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Quick Cal
So I've been determined to get this "SHELL" Japanese heater going. Cleaned it all up and installed new mop string wicks. It' takes 20. But 2 off the tubes were damaged and had to be removed. So I thought I would just run it with 2 missing wicks.

I lit it and it ran fine for about 15 minutes or so. It was midnight so I shut it down for the night.

Next morning I went back out to the garage and fired it up again. When you light this, it smokes a lot like a Perfection heater but worse, until you close it up. The mica window is shot and I can't see in very well to see how the flame looks.

The burner/wick assembly looks very much like a Butterfly stove.

So I've read you have to let these burn in a long time. So I lit it, watched it awhile, then when in the house to make coffee. I kept poking my head out to look at it. All seemed fine.

So I went out 1/2 hour later and the garage was full of smoke and soot. Hmmm.

So I looked in the window and could see the flame was much bigger than before. I thought this was normal and I just needed to adjust it down. I turned it down and back up 2 times. Then I lowered it a third time and the thing BLEW UP!!. It didn't throw shrap metal or anything. But you think a 236 fireball is bad, you should have seen this. If the main body wasn't held on by a hing and latch, I'm sure it would have blew off. It burned the hair off my hand and arm. Made my whole arm and face numb from the percussion. I had my face down there looking in the window.

So I got damed lucky.

After I calmed down from my near death experience,,,lol, I had another look at it. I left the unit open this time and lit it again with just the catalytic converter in place. All seemed well at first. Then I could see the flame dance across the hole where the missing wick was. And every so often it would ignite, but just for a second. So I'm thinking that let fumes build up and finally ignited. It blew kerosene all over the heater. It was not leaking either.

Or there is another possibility. When I pulled the wick assembly out there was a piece of char in the kerosene tank. There's only 2 ways it could have got in there. It came off a wick next to the empty hole and fell into the kereo and ignited it. But that would have to be one in a million. Or it just fell in there when I pulled it apart.

What ever happened, I think it was from the missing wick and the fumes ignited. I honestly didn't think kero would do that.

So I'm Hell bent to get this to run right,,,lol. I'm now making replacement tubes for the wicks.

Tell me if you think this will work,,,lol.
 
The more I touch this thing, the more tubes fall apart. I bet I end up changing all of them,,,lol.  Now an upper tube is damaged.
 
So I found some 3/16'' or 1/4'' (not sure what size)  coiled stainless steel that will work for the lower tubes. I had a hell of a time getting it straight though. I then flared one end. I think I can put a dab of jb weld on it to hold it in place.
 
I could not find any stainless for the upper tube. So I used some 5/16'' coiled copper tubing that I can slide the other tubing into. I had the same hard time getting it straight enough.
 
So. The question is will the copper tubing take the heat of the flame. I know I've soldered copper pipes and got them too hot and they smelled funny. Do you think I will be ok, or should I try to locate some stainless for the upper tubes as well. Thanks.

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Copper upper tube.
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This is where the flame will be on the copper flare that I made.
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Lower tubes (3) made out of stainless.
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frantheman
I'm glad you're ok!
Erik
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macwacs
I would feel safer with stainless
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10gage
Come on Cal lay off the spices
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liteitup
You must have come across a WW II kamikaze top secret weapon.
Hope you heal up quickly.

I love kerosene things, have aladdin lamps, a perfection heater, and some newer kerosene heaters that are heavier and bigger than the perfection heater.  Can't imagine the kerosene heating up enough to give off fumes but who knows. Ran two 23,000 btu kerosene heaters yesterday and one right now.

Copper should be fine as people have beat on sheets of copper and formed copper pots to cook with for probably thousands of years. Your fixes look very nice, both the steel and copper tubes.

James is probably right, 😁
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Quick Cal
Is that you Cheech. O wait man. I'm Cheech. You must be Chong.   [sSig_cool2]
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74HARLEY
Well it's good to hear you are ok, if you get tired of this one you can always pass it along to me. I may be crazy too! ( Well "may" is probably the wrong word) keep up the good work!
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Quick Cal
74HARLEY wrote:
Well it's good to hear you are ok, if you get tired of this one you can always pass it along to me. I may be crazy too! ( Well "may" is probably the wrong word) keep up the good work!


Dude. You want it. It's the bomb. Literally. It's a bomb,,,lol.
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JimL
Glad you're OK and no lasting injury.  I'm impressed by your determination to complete this and not backing away.  However, I think the next time I lit it, it would be out in the yard, way out in the yard.  🙂

Seeing how heating copper flashing with a torch made it flexible when bending versus cracking before heat treatment, I too would feel safer with steel.  Not that copper can't handle it, but I know you can't use copper for a flame spreader on a stove.  Well, at least not for long.   I wonder if any steel brake lines from an auto parts store would be the right diameter.  It's been a long time since i got some, but these were straight tubes you would need to bend yourself. 

