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Any stamping on the inside of the frame rest (collar)?  Maybe rolled wrong side out?
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i think i see marks where the preheater clip would have been  ? need to look inside the fount for the end of a fuel and air assembly or straight pick up tube ?
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Dang y’all are fast!!  I didn’t even have time to step outside and light a cigarette. I’ll have to check on the inside of the collar for markings. And I’ll double check for the clip marks. Other than pulling the valve I can’t see the end of the pick up tube. is there a way to check it without pulling the valve?
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i can hold em just right in bright sunlight and get a good look inside , thru the fuel cap hole , have to hold it just right , i have the micro camera too .
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is the vent green on green ? it would have originally had a straight logo globe , but sunshine is alright :-)
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Yes green on green vent. Here’s a few more pics. I don’t see and definite clip marks.  147201C4-A190-4E58-882C-4784AC295040.jpeg  05D7E653-755F-44DD-B0DD-B58CBB9DEC28.jpeg  E2548771-F9CF-41C7-BD32-BEC5DE0C3D0D.jpeg  A11FEEC2-9752-4AF5-B859-716668EBDC5C.jpeg  2D92DBF7-B72C-4DDE-B8AE-42F74A3755F4.jpeg 
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confirm the intake system , then get a aluminum preheater cup and a 201 generator from OCP
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I have some gens, and just because they are so cool I bought a aluminum cup from Mike a long time ago lol. I’ll figure out a way to confirm the tube. I know I can convert it if I have to but I would be very happy if it turns out to be a factory 247.  251CEC62-0C7C-440C-B53E-4D7B6EBF192D.jpeg 
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honestly i can shine one of these new led flashlights in there and see good enough too
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I'm betting Canadian 242NL ðŸ˜
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I'm betting Canadian 242NL ÃƒÆ’ƒÂ°Ã…¸ËœÂ
We taking bets?... I've probably got an old pair of shoes I can wager


I think you lost your shoes!!  I think all in NL’s had a captive vent with no bail slots and the shorter vent   I know that the US models were like this and I think all the Canadians were too.  If it is a 242 model I think it would be an A??

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I think you lost your shoes!!  I think all in NL’s had a captive vent with no bail slots and the shorter vent   I know that the US models were like this and I think all the Canadians were too.  If it is a 242 model I think it would be an A??

 


Okay... I'm doubling down I'm going to raise you a pair of sandals... I'm a bad gambler... But I believe the Canucks looked more like the US A's... Not sure about the slots now that you mention it... I'm always away from my book when I need it..
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If you have a rifle bore light? They are great for inspecting the inside  Of founts and usually can see the end of the F/A tube. I carry one in my pocket when hunting lanterns in the wild.
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Tgarner01 wrote:

Okay... I'm doubling down I'm going to raise you a pair of sandals... I'm a bad gambler... But I believe the Canucks looked more like the US A's... Not sure about the slots now that you mention it... I'm always away from my book when I need it..


I will PM you my shipping address. I prefer the post office as I don’t like the other two companies. Papa got a new pair of shoes!! 46CADC1B-F03F-4B46-ACB5-77A7A436D704.jpeg 
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honestly i can shine one of these new led flashlights in there and see good enough too


Steve, I finally tweaked it enough to see inside and although I don’t know exactly what a straight pick up to be looks like it does not look like the end of the tube in my later model 247. Instead I think I see a bulb area like the end of a regular 242 751AE3CB-6386-4B8C-83B2-8690FE4FFA3F.jpeg 
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I think it’s a late 242K. Early frame, green under vent and the right date. I have one like it. Check for a straight pickup.
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Bumpkin 95 wrote:
If you have a rifle bore light? They are great for inspecting the inside  Of founts and usually can see the end of the F/A tube. I carry one in my pocket when hunting lanterns in the wild.


