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Gunhippie
I had originally intended to sell this iron on--no real interest in irons. The only thing I've ever used one for was waxing my skis, and I can't ski anymore.

But then I was showing it to a friend at an outside table at the pub. I've never had a piece that attracted so much attention! I decided it was a valuable addition to m collection and shows.

It was in pretty good shape when I found it:

         

But I'll be tearing it down to give it a deep clean, see if I can get it working, and just out of curiosity.

First, I shot all the screws and bolts with PB Blaster and let it sit for a week. This worked wonders--everything unscrewed with very little effort.

I removed the handle--it'll just get a wipe down and wax. The tank and generator come off as a unit after loosening an 11/16" nut.

Next are these two bolts:

         

Which get the iron fairly on its way apart.

         

Next to remove the handle bracket and top plate:

         

Getting those two nuts back on will be interesting.

This is far enough for my purposes:

         

Now for the valve and FA system.

From the looks of the valve stem, it appears that this iron originally had a generator and pricker assy. like a suitcase stove:

         

It has a Roto-type gen on it now, which I'm guessing was a replacement.

The FA system is interesting. For one thing, it's up-side down:

         

The little screen unscrews from the FA tube:

         

The FA system appears to be like a Slant, but up-side-down, with the fuel uptake on the bottom and the air on top. There is no valving to control the instant-lighting circuit.

I put all the parts into the ultra-sonic cleaner with caustic lye and very hot water. Here they are all ready for me to apply some elbow grease and start the re-assembly:

         

That's as far as I got yesterday. I had to go with a friend on a grouse hunt (which consisted of driving around drinking beer--the grouse were in no danger) and to mow the lawn at his remote lodge.

I'll get back on this this afternoon.

Stay tuned!
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Smudge
Interesting. I always wondered what those irons look like on the inside.
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Jbbh93
I have one as well but never tore into it like you did. Will keep an eye on this post for updates on your clean up

Justin

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Gunhippie
Next installment.

Here's the fuel orifice:

         

See the tiny dot just above the hexed part? That's it. A Q99 tip cleaner fits nicely.

The air orifice:

         

I don't have a set of wire gauges, but it's a little smaller than a 1/16" drill bit.
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Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
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Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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scl
great, i have 2 and was going to do the same thing and by the way i almost bought yours. one of them the pricker lever is stuck solid.
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Gunhippie
The pricker lever on mine doesn't move the rod at all, but that's OK as there is no needle on the rod.

I've been looking at pictures of these in the Book and online, and all seem to have the Roto-type gen, but the end of my valve shaft is definitely threaded for a pricker rod. As this would also give the iron some adjustability, it makes sense. With the slant-style instant-lighting feature, I suspect this used a gen and pricker rod similar to the slant, also, and just as a wild-ass guess, it may be about the same date as the slants.
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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Fraggboy
Timm,

Thank you for sharing this. I've been beating around the idea to add an iron to my collection.  When this happens I will be referring to this thread.  +1


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SteveRetherford
the #4 uses a roto genny . its easier to use than the stove style pricker .
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Gunhippie
Whew. Lots of little bits to be shinied. Lots of elbow grease. At least nothing escaped while buffing on the parts-tosser (sort rag buffing wheel). I may be getting this back together today.

Thanks, Steve--I was just noting what I observed. IIRC, the original stove-style gen and pricker of the slants was replaced with the R55 Roto-type gen due to problems, and I suspect he same thing happened with the 4A iron.
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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Gunhippie
Shiny stuff ready to go back together:

         

But I need a barley soda after all that polishing.
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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Fraggboy
Beautiful!!
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BSAGuy
Can't wait to see the finished product!
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SteveRetherford
this valve wheel assembly will also fit right onto a slant .
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hikerduane
I replaced the genny on my inherited model like this one, that's all I could break loose.
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Gunhippie
Onwards....

Time to put it all back together and see if it'll run.

First, the screws/bolts and nuts that hold the handle frame, top plate, and burner together. I mentioned they would be a challenge, and I was right, but the ol' mechanic's roach clips (4" needle-nose Vice Grips) came to the rescue:

         

After I got them started, I used a thin 7/16" open-end to tighten them.

I probably should have put this spacer under the front screw before I put it together:

         

It was easier the second time around.

Another little part not to forget--and I didn't for once:

         

It goes in that hole in the front of the casing.

Now the long screw/bolts that hold the whole taco together. I bought a nifty tool many years ago at the Zidell surplus shop in Portland, OR (this dates me). It's a very long slotted screwdriver that locks onto the screw. Makes getting hard-to-reach screws--and ones like this that have to go in straight--started:

         

I wish I had something like it in Phillips.

All clean, shiny and back together:

         

         

         

No money shot. The busted cleaner rod seems to be blocking the tip orifice--I can get fuel through the gen, but not with the tip on. I removed and pricked the tip numerous times. Back to OCP for a new iron gen.
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
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Flyboyfwa
Nice post. I am not into the irons either but wondered how they were put together.
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BSAGuy
That's very well done, Timm.
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Nice tutorial Timm. They make this for philips head screws.
 
