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Smudge
I recently acquired this 250 cp Geniol benzine(gasoline) lantern. I included a Petromax 829B in the photo for size comparison. I don't see many of these benzine lanterns around that haven't been converted to kerosene, so I may keep this original.
If I'm feeling dangerous, I may even fire it up on CF after I've replaced the fuel valve pip and pump check valve and added a heat shield. There's no rapid/torch preheater on this one. The tank, which smells like gasoline, needs to be cleaned-out as well.
I'll post the results when completed. Thanks for looking.
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Very nice. Rare bird for sure. I wonder what time frame it is?
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The seller said it's 1978 and number on the tank bottom is 3778. Apparently that's not the standard Petromax date code of the 1960's.
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Thats a really nice lantern and not very common.

I believe they are military?


Be careful using gasoline.
I believe Neil wrote a good article on the dangers of using gasoline with these models.
I believe it was posted here on the forum many years ago

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Thanks Agostino. I think you're right, it is military, judging by the matte finish. I'm not sure if it will run kero with the straight gen. I kind of hate to try because the vent looks nicer than most. I'll bet this lantern has never had any kero in the tank. Mineral spirits is another option I'm considering. I know there's greater risk involved with gasoline, but I'd like to fire it up at least once with CF just for the hec of it and with a safety plan in place. Hopefully, I'll remember not to shut it down with the pressure relief valve.
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What a great find, and with that globe!
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Thanks John. I like that globe too. The "Made in West Germany" has a nostalgic feel to it(Berlin wall period).

Thanks for the link Agostino. It's been a long time since I've read that article. I'll probably end up running this on kero. If only I could find a 250cp preston gen, then I would have a regular user lantern. I suppose one of those gens will appear on ebay someday.
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That one sure looks great, I wouldn't mind finding one of those myself...
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Joe, It looked a bit unusual to me. So I got it on a BIN on ebay.
Thanks for your comment.
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I've finished refurbishing my Geniol 250cp gasoline lantern. The d.I.Y. heat shield is my "version 2.0". It drops in over the valve with the generator removed. Both valve pips are new and there's no rapid preheater on this one, for which I am glad; one less hazard and less parts. I borrowed the EZ pump from a Petromax just for EZ testing. I fired it up with 100% white gas/CF and it runs beautifully. Then I added 66% kerosene to the tank. It ran ok, but not as cosistent as with the CF. Although the lantern is set up for gasoline, the design of the (civilian)lantern, overall, was intended for kerosene. Nevertheless, I'm going to keep it original and run it on CF, but not as a regular user. The last photo is with 100% CF in the tank. Thanks for looking. Click image for larger version - Name: 507F5698-D2B8-4D27-8413-C542C2B05883.jpeg, Views: 559, Size: 124.48 KB Click image for larger version - Name: 7F3F8536-B5EF-4199-9AF0-08545098DAE0.jpeg, Views: 560, Size: 109.23 KB Click image for larger version - Name: F717E0E0-F53E-43D3-A109-4D9CA1FE626B.jpeg, Views: 563, Size: 140.89 KB Click image for larger version - Name: 35EAE070-81B0-4C90-9184-F1AD0C1F67D9.jpeg, Views: 559, Size: 183.17 KB
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Very nice Karen. I see these for sale over here quite a bit, but never did buy one yet. They tend to come in pairs in a big wooden box with all the spares if you are lucky. That sure looks like a clean one, well done!
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Thanks, Ian. I've also seen those boxed pairs on ebay and they're pretty expensive, but nice. I like the idea of keeping this one set up for gasoline so that it's genuinely the military version.
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Looks interesting. Well done.

I’ve seen a few of these and a kero one might find me someday.

I watched a clean hands type guy try to light a new one once. Wish I had video of that experiment.

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Thanks gary. I think the kerosene versions of these are easier to find including some already converted to kerosene with the Preston loop generator. I wouldn't mind obtaining a 250cp kerosene Petromax either.
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Nice shield, You should get some slotted screws instead of the phillips. 
I'm still working on the pump pip on the 825B. 
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Without a doubt! Karen you are the retrofit genious wizard hands down! Beautiful job on the heat shield it is awesome! and if perhaps it should not work out i have some 150 and 500 shields that might be of some use?
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Otto, I looked up your post to refresh my memory. That 825B is a real gem.
I may try slotted screws though I haven't tried to find them yet.

Virgil, Thanks very much. And thanks again for the bonus parts with the lantern. It's always nice to encounter sellers that are straight shooters.
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I bought the same lantern years ago. I did run CF a few times but did the genny conversion on it. I also have a vent reflector for it
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I haven't seen those 250cp kerosene loop generators around yet. It's great that you have a reflector for that lantern. I imagine those are even more rare.

