200A and 202 reproduction
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Tgarner01
Can't find much info on these AGMs on here for some reason. Started cleaning this one up and cannot find the fuel pickup orfice. It had a corroded screen but when I removed it to clean out the pickup I could not find it.... Air orfice is stopped up as well... It is a KampLite RL2
IMG_20200605_104251_copy_600x800.jpg  IMG_20200605_104305_copy_600x800.jpg 
Toby Garner
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Tgarner01
Think I found the fuel orifice...a bit off center.. still can't get anything through it yet. May have to let it soak overnight IMG_20200605_113811_copy_600x800.jpg 
Toby Garner
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salukispeed
My RL31 was the same last week. The orifice on it was between .018 and .019 in and a bugger to clean out. the air tube was closer to .015-.020 in.  I ended up with a 60-80 number drill set and started from small and went bigger. I used the butt end rather than the flute end to avoid over sizing the hole.  The generator is the final restriction but the starting mixture is a blend of the air tube and the fuel tube. I also took the short cap/fitting directly across from the valve that houses the spring loaded pin that controls the air supply and found it to be clogged with green nasty fuzz and junk  and this allowed me to clean the valve out better. A strand of soft copper wire will not damage the PU orifice  
Bob
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Tgarner01
Thanks Bob, those are much larger holes than I figured they would be. Just by looking I figured around .008.i should have some drills that small to work my way up. I could've run it without the pickup cap on but figured If it had an air system I might as well try to fix it. I'll update in a bit.
Toby Garner
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Tgarner01
Thanks for the help Bob, got the orfices drilled out and the instant light worked perfectly.... Now I have to trash this perfectly good silk lite that came on this thing to clean out the air tube I'm sure... IMG_20200605_131414_copy_600x800.jpg
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salukispeed
Is that pic of a starting lantern/new mantle or does it have that much over burn coming out of the mantle.  It is too much if that is how it runs. Possibly too large of a Gen orifice. or web clogged air tube to the mixing chamber My RL31 is a double mantle if that makes a difference.  Besides my Inverted the RL31 is the only Kamplite/agm I own so I am far from knowledgeable on the subject
Bob
ICCC 1868
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Tgarner01
Yeah the air tube was plugged like I mentioned above. I had to waste the silk lite that was on it to get it cleaned out. Stuck a Chinese mantle on it and it's driving it fine now. IMG_20200605_142158_copy_600x800.jpg a little overburn until it warmed up good, but it needs a bigger mantle as well. I'm out of 99 or 24a size
Toby Garner
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Chucker
Good fettle Toby. 

They are a slightly different critter than Coleman's but not impossible. 
Chuck
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salukispeed
Looks great. I missed the Air tube comment Sorry.  They are different animals with different needs but work well. I would make room in the rafters for another if it finds me.  
Bob
ICCC 1868
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Tgarner01
salukispeed wrote:
Looks great. I missed the Air tube comment Sorry.  They are different animals with different needs but work well. I would make room in the rafters for another if it finds me.  

Agreed, I like some things AGM did especially when they went to steel Founts but this tiny fuel pickup is not one of them. In the process of building an AGM 3470 Frank now. Should be posted next week if it works out.
Toby Garner
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Whitegas Extraordinaire
My apologies but I am currently fettling a Hawthorne made by AGM.

Has anyone ever tried to run these without the orifice and screen? Probably would result it pre heating required but that tiny orifice seems to be ridiculously small.

Thank you!
Kevin
I frighten easily!

My current shade is Coleman!!

To me a lamp without a shade is creepy!

ICCC # 1865

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Chucker
Don't understand your reason for closing what I assume is the F/A air intake? What's the bigger issue? 

Yes, you can toss any fuel mesh/screen. Cleaning the fuel orifice with a pricker from almost any generator is a good practice, both sides when possible.  Filtered fuel takes care of the need for a screen, IMO. 
Chuck
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Whitegas Extraordinaire
Chucker wrote:
Don't understand your reason for closing what I assume is the F/A air intake? What's the bigger issue? 

Yes, you can toss any fuel mesh/screen. Cleaning the fuel orifice with a pricker from almost any generator is a good practice, both sides when possible.  Filtered fuel takes care of the need for a screen, IMO. 


Rational is a .0018 hole is extremely small and subject to contamination. I will BB dance this and flush the snot out of it but prefer not to have to repeat. In comparison to a Coleman fuel air set up with its orifice/ fuel control rod and resulting wetted perimeter appear gargantuan.

I need to measure some Coleman fuel control rods for comparison but the pick up design in an AGM appears to be problematic.

Thank you!

Kevin

I frighten easily!

My current shade is Coleman!!

To me a lamp without a shade is creepy!

ICCC # 1865

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Tgarner01
Kevin, you should be able to run your lantern without the orfice just fine.. But as you mentioned it will make your air circuit all but inoperable... Nothing a preheat won't take care of ðŸ˜
Toby Garner
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Whitegas Extraordinaire
Tgarner01 wrote:
Kevin, you should be able to run your lantern without the orfice just fine.. But as you mentioned it will make your air circuit all but inoperable... Nothing a preheat won't take care of Ã°Å¸ËœÂ


I pulled the valve and cleaned the orifice and screen. Assembled temporarily and the fuel air circuit is working and I get a nice stream of fluid once valve is open. Broke it back down for a bb dance, cleaning and reassembly!
Pics to be posted in another thread soon. I have a number of AGM to fettle next and out of the collection to others. In an attempt to focus on the collection goals which do not include any AGM.
Thank you for y’all’s help!
Kevin
I frighten easily!

My current shade is Coleman!!

To me a lamp without a shade is creepy!

ICCC # 1865

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Chucker
Excellent Kevin. 

Yeah, sometimes it takes a second or third try to get some of these old GPA's to listen to ya!
Chuck
"Pleasant words are a honeycomb, Sweet to the soul and healing to the bones." Proverbs 16:24
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"Michigan - from the Ojibwa word “meicigama,” meaning “great water.”
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Whitegas Extraordinaire
Chucker wrote:
Excellent Kevin. 

Yeah, sometimes it takes a second or third try to get some of these old GPA's to listen to ya!

Chuck
I was most concerned with pulling the valve, it was actually pretty easy to remove!
Not sure how fancy I should get with a Hawthorne cleanup! It will probably get a FKF!
Thanks again!
Kevin
I frighten easily!

My current shade is Coleman!!

To me a lamp without a shade is creepy!

ICCC # 1865

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Chucker
Yeah, with some of the 'other' brands valves can be sketchy. Mostly it is the AGM valve bungs that can spin on you. By the time they changed to Kamplite the issues seemed to go away - in my experience anyway. 
Chuck
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"Michigan - from the Ojibwa word “meicigama,” meaning “great water.”
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