and even coleman string tie 21’s. First, I have not had a single new mantle fill out to the nice round shape I have grown accustomed to with the old style Peerless. Secondly and more importantly to me they are very yellow burning instead of the white bright light I am accustomed to.

I’ll admit I am ignorant to the thorium / yittrium conversation. I never gave it much thought because I never noticed and designation on my packaging. I just know the string tie 21 coleman and the Origional peerless 2c-hg I was getting from OCP definitely put out a superior, whiter light than the new peerless 2c-hg.

Fortunately I don’t have too many of the new style and based on the the failure rates I read here they shouldn’t last long. I am a little leery of them developing a failure hole while burning a valuable older globe. I am lucky enough to have a decent supply of the old style peerless and hope the quality continues to improve.
Mark
Quote
thezman
I’ve seen the old and the new ones. In the sample I saw you could see there was a slight difference in the weave.
The Mennonite guy I buy from sells tons of mantles, the next time I see him I will get an updated report from the people that rely on these on a daily basis.
I'm Larry most of the time.
Quote
Jecsd1
thezman wrote:
I’ve seen the old and the new ones. In the sample I saw you could see there was a slight difference in the weave.
The Mennonite guy I buy from sells tons of mantles, the next time I see him I will get an updated report from the people that rely on these on a daily basis.


Much appreciated! Thanks.
Jason

Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate # 1080
The Coleman Blue's 243's #1080

Quote
Carolina Tar Heel
I'm new to this, but have owned a few Coleman lanterns over the years. I ordered 4 packs of Peerless mantles put two on my lantern lite them off according to directions pumped the lantern up an lite the lantern done good for a minute or two mantle cracked @ the base, mantles are very delicate as far as I'm concerned
Oh they are 2C-HG
Paul Martin
Quote
Ohio blue tips
New peerless mantles results (India). I have had zero issues with 7 mantles. I have no way of telling if they are thorium or not but they are supposed to be. The one really yellow picture is me messing with camara settings it doesn't actually look like that.(285 dual fuel)
Ordered from old coleman parts last week.
Quote
Ohio blue tips
Can't get the pictures to show up that I tried to post.
If anyone has suggestions let me know. (android)
Quote
JimL
Ohio blue tips wrote:
Can't get the pictures to show up that I tried to post.
If anyone has suggestions let me know. (android)


Just so you know, many people are currently having that issue.

-Jim

Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?
Quote
Ohio blue tips
JimL wrote:


Just so you know, many people are currently having that issue.
Thanks I'm a little behind on the forum because I gave my lantern hobby a break for the past 6 months while I was thru hiking. Truth is my friend needed mantles so I sent him a link to old Coleman parts and had him get me some. I knew right away that they were not the same when I first opened a pack. Did some research and found out the situation. I bought 6 4 packs!
Quote
Ciancio
Ok, lets try this again. here are the pictures from start to finish
GoldTop unburnedA.jpg
GoldTop burnedA.jpg 
Coleman #21 string tie

 Peerless unburnedA.jpg 
Peerless burnedA.jpg 
Peerless 2C-HG

StartA.jpg 
@ valve full open. (Left:#21 gold top. Right: Peerless 2C-HG)

10minA.jpg 
After running 10min.

The Peerless burned in better and quicker. both filled out nicely but the Peerless just never really lit up.
Like I said, I don't know if them being a different size is to blame and will have to try on a 200A later but the GoldTop won hands down in this case Click image for larger version - Name: 10minA.jpg, Views: 423, Size: 123.17 KB Click image for larger version - Name: GoldTop burnedA.jpg, Views: 576, Size: 146.44 KB
Click image for larger version - Name: GoldTop unburnedA.jpg, Views: 593, Size: 166.51 KB Click image for larger version - Name: Peerless burnedA.jpg, Views: 555, Size: 151.63 KB Click image for larger version - Name: Peerless unburnedA.jpg, Views: 575, Size: 168.22 KB Click image for larger version - Name: StartA.jpg, Views: 419, Size: 144.21 KB
Quote
pongo
Ciancio,

I have had the best results so far on a 200A. I hope they work better for you on a 200A.