I've been runnng this on 50/50, CF/mineral spirits. I had originally tried using a coil in the generator, but it seems to works best with no coil and the original type screen mesh up top in the generator. The 250cp loop generators seem hard to find. Did you find yours in North America?
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Karen

My understanding is the upper vaporizers (generator) for the 250 cp lanterns is the same upper vaporizer used on the 150cp lantern with a nozzle change and cleaning needle change. There may be a burner cap change as well. That's why you don't see 250 upper vaporizers. The same is so for the 350 and 500 cp lantern upper vaporizers.

I would call britelyt just to be sure. Just let them know what size petromax your using and that it's the gasoline version and ask about the parts to change for the preston loop generator version. My guess would be britlyt can send you just what you need. That's why you don't specifically see 250 cp upper vaporizers listed on the website. What you see are nozzles, tip cleaners and burner caps specified specifically for the cp250's. Other than those parts it's the same generator as the 150 cp.

I think what will happen is when you tell them you need a 250 upper vaporizer you can order it but what they send  is the same generator as the 150 with nozzle and tip cleaner changed out. Also ask about the burner cap, That may or may not need to be changed out as well. That may be different from gas to kerosene.

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Thanks for the information about the 250/150cp generator. That would explain things. I'll probably keep the gasoline generator in there, at least for now. Although, I'm also going to look into getting a loop generator just to have it on hand. Also, I'm going to try using a 150cp nipple and needle on the gasoline generator, since, with the 50/50, CF/mineral spirits mix, it seems to be almost overdriving the 2C-HG mantle. However, it runs nicely with the pressure below the red line, at about 1-3/4 on the gauge.
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You can’t use a 150 upper unless you put on a 150 frame and Vent and shorten the length of the pricker upper rod. When I make it home for the holidays I’ll send you a 250 Loop upper carburetor.
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A member that used to be here worked for P Max in Germany and I got the Preston Loop genny from.him as well as a few other upgrade parts
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Thanks for the info, Jan.
Virgil, I appreciate your generosity. I'd like to pay you for that generator. Please PM me when you get home.
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No worries here. I love your enthusiasm and ingenuity on retrofitting and engineering new ideas. That alone is worth the joy of helping you out.
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A big thank you to zialantern/Virgil for sending me the kerosene generator (along with some mantles). I tried to talk him into the idea of letting me pay for it, but no luck.
Just another example of one of the great people here in this group.
I fired up the lantern with kerosene and took a picture. It runs beautifully.
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That's great. Was it a direct drop in change with no mods?
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Darien; just a slight adjustment of the u-tube height and pricker rod height, then fill the tank with kerosene.
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Awesome! You weren’t intimidated by it, you took the bull by the horns. Great accomplishment. You should be proud! All you
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Karen,

Well done. Impressive.

I’ve studied a bit learned a bit more and these (Petromax and variants) have lots of stories and mfgr history.

I hope to turn my cards over fairly soon.

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Thanks so much for the comments everyone.
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Karen, Glad you got that working on kerosene. I learned something new about these preston loop vaporizors to. I'll bet you like the smaller size of that lantern that runs kero. Have you got an idea of how many hours it will run on a full fount of kero?

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Stephen, Yes, the smaller size is something different and I like it. I don't know about the run time yet. The tank is the same size as the 829/500cp, so that would significantly extend the run time with the 250cp set up. I was running it on a pot-luck mix of kero, mineral spirits and CF, and it ran beautifully. Lately, it's turned into a pretty brutal winter here, but when things thaw out, I'm looking forward to some extended run times.
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Smudge wrote:
Stephen, Yes, the smaller size is something different and I like it. I don't know about the run time yet. The tank is the same size as the 829/500cp, so that would significantly extend the run time with the 250cp set up. I was running it on a pot-luck mix of kero, mineral spirits and CF, and it ran beautifully. Lately, it's turned into a pretty brutal winter here, but when things thaw out, I'm looking forward to some extended run times.


What type of Kero/CF/Mineral Spirits mix are you running, and is there a reason you prefer that mix?

I picked up some old cans of Ozark Trails CF with some lanterns I bought yesterday, and was trying to come up with a good way to burn it. If I can stretch or improve some Kero with it, that might be a way to get rid of it. LOL

I have three Kero Lanterns as of now two Egret Chinese Petromax clones, and as of yesterday an un-fired 1998 639B Pump Kero is not available in my area, so I have been using KleanHeat.
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There's no particular reason. I just happen to have a fuel jug with various types of fuel that I had emptied from some kero and kero mix lanterns. It's mostly kerosene though. KleanHeat sounds like a good idea. The next time I run low on kero, I'm going to try that. It's probably less expensive than mineral spirits and a safe and cleaner burning alternative to kerosene.
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Hello,
I am new to this forum, but not new to these lanterns.
I have had great success with the conversion to Kerosene with the Geniol 250 army version. Unable to get my hands on and actual 250cp vaporizer with loop, I have used the ones for the 150cp with the Geniol nipple that came with the lamp. I then use the 250cp needle attached to a 150cp conducting rod. Keep the original valve bar the same, as they are with the lower vaporizer for the 500cp founts, which this lamp has. Adjust air gap and all other parts and she is ready. After doing approximately 25 of these this way with 100% success rate and blinding bright results, I would say this is a good alternative to the the long lost 250 vaporizer. I have never seen a 250cp vaporizer so I can’t compare procedures.
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This is a picture of one that I converted. It is using a SILK-LITE 250cp mantle. Because of the hit and miss on the pumps on these, certainly not as a Coleman is, I tend to retrofit a tire valve and use a bicycle pump.
My starting procedure for this is the same as all of my other lantern and stove conversions. Start with no pressure in the fount with fill cap loose to prevent pressure, preheat properly, tighten fill cap and open valve all the way. Start by introducing a bit of pressure until it looks to be ready, then slowly pressure up to desired level. Even though my Coleman lanterns and stoves introduce air from the top of the fount for lighting purposes, I follow this procedure to control the higher pressure on startup.