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ISO 6-56, 7-88, and 2-91.  Found a 1-91, it may be as close as I get.
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Grandpa
Nice iron Timm, I tryed to not have any interest in them...til i found one. Trying to work out a excuse to have them, do you suppose you could make a grilled cheese samich with one 😳
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Rikeman
I have what I think is a 4A, the fount is painted the same color blue though. My wife is a quilter, so mine is just being used for display purposes. I would like to get it operational though. Your post is inspiring me to tear it down and clean it up!
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Gunhippie
Gramps: I think you would end up with a pannini!

Rike: The 4A was also made with a painted tank. No idea if that was before or after the nickle. IIRC, the 4A ran from about '25 to '41 in the US. Canada produced gasoline-powered irons up to at least '83!

Ed: But that one doesn't hold the screw to get it to hard-to-reach places or keep it straight. Besides, what kind of man wants a tool that eliminates other tools? Life for me is one long excuse to buy more tools!

Brian: I can see one of those finding its way into my toolbox.

I know I could probably have looked this up somewhere, but that would be too easy. With the FA set-up of this critter, fill level is critical. Too much, no air for the lighting circuit. Too little... well, the fount is tiny to begin with. I measured the length of the air tube from the ring of sealant left on the valve threads, subtracted the depth of the fount bung, and came up with about 2 3/4". Using a long toothpick, I made a dipstick. I added a little fuel at a time until I hit my mark, then poured that into my handy fuel measuring cup. I came up with a fount capacity of almost exactly 8 oz.
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Mister Wilson
The filler cans have a hole in the side so you can't overfill the can and therefor not the iron either.  They also were made to remain level, that's why they came with a trivet because you can't stand them up when not in use.  Evenheat irons have a different design.  The cast tank is actually made so you can stand the iron up.  They also have a small preheat cup and it's made to use with the iron in an upright position.
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monkeyboy
i think you need two of these relics and a long coil spring to make a Panini sammich.

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monkeyboy
there was a post a few days ago where an iron handle was used on a lantern reflector.

i wondered where he got the handle.

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Fraggboy
monkeyboy wrote:
there was a post a few days ago where an iron handle was used on a lantern reflector.

i wondered where he got the handle.

buzz


I remeber seeing that also.

I can’t wait to see you finish this project and lite it Timm.
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Mike
There is no rod that screws into the valve wheel. The roto-generator is used to control fuel flow. The valve wheel is for on-off fuel flow, not regulation.

To start the iron, the generator lever is pointing back towards the valve wheel. Fill the tank, I find 5-6 pump strokes is good. Light a match and hold it beside the lighting hole, not in it. Open the valve wheel and it'll light. Add 5 or 6 more pump strokes. To regulate the heat, move the generator lever forward to lower the heat. It's pretty sensitive so tiny adjustments work best.

I find after a restoration, they are a little fidgety and blow out on initial startup 5 or 6 times, and then all of a sudden they behave perfectly from every startup afterwards. Probably just the tiny bits of gunk getting flushed out of the fuel circuit.

One iron is never enough! I've got twenty on my shelf, another 6 in the shop and each is a different model or colour variation. And my collection is nothing compared to some. They are a whole part of the GPA universe that's not explored very much.

My fleet of Canadian 4A's including the Austalian version made under license.

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Gunhippie
Cool, Mike, and thanks for the lighting tips!

I've got some gens coming, so we'll see if this can make things flat again.
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Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
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monkeyboy
intereating,

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Scouterjan
Nice job Timm they are fun to work on. I have over 30 Irons all different. Mike above posted the same as mine except he is lucky to have a Aussie speckled blue #4
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VincentMechanic31
Looks great Timm.

Too funny about that spacer ring. I did the same thing and had to ask Steve R what it was.

I’m glad I have at least one of these. It’s a real conversation piece.

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Gunhippie
Thanks again, all.

So I notice this has the Coleman lamp & stove stamp--does that date it to pre-'34 like the lanterns?
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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Gunhippie
Time for some domestic chores:

         

This would have been perfect for waxing skis at our remote ski camps. Otherwise, I have no idea what an iron is for.

I'm amazed how easily it lights. I had intended to pre-heat and opened the valve very briefly to get some fuel in the gen--but it just lit right up--no flaring, no drama!

Thanks to Mr. Wilson for the nice genny!
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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Fraggboy
That turned out Beautiful Timm!! Glad you kept and restored it.
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1hpycmpr
Nice looking iron and cool that you can now iron your work clothes, Timm. Yes, I would think the Lamp & Stove makes it an earlier one. I have one from the & era and it’s the only GPA I own that does not work. Genny issues. I use it for display now.
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Smudge
Wow. That is beautiful. Takes the drudgery out of the ironing chore.
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BSAGuy
Timm,

You are a GPA savant!  Congrats on another super resto.
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Grandpa
Really nice shot b.t.w. 😉
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Mister Wilson
Good job!  I like the heat drum trivet.
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Jbbh93
Great work on the restoration Timm! Shiny!

Justin

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@Gunhippie

Thank you for posting up your rebuild here. It was a great help to me on getting my 4a up and going. 

Even though I just seen this thread two weeks ago, yours turned out great! Just wanted to pass along my appreciation 👍🏻

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Kgam1020
Very very cool! That is a nice iron. Awesome job on the restro. 
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