-Jim

Flammable liquids, open flame, what could go wrong?
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Quick Cal
JimL wrote:
Glad you're OK and no lasting injury.  I'm impressed by your determination to complete this and not backing away.  However, I think the next time I lit it, it would be out in the yard, way out in the yard.  🙂

Seeing how heating copper flashing with a torch made it flexible when bending versus cracking before heat treatment, I too would feel safer with steel.  Not that copper can't handle it, but I know you can't use copper for a flame spreader on a stove.  Well, at least not for long.   I wonder if any steel brake lines from an auto parts store would be the right diameter.  It's been a long time since i got some, but these were straight tubes you would need to bend yourself. 


Ya. This last time I lit it, when it was time to shut it off I reached for a 2' level. Then I thought , Na. I don't need no 2' level. I grabbed a 4 footer,,,lol.  And I aint jokin.

I too thought of a brake line. The 5/16''  copper that I used was a little snug from not being straight I think. I just drilled it out a little to make it bigger. Going to check out brake lines tomorrow.
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williamlee111
Some of the most dangerous words in the English language when using devices that burn are
 
"It should, I think, maybe, it probably, I didn't, it shouldn't."
Has the guys have said before me you are very brave and I commend your stick-to-itiveness.
If I had it that thing it would have been on offer up as soon as it cooled down, and I dumped the fuel out.
Not looking for anything. I have too much already, my wife says. 
 
 Bill
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Quick Cal
Some of the most dangerous words in the English language when using devices that burn are
 
"It should, I think, maybe, it probably, I didn't, it shouldn't."
Has the guys have said before me you are very brave and I commend your stick-to-itiveness.
If I had it that thing it would have been on offer up as soon as it cooled down, and I dumped the fuel out.


You forgot it will be all right, we're not going that far, and I'll go slow,,,lol.

No way I could sell it as is and let some other fool get hurt. Of course I could do something to it to make sure it never ran again. But even if I don't get it going, it still has a cool history. "Only known example in the world".  Maybe there's a reason,,,lol. No one else around to brag about it after "The Explosion",,,lol.

But ya. Me and this heater. It's on like Donkey Kong!!  I don't even care that much about the heater. It's the challenge of making it work.
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DougA
I know some folks here mix CF with their kerosene for use in GPA lanterns.  I wouldn't want to try that mixture in any kind of a kero wickie device (gas + wick = Molotov cocktail) .  You wouldn't happen to have accidentally used a mix like this in the heater?  Seems strange for a heater to explode like this.  Glad you and your environs are OK.
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Greatgoogamooga
Assuming DougA hasn't already guessed it, your hypothesis about a piece of char falling into the me to wouldn't do it.  You can light a match and put it out in kerosene.  

Have you considered inquiring at Miles Stair's Wicks?  The man knows his kerosene appliances.

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outlawmws
My thoughts:

The copper will be fine.  it won't melt.  (For example: OA torch tips are made of copper, and I've used copper and brass as a "backup plate/heat sink" when MIG welding thin metal...)

I disagree about the Kero not getting explosive.  COLD Kero, sure,  so will cold gasoline...   Its all about the temp of the fuel, it's vaporization temps, and available oxygen.  The heater ran for hours, so lots of time to heat up,  the Kero got hot,  The open holes/missing tubes, provided access...
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Chucker
Of course stainless steel tubes would be better but since it's kero I would think steel brake line would also work. The kero will help keep it from rusting - to a point anyway and stand up to the heat, no problem. 
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Glad your doing ok after that.
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Quick Cal
I found some stainless for the upper tube. With out thinking I used jb weld to secure it in place. As an after thought I read regular jb is only good for 500* and just a candle burns at 1850*. So I heated up the jb with a torch and removed it all. The I swegged in the upper tube.

I got the thing running. I gotta tell ya. I was nervous,,,lol. I made a video of it but right at the end my dang phone rang and interrupted the video. So look for part 2 also,,lol.

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10gage
Great job Cal
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10gage
Same part two on his YouTube page he is still alive folks still alive
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Chucker
Excellent explosion remediation Cal!

I was surprised how low the flame could go and then could be raised to full output. 
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Quick Cal
Hey Russ. That's my dad. I leared everything I know from him,,,lol.

Actually. I'm calling bs on that video. He has on a different shirt AFTER the explosion,,lol. Still good though. Scared the crap out of me.
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