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Welcome to the forum. That's great information for the Geniol 250. I've got only one, but it's one of my favorite lanterns.
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Smudge, I like the protection plate you made. Does the loss of heat to your fount cause you to pump pressure regularly? I find that these will maintain their pressure with the heat produced. 

I have a brass 250cp nozzle on it’s way from Taiwan to try on this. I like the durability of the stainless nozzles over the ceramic, so I decided to try a brass one. I don’t expect better performance because these lamps work great. I am hoping for the same performance, and more durable than ceramic, and with the connection being bras on brass, possibly avoid this coming loose. I have had the ceramics come loose with the shake of pumping them up.

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I have an Optimus 1200 with the early straight vaporizer. I'm wanting a Preston loop vaporizer for it. I'm going to give your method a try. thanks.
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  Dmacp, I wish you luck with the genny swap. I’m not familiar with the Optimus 1200 and hope the threads and all the parts will fit yours. Just remember to use the conducting rod made for the generator. With the Geniol I have the mixing tube pushed down as far as it will go. I never did measure the gap but will tomorrow if I remember. It must be ok or I wouldn’t get these kinda results. Most of them I put Peerless 24-A 500CP Mantles on, and the brightness is about as good as my Petromax 500 type lanterns and my Coleman 237. I used that same mantle on my Kero converted 242a’s and b’s, and they are equally as bright. I enjoy the ease of use with the Coleman’s, but for some reason, this type of lantern attracts me. I do have some with a positive shut off valve along with the normal pricker wheel. I prefer that setup.
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Brian K wrote:

Smudge, I like the protection plate you made. Does the loss of heat to your fount cause you to pump pressure regularly? I find that these will maintain their pressure with the heat produced. 


I do have to add pressure after some time, but I think the raised spirit cup results in shorter preheat time. However, it's necessary to use a Coleman style spirit bottle or a bottle with a curved tube to fill the cup.
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Great info Brian! I never looked at that angle
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I hope all that try this conversion method out have as good of results as I have. The one thing to note is, just when you think you pushed the mixing tube down all the way, loosen the screw and try some more. The mixing tube gets hung up unless you back out the set screw far enough. I wish I could compare the results against using a 250cp vaporizer, but I don’t have one. I feel it the fuel is vaporizing and the mantle is sunshine bright, GOOD ENOUGH.
Only drawback that I can think of would be if you need to remove the inner top casing for any reason you have a smaller loop to get the mantle through, but I have no problem getting the Peerless 24A 500cp  through and that is as big as I feel I need to go with this. If I was using the other more round ball type 500cp mantles, that may be a different story. 

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I topped off my last Geniol conversion last night with fuel and lit it up about 10pm. I placed it on a concrete slab on a board so it didn’t have to suffer sitting of the cold bare cement and away from everything Incase it decided to have a spell during the night. I got up at 6am and found it still burning bright. With the temp of 18* F and leaving the gauge just on the red, this morning it was reading just below the red mark and still enough fuel to burn. So with it able to sustain it’s own pressure in that temp for that long of a period of time, it truly has me impressed. This is the first time attempting this and figured I would get up to a totally black lantern. It burned for eight hours and still had quite a bit of Kero left, but shut it down due to work. I believe this here one is a keeper.
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I've got the same problem. If you are burning kerosene on a regular basis-Today's kerosene anyway-A Coleman carbons up the generator. I have a Coleman ad from the 1930's, they state the reason for the oversized generator on the 237 and 249.   The reason is they have more space for carbon and will run a while longer. The problem seems to be too much heat-the kerosene burns inside the generator and leaves carbon
I know there are kerosenes in other parts of the world that are not as bad. Possibly a higher flash point. I've acquired 237's that are so carboned up that the tip cleaner is seized up.
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I know this is an old post, but I would like to add some more info on the Geniol army gas lantern. I feel it is entirely safe to use Coleman fuel in these with these modifications. A positive shut off valve and a tire valve adapter for the pump. With these two parts in place, I feel the Petromax is a much safer white gas lantern.



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I had a workhorse lantern (CN Adams co) with that valve. When the jet threads opened up on me I could not reach the knob to turn it off. The fireball was 2 feet in diameter. so I used a hose. This was with kerosene. 
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