[20190314-225319]

[20190314-225334]


Phil
Quote
Mister Wilson
Ciancio,

I have had the best results so far on a 200A. I hope they work better for you on a 200A. /QUOTE]

That's been my experience so far too, they fill out better on a 200A.  Larger diameter burner cap helps maybe?
John
H.C. Lanterns dealer
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate #2001 A Turd's Odyssey
Canadian Blues #028
Coleman Slant Saver #31
Looking for 6-56 and 6-58 Birthday lanterns.
There's been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about.
Quote
UKARNANI
Hey, all you guys who are having issues with our PEERLESS mantles, please inform me your name and complete street address. I will send a few pieces of our Thorium 2C-HG and Thorium 24-A for you to test and use. My email id is ukarnani@auerlicht.com

Lets make the cut off date for sending your name and complete street address March 20, 2019.
Umesh Karnani
Quote
Donnellym
That’s a very nice offer. Thank you.
Email sent
Mark
Quote
stoves1234
One more kick at the dead horse; it's too bad that we can't count on Coleman mantles for our Coleman lantenrns.
Jim Brizzolara
Quote
Ciancio
stoves1234 wrote:
One more kick at the dead horse; it's too bad that we can't count on Coleman mantles for our Coleman lantenrns.


I have (knock on wood) never had problems with Coleman mantles. Just read the Peerless were a lot brighter and wanted to give them a try.
Quote
MotorcycleDan
stoves1234 wrote:
One more kick at the dead horse; it's too bad that we can't count on Coleman mantles for our Coleman lantenrns.


I don't have any problems with Coleman Mantles. They burn great and I have had only a couple that have had holes in them at first burn. And those were #99's. On some lanterns they burn bright white, others a little yellow. I don't freak out like some here do when this happens. I feel it is more the lantern than the mantle. 
Dan ICCC #900
ICCC Treasure
Quote
thezman
Talked to my Mennoite guy and he said they are not impressed with the new ones.
Difficult to tie as the string binds on itself before it cinches onto the burner, they are not filling out fully, and they are breaking up high near the burner cap.
I tried one on a 200 and it filled pretty good, but not quite as good as the old ones. Brightness seemed acceptable. Something is not the same.
I'm Larry most of the time.
Quote
JimL
If you look at post #56, it appears they're not taking responsibility but instead are blaming thorium for 'weak mantles'.   Until they acknowledge there's an issue, they likely won't be getting any better.

The prior Peerless company only stopped using thorium because they could no longer source it in the format/mixture they needed for the mantles.  The prior Peerless thorium mantles did not have a reputation for being weak.

-Jim

Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?
Quote
rob_pontius
I couldn't have said it better Jim. The new mantles are clearly much thinner than the old ones.
Quote
zoomkat
At least an offer to send some test mantles has been made. For those that get the mantles I would suggest setting up a good comparison test lantern to see how well the mantles burn. Also make a pre burn inspection to compare the weave/construction of the old mantles to the new mantles. I just finished the second test tank of fuel in my new 285A and one of the supplied Coleman #21 string tie mantles already has a small hole and slit in the side.
Quote
mnhogrider
I’d be interested to know why mantle manufacturers don’t go back to the coarse weave heavier thread mantles like the older silk lites.
Steve
ICCC Member #1396 
BernzOmatic Appreciation Club #017
Mack, Cat and Cadillac.
Quote
xvz12
I'm just i glad i had a box of each size on hand, & i immediately bought another box of 2C-HG when I heard the plant was closing....should give them plenty of time to work the bugs out before I need more,
Wynn - xvz12

ICCC#1560
MilSpecOps Syndicate #77
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate #0150
Looking for almost anything kero...[wink]
Quote
pagrey
mnhogrider wrote:
I’d be interested to know why mantle manufacturers don’t go back to the coarse weave heavier thread mantles like the older silk lites.


American Mantle 8003 is a coarse weave. They work well on small singles like 200/242 but not so good on the twins.
Paul
Quote
holliswood
Just a curious question and a general observation here:
1: I’ve bought about 15 packs of Coleman 21A mantles, three packs of Peerless 2C-HG mantles, and some bogus 500CP mantles from October-December of 2018. The only mantles I had trouble with was the bogus 500cp mantles. All of the other ones have been perfect.

