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Ridge Runner

I was giving a CL2 a cursory once-over and found that it wouldn’t pass fuel/air. Pulled the genny and quickly realized that the tip was clogged—with the pricker wire.

I tried using a good 288 pricker to see if it would push through. It won’t and I don’t want to ruin the good one in the process.

So, any tricks! Or is it a lost cause?

I’m going to put a new genny in it anyhow, just wondering if there was a way to salvage the old one.

Not sure if it’s worth it in the end since I’d have to fix the original pricker rod too, and being an adjustable I suppose the wire has to be just right for that feature to work properly.

Thoughts?

— L.J.
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Majicwrench
Lost cause as far as I am concerned, so easy to get a new one.

I have an AGM tip with stuck pricker, somebody drilled another hole right next to it. Works good!

That said, anything is possible with enough time and energy, but why bother on this.
Keith
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macwacs
I am in the same boat with a M42 stove. Seeing how the tip is brass I am going to soak in acid and see if it eats enough rust and wire to clear the hole.
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SteveRetherford
might try compressed air to blow it back out , dont force it thru go back the way it came in as there is likely a burr where it broke off
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JimL
It seems to me that an ultrasonic cleaner would get it out.   It can't hurt to try, plus jewelry cleaner ones can be found at thrift stores really cheap. like $4 to $8.

I would not suggest buying a jewelry cleaner for only this one instance, but they great for cleaning small parts in general.  Of course, you can always spend big bucks and get one with a large tank.

-Jim

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bwperreault
It turns out that a hot solution of alum (ammonium aluminum sulfate), which is available in the spice rack of your local supermarket, will dissolve the steel drill bit without reacting with the brass.Aug 3, 20
Brian
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Chucker
bwperreault wrote:
It turns out that a hot solution of alum (ammonium aluminum sulfate), which is available in the spice rack of your local supermarket, will dissolve the steel drill bit without reacting with the brass.Aug 3, 20


FYI Brian, my wife and I looked for alum two weeks ago to do dill pickles and there was none in this town of 8000 with a Walmart and Meijer plus a couple smaller grocery type stores. We ended up going to a Mennonite store 15 miles away to find some.

I figured it would be easy to find as well but I guess COVID has a lot more people pickling and canning around here. No canning lids to be found either.
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Ridge Runner
I’ll give the air compressor a run at it. Prolly soak it in some penetrant first. I did try pushing it through backwards but no-go.

I really like the idea of chemically trying to break down the crud/pricker, too. Or at least enough to loosen it where it will blow out or push out.

Unfortunately, I don’t have a US cleaner yet, hope to some day. I’ll keep my eyes peeled for one at a good price anyhow. I see you guys rave about them a lot. 

I’m in no rush, this is totally a “me seeing a challenge and wanting to win” thing. I realize this is really a waste of my time especially since these gens are only like $12.

I appreciate any and all feedback!

— L.J.
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VincentMechanic31
Same story around here (SW Missouri), Chuck. Gotta grab lids any time I see them. Luckily, we have most of our pickles done and just a few more veggies to can. We freeze more veggies than what we can. But we did put up a lot of pickles this year and needed to hunt around for supplies more than once.

Anyway, Brian, what's the alum to water ratio for that needle dissolving trick? Only a matter of time before I'm going to need to try that. 
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JimL
>> I realize this is really a waste of my time especially since these gens are only like $12.

Yes, if you look at it from a money and time standpoint.  From a hobby standpoint, I don't agree.  I personally enjoy the challenge of some 'repairs'.

-Jim

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zoomkat
From my observation of the Coleman pricker wires is that they are made of brass, so dissolving them is probably a no go. If any of the wire is exposed, strong tweezers might be able to grip the end to pull it out. You might try pushing it out using a steel bristle from the below brush as the bristle diameter is ~.005".

https://www.harborfreight.com/9-in-steel-wire-brush-69636.html
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Ridge Runner
You’re absolutely right, Jim. From a hobby/experience standpoint, I figure if this is something I could fiddle with and overcome on a genny, part or piece that is readily available it’s good practice. Plus, I will undoubtedly learn something. In the end I hope to take something away from this that I can someday apply to a part that’s out of production, or otherwise unobtanium for replacement.

— L.J.
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Ridge Runner

Zoomkat—I’ve got a bunch of different brushes kicking around. I’ll have to measure the bristles and see if I come up with a good size to try.

Thanks for the link to that one though; there’s a HF store not too far away from me.

