200A and 202 reproduction
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in stock.

Helmsman
I've stuffed my graphic seals!
whilst stripping the valve body down the old, brittle graphite seals on the cleaner fell to pieces.
Are these still an available part? or is there a product I can use to recreate new ones. Bearing in mind, I live in New Zealand and can't easily get old Coleman parts.
Was thinking of using some loctite PTFE plumbers string as it is Natural gas rated.
What do we all reckon team?
Cheers
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Bill
Do you mean graphite valve packing?  If so, they’re available from the host of this forum, oldcolemanparts.com.
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Chucker
Hello James.
Like Bill says above, our host does have them and I understand you are not inclined to pay for shipping to NZ. Okay...

You might try any old graphite packing from a lantern/lamp made over there or in AU like Handi-Kero's etc. as you may find those still and could fit a 200a, 242, or similar sized valve. 

Next, I use from time to time, stuff called graphite tape or graphite ribbon. You wrap some around the shaft and tighten the packing nut up, loosen then add bits and pieces of the graphite tape by poking it into the space. The graphite forms to your lantern's shape inside. Test it. If it leaks and tightening doesn't work just add a bit more of the graphite ribbon. 

Mark at 'Justmantles.CO.NZ" has been a member here and may be able to guide you in a good direction there in NZ.
Chuck
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Rustytank
Graphite bonnet packing is what you're looking for. It will be in the plumbing section. That loctite product appears to have an actual string in it. I wouldn't use that.
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Chucker
Rustytank wrote:
Graphite bonnet packing is what you're looking for. It will be in the plumbing section. That loctite product appears to have an actual string in it. I wouldn't use that.


Will he find that in New Zealand? 
Chuck
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Phredd
Assuming you still have all the pieces - as a stop gap until you get new packing material - you could try just stuffing all the little pieces into the space between the shaft and the packing nut and re-compressing it.  I did this once while waiting for a new packing and it worked. In fact I didn't need to replace it.

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Rustytank
Chucker wrote:


Will he find that in New Zealand? 

I assume they have running water and faucets there. It may be called something different there though. OP should check with a plumber or hardware store and ask for the graphite packing used in older style faucets like the outside ones you hook a water hose to.
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Chucker
@Rustytank, true. I suppose they mastered indoor plumbing a few years ago. Good point.
Chuck
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Helmsman
Haha yes we do have running water and I work for a plumbing company. i'm sure I can find something similar or hopefully I have all the little pieces that fell out. broke into 2 or 3 pieces. also I don't mind paying shipping from the states. couldn't be that expensive to send a letter right? just not sure about the postage situation at this time with our boarders being shut.
Thanks heaps guys
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Helmsman
Graphite packing .jpg Found this product in all different sizes. Might work
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Helmsman
Just another thought. The cleaning stem is bent on each end with the graphite compressed between the nut and brass packer. How do you slide the graphite packing on? or is it split? or am I supposed to bend the stem straight and slide the nut off? haha I am referring to fitting an original Coleman graphite stem packer.
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Chucker
Helmsman wrote:
Just another thought. The cleaning stem is bent on each end with the graphite compressed between the nut and brass packer. How do you slide the graphite packing on? or is it split? or am I supposed to bend the stem straight and slide the nut off? haha I am referring to fitting an original Coleman graphite stem packer.


Whoa, the cleaning stem or pricker cleaner assembly is something I missed from your first post. I had wrongly assumed we were talking about fuel valve packing. 

If the cleaner pricker assy leaks the first step is to tighten the packing nut. Very few souls attempt to pull the pricker assy for just the reason you point out - it is nearly impossible to remove it intact and without bending the center rod. 

If you are not able to poke some new or old graphite in there you might be looking at a new valve assy which would include a pricker assy.
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MYN
I could see that you're talking about the graphite packing inside the tip or pricker cleaner stem. Those can be pretty tough to actually remove and replace without damaging something. You'd need to somehow straighten one of the stem rod ends first and then remove it from the body if you don't want to damage the packing. And you'd need to reinsert everthing back into iits body and bend the end back to its original shape after you're done. You did not mention which lantern model you are working on. These stems are not exactly the same for all. The picture shows one of these with a looped lever. Some have simpler, bent levers which are easier to straighten. Click image for larger version - Name: Coleman-Lantern-Tip-Cleaner-Stem-220B-228B-C.jpg, Views: 74, Size: 31.46 KB
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Rustytank
OP don't try to straighten the stem. If you can find this product you can poke it in there with a toothpick or such. If you can't find any of this as a last resort I'd take all the original packing pieces and put them in a small mortar and pestle with a small drop of mineral oil. Crush them into a paste until you have a uniform heat. Then use a tiny spatula you will make by flattening one end of a toothpick, pack the original compound back into the retaining nut as best as you can. Be sure to put as much as you can back in. Then reassemble it. The force of the retaining nut will reform it. Tighten it up snugly and ensure the pricker stem turns freely.
@Barrett where can OP find graphite bonnet packing in NZ?
Barrett is also in NZ and may know a source.
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Barrett
@Helmsman @Rustytank
I haven't found any graphite ribbon yet as I only had call for it once on a 236 valve packing, it was on a Sunday and the closest I could find at our Mitre10 hardware store was some plumbers hemp string with graphite grease.
It worked so well that I have never replaced it and had forgotten about it till now.

I should try and find some graphite ribbon.
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Rustytank
Reading about things like this on here and other forums where a member is needing a simple thing that I could have in a few minutes because I can see the hardware store down the hill from my house makes me feel very fortunate and wonder what in the world people in other places use?
 Barrett's plumber's string obviously works so OP has that option. But it seems odd that graphite ribbon should be particularly hard to find in a first world country. 
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Barrett
I'm picking it is available if I search for it in an engineering supplier, but on that Sunday our hardware chain store didn't have it.
There are a few products that get discussed here that I have not found locally, usually just an inferior substitute. 
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Rustytank
This kind of stuff is peculiarly interesting to me. If I'm ever where I can travel abroad. I'm going to be checking out hardware stores to compare them to mine.
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MYN
Yes, graphite tape and other expanded graphite forms would work great if you insert or pack these into the tip cleaner. Even some PTFE tape tightly wrapped around the tip cleaner stem and gland nut tighten down to re-form it would work for while. I've done that before.
That would save you from having to straighten the stem in order to re-insert a new graphite packing (if this is separately available at all). Straightening and re-shaping the stem is a highly delicate and risky task. You could end up having a broken lever due to metal fatique.
If OCP is within your access, getting a new tip cleaner assembly would be a much easier option.
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Helmsman
Thanks heaps guys.
I have found graphite valve packing rope at a NZ supplier. Also, thanks @Barrett. I tried the hemp and graphite paste trick and it worked a treat. I even had it in the van already. No leaks...yet

Finally got to light her up for the first time tonight and she goes a treat. A mixture of 1941 249 scout and a 1958 249. the old 1941 had a Holey fount😢.
here she is
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Chucker
Looks like a victory from here! Good work. 
Chuck
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MYN
Congratulations! Looks like it made your day.
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Rustytank
Awesome to see that!! Glad we could help.
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Barrett
@Helmsman that's a great win👍

Can I ask the name of the graphite rope you found and the supplier, I should get some too.

Cheers
Andrew

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Helmsman
The supplier is NZ safety Blackwoods. they sell tools and general engineering supplies. they have a few different brands. also fishpond.co.nz had a brand with all different sizes and lengths. didn't find any ribbon though. all seems to be square or round sections ranging from 2mm thick to 12mm.
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Barrett
Cheers, I know Blackwoods and have one near.
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