2: Last week my dad who is almost 80, who still does alot of work with his hands, tied a mantle on last week. His finger tips are course and split some during the winter. He tied on a 21A out of a pack that I’ve had no issues with. Upon lighting it, a small whole appeared that wasn’t noticeable before burning in. So, could it be course fingertips causing small tears in the mantle fabric? The whole appeared on the logo side about 1/8 of an inch below the string.
Mil-SpecOps #1278
snipesfred on Insta
Quote
JimL
Not likely that coarse, dry hands would have in any way caused a hole in the mantle.  You'd likely have a better chance of accidentally punching a hole with the scissors when trimming the string. 


Edit: Removed reference to Coleman mantles as this thread is really focused on the new Peerless mantles.

-Jim

Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?
Quote
thezman
The fabric is pretty durable before you burn them in, so I doubt it was caused by your Dad.
Newer Coleman 21A’s have a history of developing holes, so I would lay the blame on Coleman.
I'm Larry most of the time.
Quote
holliswood
I wasn’t sure if it might be an overlooked issue but figured I’d throw that tidbit out there.

Thought fingertip roughness was across the board for all brands of mantles. Sorry for being vague on that.
Mil-SpecOps #1278
snipesfred on Insta
Quote
UKARNANI
Packages with mantles from our current production have been mailed to all those who emailed / posted their name and address. The packages should be delivered within the forthcoming week. All please thoroughly test the mantles and post your results / findings. Do also send your results / findings to me at ukarnani@auerlicht.com
Umesh Karnani
Quote
Ciancio
UKARNANI wrote:
Packages with mantles from our current production have been mailed to all those who emailed / posted their name and address. The packages should be delivered within the forthcoming week. All please thoroughly test the mantles and post your results / findings. Do also send your results / findings to me at ukarnani@auerlicht.com


Thank you, I received my package in the mail today. I will have to get some lanterns ready to put them to the test.

What lanterns do the 24a and 111 mantles work well on?
Quote
campmaster
My 2 cents. I found this thread because of the issues with the new peerless mantles. IMO they are garbage compared to the old ones. They literally turn yellow once run and the light output sucks. I have noticed they are slightly weaker also. Peerless have been my go to for the last 8 years. Now unless they go back and make them like they did before... ill be standing aside from them for a while. I have 120 running lanterns and run the hell out of them all. yellow light is NOT pleasing to me at all.  
 I do hope someone is communicating this stuff to the folks at peerless and i hope thorium becomes the gold standard once again.
If anyone can get me guaranteed thorium peerless (old stock) please PM me and i will order a box now. 
ICCC Member #1045

Dave
Quote
mikew
Ciancio wrote:


Thank you, I received my package in the mail today. I will have to get some lanterns ready to put them to the test.

What lanterns do the 24a and 111 mantles work well on?


24A - 335; have also used it on a 236; some use it on a 242; any lantern that uses a Coleman 99.

111 - pretty much any 500cp, 236, 237, 639, Pmax 829 and clones, North Star.
Mike
"... at evening time, it shall be light." Zechariah 14:7

Slant Saver #05; Milspec Ops 0045
Quote
Mister Wilson
Mr. Karnani (from Peerless India) has been following this thread and others concerning the new production Peerless.  He's read the feedback and heard the criticisms.  A month ago in post #79 he offered to send mantles from a new production run to those that responded.  Hopefully these mantles have benefited from process improvements.  In post #95 he says the new mantles have been mailed out.  I'm really looking forward to the feedback from those receiving them.  I think he wants to make good mantles as much as we want him to.  That's my hope anyway.
John
H.C. Lanterns dealer
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate #2001 A Turd's Odyssey
Canadian Blues #028
Coleman Slant Saver #31
Looking for 6-56 and 6-58 Birthday lanterns.
There's been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about.
Quote
campmaster
ooooo thats awesome to read. Definitely calmed me down a few notches.  Thanks for that info.  Dave
ICCC Member #1045

Dave
Quote
Welcome to the Coleman Collectors Forum, an international forum of Coleman enthusiast and collectors, as such people from all over the world come here to read about Coleman collecting, repair, and to meet and make friends. The pages contained here are intended for the use of amateur collectors and people interested in Coleman collecting, restoration and repair as a hobby. It goes without saying to refrain from political posts, personal attacks and inflammatory posts.

Please note, all postings are the personal opinions of the members posting, the owner, administrators and moderators of the forum do not warrant the accuracy of posted information or endorse the safety of such.