Thanks Lee. That’s what I wound up using. Although the end was not small enough to fit down in there it worked good enough for me to see the tube. 
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flywheel73 wrote:
I think it’s a late 242K. Early frame, green under vent and the right date. I have one like it. Check for a straight pickup.


Steve, I thought all the K’s has a Bakelite wheel for a tip cleaner??  A K would definitely be a prize if it is. 
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https://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/post/242-nl-sold-10591358?pid=1311995523&highlight=canadian+242+nl

This is one of a couple been on here the past couple months that I remember. I obviously have no idea, just having some fun.
Maybe @adelcoro can help shed some light?
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Looks like a good find either way. I myself have a bit of a gamble on it’s way and my be asking the what did I buy question next week. One of two options 1 definitely better than the other lol
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Toby, I remember that thread. I watched it. At the time I thought about saying I didn’t think it was a NL but I am definitely a novice and didn’t want to stick my nose in other people’s business unless I was 1000% sure( I’m usually about 8% correct ). So I appreciate all the post as I’m still learning. However, I wear a size 12. 
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However, I wear a size 12. 


Okay, I got my ugliest stinkiest pair of worn out size 10s boxed up ready to head your way... You shouldn't have a hard time getting your clown feet in these as the toes are no longer there ðŸ˜‚... Now the question still begs... Why is your collar unmarked?.. stamping presses must have been down that day.. Nice lantern... Whatever it may be ðŸ˜
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Tgarner01 wrote:


Okay, I got my ugliest stinkiest pair of worn out size 10s boxed up ready to head your way... You shouldn't have a hard time getting your clown feet in these as the toes are no longer there Ã°Å¸Ëœâ€š... Now the question still begs... Why is your collar unmarked?.. stamping presses must have been down that day.. Nice lantern... Whatever it may be Ã°Å¸ËœÂ


LOL. I have no knowledge of these so the book is really the only reference I have. The frame rest was actually my biggest question but the last sentence of the description on the 242A says lighting instructions appear on late base rest which I take to mean some of the earlier ones are blank. Also that’s what made me think it might be an early 247 because the frame rest are blank on those. 

According to the book neither the 242NL or the 242A have the model number anywhere on the lantern. 

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Did the 247s have the larger air tubes? Or some other 242 variant?
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Tgarner01 wrote:
... Ã°Å¸ËœÂ
Did the 247s have the larger air tubes? Or some other 242 variant?


To me, my actual late 247 looks like a 242 with the exception of the preheat cup, its clip and of course the pick up tube. The 249 appears to have larger air tubes but I’ve never seen one in person. 

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Ah, 249 it is... So many more single mantles to find..
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What is a 242NL? 
i've been reading about NL lately is it a newly discovered model? 
Maybe you meant pre 1934  "242 Junior"?

In 1935 Toronto produced the gasoline 242A and gasoline/kerosene (multi fuel) 242K "Scout" 
looks like you might have one of the two depends if it has a straight pick up tube or an FA tube.

247 was introduced in 36 

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adelcoro wrote:
What is a 242NL? 
i've been reading about NL lately is it a newly discovered model? 
Maybe you meant pre 1934  "242 Junior"?

In 1935 Toronto produced the gasoline 242A and gasoline/kerosene (multi fuel) 242K "Scout" 
looks like you might have one of the two depends if it has a straight pick up tube or an FA tube.

247 was introduced in 36 

Agostino


I have a bad habit of repeating things I’ve heard other people use to refer something as. I’ll start using Junior. 

Is the 247 different from the 247 Scout?  The book and the ICCC page  ( which I use because I’m ignorant of these things) says it started in 34

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NL stands for "No Letter" it's short hand jargon; not used on the lanterns themselves

Coleman made for instance:

242
242b
242c...

First in the series had "NL"
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Double or single slit collar?
I'm thinking 242 but there is the possibility it's a 242k with that date.
No writing on the collar? 
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major_man wrote:
Double or single slit collar?
I'm thinking 242 but there is the possibility it's a 242k with that date.
No writing on the collar? 


