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Quick Cal
I have this on the way to me so I don't know too much about it.

It's a JC Higgins model 710.74011. It has a black big hat on it. I have not seen another one like it with a black vent. Plenty of sears models with a black big hat, but not a blue fount jc higgins.

Is a big hat model any bigger in size, meaning fount and frame. Does it use a different gen. Is it going to be the same size as my kamplite lrl-2.

It does have a heat resisting globe.

So what can you guys tell me about this one. Thanks.

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Gand28
I’ve never seen one in black but the bail holes are in the right spot. Does it look like they were drilled after the fact or is there neat porcelain around the holes?

could have been a custom vent restoration too. 
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Quick Cal
Gand28 wrote:
I’ve never seen one in black but the bail holes are in the right spot. Does it look like they were drilled after the fact or is there neat porcelain around the holes?

could have been a custom vent restoration too. 


Don't know about the drilling. It's in a box on the way so don't know anything more. I have other pics but I don't think they would show what you are asking.

If you google sears big hat lantern you will see pics of a sark blue sears model with a black big hat and of a red sears model with a black big hat. But not a light blue jc higgins. with black. But there is some with the same color blue.

I wonder if someone swapped vents.
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Quick Cal
And is a big hat model any different than a small hat model other than the size of the vent.
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Quick Cal
Gand28 wrote:
I’ve never seen one in black but the bail holes are in the right spot. Does it look like they were drilled after the fact or is there neat porcelain around the holes?

could have been a custom vent restoration too. 


Oh. I see what you mean. It appears on a big hat that the bail is under the vent. And on this one it looks like this is a smaller vent model where this vent has been drilled to fit.

Is that what you are saying,,,lol.
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Gunhippie
Other than the vent,  the bail would be the only difference. From what I can see, that bail doesn't look like it would clear the vent.

On a Coleman, that is. Not so sure about the late AGMs.
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Quick Cal
Looks like the jc higgins did have big hats with the holes in them. Still can't find a black one though,,,lol.

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Gand28
Quick Cal wrote:


Oh. I see what you mean. It appears on a big hat that the bail is under the vent. And on this one it looks like this is a smaller vent model where this vent has been drilled to fit.

Is that what you are saying,,,lol.


Yes. The black big hat vents on the later blue and red Sears models are regular Coleman big hat vents. The bails on those lanterns are mounted to the frame. 

Timm, it’s hard to tell in this one pic, but the Highins big hat single has an odd shaped bail. That one could be correct. 
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rainjer
Looks like the jc higgins did have big hats with the holes in them. Still can't find a black one though,,,lol.

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I think your picture tells the story. It is a JC Higgins with a black Kamplite vent. The fact they were made by the same company would make sense why it fits. It just has the wrong bail.

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Gand28
Big hat Kamplite. Forgot about those. The one on the left in your pic. Probably from there.
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Quick Cal
rainjer wrote:
Looks like the jc higgins did have big hats with the holes in them. Still can't find a black one though,,,lol.

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I think your picture tells the story. It is a JC Higgins with a black Kamplite vent. The fact they were made by the same company would make sense why it fits. It just has the wrong bail.

Jeremy


So technically. It's the wrong vent, but it fits. So is it the wrong bail for the vent or are you saying it should be a small vent, then that bail will fit.
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Quick Cal
Here's the sellers pic's. Maybe one might tell something. But I can see now that the bail is bent wrong maybe? Ya. He was showing the bail was bent wrong. But I just didn't know what I was looking at. But he did show it,,,lol. I asked if the vent was correct because I seen no other black one's. He said it was like that when he got it. But I went ahead and bought it because the rest was nice.

Now I gotta decide what to do about the vent. But I kinda like it. Guess I could say I have one of a kind,,,lol.

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Quick Cal
So does anyone have a big hat kamplite or jc higgins to show me what the bail is supposed to look like.
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Gand28
Cal, I suggest you wait until you get it. The bail bends look correct but they may not be installed in the correct place in the frame. The seller’s pictures aren’t the best, so it is hard to tell. 
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Quick Cal
Gand28 wrote:
Cal, I suggest you wait until you get it. The bail bends look correct but they may not be installed in the correct place in the frame. The seller’s pictures aren’t the best, so it is hard to tell. 


The question now is, is it suppose to be a big hat or little hat.

Here's what a big hat bail looks like.

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Gand28 wrote:
Cal, I suggest you wait until you get it. The bail bends look correct but they may not be installed in the correct place in the frame. The seller’s pictures aren’t the best, so it is hard to tell. 


I agree with Greg. In this photo it look like the bail is not seated correctly.
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Quick Cal
rainjer wrote:


I agree with Greg. In this photo it look like the bail is not seated correctly.
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Man. How can you guys see that stuff. All I see is a big dark area. So I'll have to take your word for it and wait until I get it.

But I did send the seller a question asking about it.



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Quick Cal
So is this smaller like my little kamp lite lrl-2. Or is it bigger like my agm 278.
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Quick Cal
Oh ya. If it turns out this bail is jacked up, one off of a coleman 275 will work I'm fairly sure,,,lol.

Just have to hurry up and wait now.
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campinut
Bail off the Kamplite is curved around lower brim and goes through vent holes. Calvin, the pictured large brim lantern is much larger than the one you own. The large brim lantern is also a single mantle but on a larger scale. I agree, this JC higgins should have a matching large brim vent..
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Quick Cal
Russ, when you say the large brim lantern picture is bigger than the one I own, are you talking about my kamp lite or the jc higgins I have on the way?
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campinut
Both are bigger. I do not own a large brim JC Higgins but I think they are double mantle. I do own your kamplite and the larger one pictured (single mantles) and they are different in size.😀😀campinut
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Quick Cal wrote:


The question now is, is it suppose to be a big hat or little hat.