— L.J.
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On the brush bristles, you need the straight bristles and not the wavy "detail" brush bristles. .005" seems to be somewhat standard on the small wire brushes. The large wire brush bristles seem to run around .012" from what I've seen. Note that if the bristle is cut with cutters, that cut may be some what flattened. The bristles also work well clearing the jets in the small two cycle engine carburetors.
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bwperreault
“put about an inch of water in glass bread loaf baking dish and dissolved about one pound of alum. “ unquote

from the same site as before. Water treatment plants use alum to make solids sink in the first part of the treatment. 
Brian
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Thanks Brian. I think that ordering a pound of alum would likely get me put on a watch list in this neck of the woods. Haha. 


I’ll get some from the Amish down the road. They’re ... um, discreet. 


Good advice above on the wire brush strands too. Having run into this issue before, it’s nice to have options. 

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What nefarious uses can alum be put to? Being an old hippie, we just used to use it for deodorant, but also being an amateur pyrotechnist, I have no idea what else it could do.Must be a Meth thing.
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"What nefarious uses can alum be put to?"

Alum can coagulate blood at a bleeding site, it is what a shaving septic stick is made of.
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zoomkat wrote:
"What nefarious uses can alum be put to?"

Alum can coagulate blood at a bleeding site, it is what a shaving septic stick is made of.


and if you put some on your tongue you’ll make with the pucker face, at least that’s what it did on Tom and Jerry.
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VincentMechanic31

Missed your post, Timm.

I was just kidding, but I’m pretty sure they’d smoke it down here in the Ozarks. Along w their regular amount of bath salts, meth, etc.

 

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JimL
>>and if you put some on your tongue you’ll make with the pucker face, at least that’s what it did on Tom and Jerry.

Also on the Little Rascals.

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zoomkat wrote:
On the brush bristles, you need the straight bristles and not the wavy "detail" brush bristles. .005" seems to be somewhat standard on the small wire brushes. The large wire brush bristles seem to run around .012" from what I've seen. Note that if the bristle is cut with cutters, that cut may be some what flattened. The bristles also work well clearing the jets in the small two cycle engine carburetors.


  You can easily straighten a "wavy" steel bristle by heating it red hot and pulling it straight.
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Ridge Runner
Well, a little heat and poking and twisting with a wire bristle pushed it back through. It’s clear!

Thanks @zoomkat for the brush idea. I had something that measured out to .0045 and it did the trick.

Now on to making a new pricker! 

— L.J.
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Ridge Runner
I grabbed the body of the genny to give it a closer look. Looking inside I see that the bore is reduced in diameter at the end closer to the tip. More thickness of material to take the heat from the mantles?

I thought this was interesting so I grabbed my wooden skewer to probe a little further and get a feel for this necked down portion. These new fangled adjustable gadgets are a different animal for me so I wanted to see what this was all about.

As I prodded at the shoulder of this reduced diameter area it began to crumble. Not like coked up deposits though. More like the fiber tube.

I grabbed the pricker rod and spring and immediately realized something was off. This is how it all came apart.

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Looks like the spring and tube were installed backwards somewhere along the way. I didn’t even realize that no fiber tube came out with the rest of the guts. Whoops!

And there it is. The bugger was jammed up at the top.

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— L.J.
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zoomkat
"Now on to making a new pricker!"

The older generators also had a small screen in the tube that the pricker rod passed thru. There are various discussions on making pricker rods if you use the forum search function. I think Forney makes a ~7" straight bristle wire brush with brass bristles, which may be available at Home Depot. Just as an experiment, I hard soldered a .005" wire bristle to the tip of a paperclip. You might be able to hard solder a new pricker wire on the pricker rod, but you might have to take a little off the rod tip.
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macwacs
Muriatic acid for about six hours saved the burnner tip on my M42 stove by eating out the steal wire. Now I just need to figure out how to replace the pricker wire in the pricker.
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I've got some .005 Mandolin string wire i use.  Used is fine!

I was able to open up the end of a pricker once, and then re-crimped a new wire into it.  
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Ridge Runner
Glad to hear you got it freed up, Ron!

That was going to be the next thing I threw at it. ‘Though I don’t have straight muriatic acid, some of our toilet bowl cleaner contains HCL. Might be a bit slower but it’s on hand. 

— L.J.
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A word of caution!!!!Dont breath the fumes or even think about getting any on you. Bad stuff. Several differnt acids can be bought from most pool supply stores.
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Ridge Runner
Oh yes, if it can clean mortar off brick it’ll do a number on ya! Thank you for the warning though!

— L.J.
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