 If I seeing what I think I’m seeing at the end of the tube it’s not a straight pickup tube.  I think it’s a 242A. I may have to polish it a bit but I’ve used 3 different lights and I seen no writing at all on the collar.
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major_man wrote:
Double or single slit collar?
 


William, I think I figured out what you meant by double slit. One for the tip cleaner and one for the valve stem?
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Looks like a good find either way. I myself have a bit of a gamble on it’s way and my be asking the what did I buy question next week. One of two options 1 definitely better than the other lol


Can’t wait to see it!!
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Thanks Steve!!  I think it will clean up pretty nice. 
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a 249 would have a straight pick up .
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a 249 would have a straight pick up .


A 249 is at the top of my want list. 
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I have a bad habit of repeating things I’ve heard other people use to refer something as. I’ll start using Junior. 

Is the 247 different from the 247 Scout?  The book and the ICCC page  ( which I use because I’m ignorant of these things) says it started in 34

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I have a bad habit of repeating things I’ve heard other people use to refer something as. I’ll start using Junior. 

Is the 247 different from the 247 Scout?  The book and the ICCC page  ( which I use because I’m ignorant of these things) says it started in 34




Yes all pre 1934models were "Juniors"

247 is the "Scout"
and it was introduced in 1936. 

In 1936 🇨🇦
The 247 replaced the 242K. 
and the 242B replaced the 242A.🇨🇦

The late 1935 242A and 1936 242B were identical lanterns with the same parts. 

No mention of the 247 in the 1934 and 35 catalogues ,only 242K.
The 1936 catalogue has the 247 and 242K models.
The 247 was basically the same as the 242K
-only difference was the addition of the improved check valve pump, and eliminating the problematic plastic tip cleaner that always broke. 

I have seen some mid to late 1935 242K (transitional models) with a mix of 242K and 247 parts
Im guessing until all the 242K parts were used up , no waste in that factory. 





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Thanks!!  I need to stop referring to the book and the ICCC page that show they started in ‘34.  3D374E67-5248-4C71-A312-D35B3880020A.jpeg  AC149125-C58F-49AD-BF6A-50531221095C.jpeg 
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George Rocen had a 247 dated 9 34. I was convinced enough by his images and the particulars to use that as the basis for listing it as I did for the Coleman book. It could have been one of a few made later that year, including in Sept., for a possible release in '35. The next oldest 247 I've catalogued is 1 36 so I may have been wrong.

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Thanks Terry. I wasn’t really disputing your info. It was my weird way of saying that there was other info out there that believed they started before 1936. 
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25 502s wrote:
Thanks!!  I need to stop referring to the book and the ICCC page that show they started in ‘34.  3D374E67-5248-4C71-A312-D35B3880020A.jpeg  AC149125-C58F-49AD-BF6A-50531221095C.jpeg 


Sorry, I was being sarcastic here!!
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No offense taken, Jason. 

When we were working on the book we were researching many of the models at the same time. We asked collectors for information on the appliances in their collections. Everyone was great about answering questions, sending images, etc. I was able to create spreadsheets for a number of lantern models and have kept adding data to them since the book was published.

There were models for which we had very few examples. In the mid 1930's Coleman was still working out how to identify models. Some of them aren't marked. That adds to our frustration today trying to be sure we have the correct identification.

The good news is that new finds are still being made and we have the internet.

I recommend collectors join the ICCC and support our efforts to learn more.

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Thank you for the clarifications Terry. Always glad when you stop by to add your perspective and experience. 
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Yeah thanks again Terry. I really do use the book and the ICCC page a lot to identify my stuff. Now may be a good time to go ahead and join the ICCC. 
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Thanks for all the input. The fount it pretty grungy inside and I can barely see the tip of the tube but I almost positive it a FA tube. So I’m going to consider it a 242A at least until I can confirm otherwise. Thanks again everyone!!
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