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The Warrior
Father in law gave me this lantern a few years back, and I decided recently to try and get it going. The ball in the CV was stuck, and I got it loose with carburetor cleaner. Found a cocoon in one of the tubes. Cleaned it all out. Replaced the fuel cap seal, and put a new leather pump cup on it. Placed a new mantle on it, a #21 (all I have) and burned it in. Pumped it up 30 times, and spun the needle a few times. Placed my lighter in it, turned the valve open 1/4 turn per instructions. Gas is coming out, but it will not light. Does this sound like a generator problem? I read somewhere that spraying carburetor cleaner in it will help? Here's the lantern I'm talking about, I'm sure most are familiar with it:

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Thanks for any help, appreciate it.
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Tgarner01
Gas is coming out? Or air?
Toby Garner
ICCC #1939
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Rustytank
Open it up a little more and see what happens. Sometimes it isn't exactly 1/4 turn.
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The Warrior
Tgarner01 wrote:
Gas is coming out? Or air?
Gas. I was experimenting a bit, and heated up the generator with my lighter, then turning the gas on, and it would light up, but just for a bit.

Rustytank wrote:
Open it up a little more and see what happens. Sometimes it isn't exactly 1/4 turn.
I did try that, twas a no go.
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Tgarner01
My guess is the pickup tube is restricted. I have one of these but I do not remember having the valve assembly out... Having said that it appears to be built by AGM, they tend to have tiny fuel pickups. Have you removed the generator and cracked the valve open by chance? May have been run on RUG and clogged up over time.
Toby Garner
ICCC #1939
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The Warrior
 I wouldn't know what a pickup tube was if it bit me on the ass, haha. New to this, and don't understand all the terminology yet. I did remove the generator.  It's not clogged, and I can see the needle moving up and down in the jet. What's RUG?
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The Warrior
Oh, regular unleaded gas, got it.

Thanks for all the help by the way, appreciate it very much.
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Tgarner01
Sorry, the pickup tube is the fuel tube that attaches to the valve and goes down into fount to "pickup" fuel. I'll try to find my post a few weeks ago on an AGM I was having trouble figuring out the tiny orfice in the pickup. It may have some pictures to help. And the RUG is regular unleaded gasoline.
Toby Garner
ICCC #1939
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The Warrior
Oh ok. Yeah, I saw a diagram that showed the pump tube, air tube, etc. I know what you're talking about. How would one go about unclogging it?
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Tgarner01
https://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/post/kamplite-fuelair-tube-10563827?pid=1311751822

Might have a look at these pictures. May help you understand how they're built. Again I'm assuming yours is the same as it appears AGM. Hoping someone will be along to confirm
Toby Garner
ICCC #1939
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Tgarner01
The Warrior wrote:
Oh ok. Yeah, I saw a diagram that showed the pump tube, air tube, etc. I know what you're talking about. How would one go about unclogging it?

I have always removed the valve assemblies as I'm impatient. But many pour different solvents into the fount to try to clean them. The one in the post above literally had to be drilled out it was so bad. Sounds like you are getting a small amount of fuel as it tries to light. You might try turning it upside down when trying to light it. That will allow the air circuit to pass fuel.
Toby Garner
ICCC #1939
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Tgarner01
When it lights and starts to go out are you spinning the cleaning lever?
Toby Garner
ICCC #1939
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brucesheehe
CLR in the fount may clear the blockage without taking the lantern apart.

Take generator off and pump it through the valve.
Bruce Sheehe
ICCC #889 - Connoisseur of Time, Friends, Leisure, & Coleman   Altoona, PA - The Mountain City - Near The Eastern USA Continental Divide
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The Warrior
Tgarner01 wrote:
When it lights and starts to go out are you spinning the cleaning lever?
I just spin it a few times, then leave it in the down position before lighting. Here's a not so great photo of the lantern:

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brucesheehe wrote:
CLR in the fount may clear the blockage without taking the lantern apart.

Take generator off and pump it through the valve.
Thanks man.
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The Warrior
Photo I found:

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Majicwrench
Remove generator, now open valve, and see if fuel comes out. It should be a bunch of fuel. If not, you know it is plugged somewhere below.
If lots of fuel flows, you need to spin the tip cleaner more! and often. Especially a lantern that hasn't been run in a while will plug the tip over and over again. 
Keith
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The Warrior
Thanks man,  appreciate the help. 
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The Warrior
Well, it does seem to be a fuel problem. I removed the generator, and pumped it up. Opened the valve, and the smallest amount came out, so, not a total blockage, but definitely not running free. I removed all the components, and have it ready to remove the entire valve assembly. Have to wait a bit, as I don't have a shop, or vise.
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The Warrior
A few photos disassembled:

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The bottom of the needle assembly seems bent. Wonder if it's just made like that? Still works, so I guess it's ok. Also, the control valve unscrewed all the way out. That doesn't seem normal:


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Majicwrench
The top of needle looks bent too, straighten it before reassembly.

You can always get a can of carb cleaner with the little tube and shoot down into pick-up. Wear safety glasses! It may, or may not, clear the blockage.
Keith
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Tgarner01
If you do end up removing the valve assembly from the fount, I would screw your valve stem back in as to not crush the assembly itself. And you are correct, there should be a valve stop built into it. I would inspect that further as well
Toby Garner
ICCC #1939
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hahoe03
You need to pull the entire valve out and clean the tube at the bottom. also, be careful straightening the generator pricker as they are made of unobtainium. I am working on a Kamplite version right now.
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Mike Trigg
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The Warrior
Thanks for the help guys. I decided this lamp needs more help than I can provide. Removed the valve assembly from the fount. Kind of cruddy:

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Blurry photo, but you get the idea:

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Cleaned up:

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I messed with this thing for hours today, as I had the day off. Took it all apart, straightened needles, etc. Discovered it needed a new fuel cap seal, which I replaced. I got this lantern a few years ago and replaced it. I guess it doesn't take long for them to get brittle again. Had it apart and put back together I don't know how many times. Had a few flare ups, etc. Did get it lit one time, but it was short lived. Oh well, I tried.

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The good news is, I have a Coleman one mantle kerosene lantern on the way, which should be here tomorrow. The wife got it for me for Father's Day. Looking forward to getting it in. She got me a dual fuel lantern for my birthday...

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and I scored a Coleman 220K lantern at the antique shop for $12 a few weeks ago. It had new mantles already installed, and all I had to do to get it going, was lube the pump seal, and replace the fuel cap seal. Works like a champ:

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I also have a Western Field lantern my brother gifted me:

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Thanks again gents, appreciate the help.


 

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Tgarner01
Don't give up! Your just getting a good start...
Toby Garner
ICCC #1939
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The Warrior
I may give it a go at a later date. Cool old lantern.
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Tgarner01
Yep set it back and play with some Coleman branded stuff for awhile ðŸ˜ðŸ‘
Toby Garner
ICCC #1939
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The Warrior
I'm more into stoves than lanterns, but won't pass up a good deal on a lantern for sure. I just got into stoves a few months ago, and probably have 20, haha.
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