Here's what a big hat bail looks like.

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The one you have pictured here is an early model with the older style pump. They used the old style pump for roughly a year I think it was, and then changed to the dish (canada?) and hex shaped (American) pumps.

To my knowledge, the bail pictured is an early model bail. Some time around the same time as they switched pumps, they also changed the style of the bail to omit the bends which you can see pictured at about the halfway point of the generator, height-wise.

On later bails, that run of wire is strait between the upper 2 bends where the wire runs through the vent and into the frame, and the lower part where it bends into the area where your hand contacts the bail when carrying.

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GarryB
one of our as of late, non posting members  KAPTAIN KAMPLITE has one new in the box with a black vent. he thinks a few black vents were shipped with the big higgy's at the end of production for that model  .. I have one like it that was found by a fellow collector in an antique shop no box so i wouldn't rule out yours being sent out with the black kamplite vent.  .  
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Quick Cal
GarryB wrote:
one of our as of late, non posting members  KAPTAIN KAMPLITE has one new in the box with a black vent. he thinks a few black vents were shipped with the big higgy's at the end of production for that model  .. I have one like it that was found by a fellow collector in an antique shop no box so i wouldn't rule out yours being sent out with the black kamplite vent.  .  


So if it was sent out with a black vent does it make it worth 1 million dollars,,,,,lol.

Does Kyle have a write uo with pics. I'd like to read about it.
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Quick Cal wrote:


Does Kyle have a write uo with pics. I'd like to read about it.


Search posts by author “JimDouglasJr” and keyword Kamplite. Open a beer and sit a spell to read them all.
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Quick Cal
arryk wrote:


The one you have pictured here is an early model with the older style pump. They used the old style pump for roughly a year I think it was, and then changed to the dish (canada?) and hex shaped (American) pumps.

To my knowledge, the bail pictured is an early model bail. Some time around the same time as they switched pumps, they also changed the style of the bail to omit the bends which you can see pictured at about the halfway point of the generator, height-wise.

On later bails, that run of wire is strait between the upper 2 bends where the wire runs through the vent and into the frame, and the lower part where it bends into the area where your hand contacts the bail when carrying.

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Is this the bail you speak of?

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Gand28 wrote:
Search posts by author “JimDouglasJr” and keyword Kamplite. Open a beer and sit a spell to read them all.


I understand these posts to also be Ovaltine-compatible for those so inclined: they are very much worth the read for any person remotely interested in Coleman and how things were done there - AGM achieved much the same results using different methods, and "Kyle" is a good writer and excellent explainer.

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those vents will fit a 237 if you extend the vent rod
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Quick Cal
Well I got it today. The bail is correct. The vent has not been drilled to fit. So it either came with this originally or off something very similar. And by the wear marks on the inside of the vent I'd guess it has been on there a long time.

Could I have a rare bird,,,lol.

I think this is an AGM, right?

The cleaner lever will only go 180*. It's up or down. It will not make a full revolution. Is this normal.

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Quick Cal
Oh ya. What mantle should I run is this big single. Peerless 24A?
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Gand28
Well looks like a Kamplite vent. May have been on yours since the beginning.

The tip cleaner lever should rotate the full 360*. Be careful with it until you can figure out the problem.

24A?  Mine wears one. 
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Quick Cal
Gand28 wrote:
Well looks like a Kamplite vent. May have been on yours since the beginning.

The tip cleaner lever should rotate the full 360*. Be careful with it until you can figure out the problem.

24A?  Mine wears one. 


So I got it took apart. I see nothing wrong. But it has a positive stop at just past 12:00 and at 6:00. The pricker is poking out the end when the lever is up.

So what do I do from here. Take the lever nut off and pull the lever out?

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Gand28
Mine turns all the way around. Take the pricker wire out and see what it does. 
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Quick Cal
Gand28 wrote:
Mine turns all the way around. Take the pricker wire out and see what it does. 


I did do that but it didn't fix it.

But I did figure it out. This has been took apart and the eblock was facing the wrong direction.

There is no graphite rope or hard graphite in there for packing. It looks like a rubber hardware store faucet washer. Is there anyway in hell this would be correct,,,lol.
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Gand28
Not a rubber packing washer!  You know what to do now. You’re an experienced fettler!
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Quick Cal
Gand28 wrote:
Not a rubber packing washer!  You know what to do now. You’re an experienced fettler!


Hey. Watch what you call me,,,,lol. You're just getting even for the old guy comment,,,lol.

Actually, I'm not that experienced. I've tore a lot apart and put about half back together,,,lol. And truthfully I've never repacked a valve. This is a running lantern. You can see it running in the pics I posted.

Well the seller showed it running at least. I haven't tried to light it.

Would this take the ribbon or the hard graphite. Or do you know.
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Quick Cal
The problem could be I'm just an idiot,,,lol. I really don't think that is rubber in there. I poked at it with a pic and it is hard and slick.

Could this indeed be graphite?
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Quick Cal
Gand28 wrote:
Bob’s your uncle!  It is!


I really don't know what that means unless you're agreeing with the ediot part,,,lol.

But I really do have 2 uncle Bobs,,,lol.

So what are you sayin,,,lol.
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It is graphite!

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