200A and 202 reproduction
frames back
in stock.
Deanofid


This is a fuel pickup I made for my 200 kero conversion.  Recently, the tip cleaner lever broke off
inside the valve casting, and Jerry (deepcrete) kindly sent me another valve so I can get my lantern
running again.  I figured since I have to take the old valve out of the fount anyway, might as well
replace the stock F/A tube with a straight pickup, since this is strictly a kerosene lantern.

Maybe some folks here will be interested in a few construction shots.





I copied the design of the regular F/A tube connection.  A little threading and drilling.
Of course, the tube will not have a rod inside it, nor the hole in the side of the
tube as on models made to run CF.






A little turning and more drilling.






And, that's about it for that little thing.

The pickup probably doesn't need any kind of end on the tube, but I made one anyway.
Didn't take pictures of that thing being made.  It's just a slug of brass drilled for
the tube, and a small pickup hole.






Time to solder.  A couple of fire bricks hold the piece in a handy position for heating.
I often use these fire bricks for silver brazing.  For this pickup tube, the parts only
need to be soft soldered, but they are still handy for keeping fire from the torch off
of my bench top.






A couple of tiny pieces of solder are snipped from the wire.  It takes very little solder
to do most jobs.  I often see solder piled up on and around a joint, and I suppose that
makes the fellow doing the soldering job feel like he's getting a strong joint, but
anything outside the actual joint does very little for strength.






A drop of flux on the joint is all that's needed to flow the solder.  I generally use
acidic flux, or the equivalent zinc chloride types.  I don't know if you can see it, but
there is flux on this joint, as well as the two bits of solder.  This flux is from Harris,
and looks like water.






A bit of heat from a small torch, and the solder flows.






Here's the pickup end.  Just a tiny dab of solder for this joint.






This will be where it lives from here on out.  I'll never see it again!

Thanks for looking.

Dean




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Gasman64
Very nice work, Dean.  I wouldn't mind having one myself, albeit for a 242 keroversion.  Just the copper tube neatly cut off would do(for me), but with your experience, I can see the fancy touches being the icing on the cake. Being able to machine brass as adroitly as you do is quite the advantage in this hobby.
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Really nice, this post should go on a sticky, there is a lot of info like this that gets lost in the background, but could be very useful for any one making a conversion.
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Very clean work.
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Awesome work sir! All of your projects are beautiful.
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JRdaSconnie
As always, your projects look awesome.  I have a finicky 200A kero conversion that likes to pulse.  Can't remember if I just pulled the F/A rod and spring out of the tube.  Think so.  My 242C kero runs GREAT and is blinding with a Peerless 24-A on it.
It'll buff out.

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SteveRetherford
maybe you havent seen an opriginal kero pick up tube Dean , its just a tube with a much bigger opening at the bottom . in a 247 , 201 its soldered into the botom of the valve . yours is replaceable wich is nice . here is a 201 assembly . yours is beautifull but kinda over built :-)
http://www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=807&cat=&page=4
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BostonTerrierMan
very nice work Dean
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ThosKiwi
Beautiful workmanship Dean!
Are you considering a run of "threaded adaptors" for the aspiring CCF kerophiles????
Nice job as always.
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JimDouglasJr
Nice work, Dean.  
Do you think you could just plug the air hole on one and remove the rod?
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jeepfreek
I wish I had the equipment and space to do stuff like that. On my 242C/200A Frankie, I soldered a piece of brass tubing over the broken tube on an AGM F/A tube. The threads are the same as Coleman. A little Permatex on the threads sealed them and I was off to the light up.



Hmmm, the site is still cutting off pictures!
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Deanofid
'

Thanks for the nice comments, fellows.
For those who asked, yes I can make more of these.  I only know that this will fit a 200a,
though.  I'm not sure if the valve on other lanterns such as the 242 models are the same.
If some folks want them, they would probably be best made with just the fitting that goes
at the top, and a slightly over-long tube without the little brass end.  That way, the person
doing the work on their lantern can cut off the tube to the exact length he needs.
I can make them just like the one I show here, if that's what someone wants, though.

On the two kero conversions I have, one is the 200a that I'm repairing right now, and the other
is a 242C, I didn't do anything to the F/A tubes.  Just put in a 201 genny, and a preheat cup,
and when the lantern is pre-heated, open the valve all the way.  It does the same thing as
having a straight tube when the valve is all the way open.  (The valve closes off the small
side hole in the F/A tube, which is not needed once the lantern is hot.)
Edit;  Kyle brought to my attention that this last sentence is wrong.  He's right.  The valve
opens the hole in the end of the F/A tube all the way, letting fuel flow straight up the F/A
tube without the need for air going through the side hole.
I always get this mixed up! 


SteveRetherford wrote:
yours is beautifull but kinda over built :-)

No, I hadn't seen the stock 201 valve before, Steve.  I built this one in this manner because
it pleased me to do so.    I didn't really think it needed the brass tip, but I liked it.

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i enjoy seeing what others are able to do, even tho i will never do it myself. your work is so nice and neat, that it is truly appreciated. keep it up and keep posting pics !!!

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Dean very nice work. Thanks for the soldering tips. I suck at soldering which I guess is because I was never really instructed on how to do it properly. I just gave it a go over the years and got to the point that things stick together LOL. But, using your method, i think that i may be able to rig something like that up in the future.
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Dean, nice work! I have the same problem as well! It's the fancy little finishing touches that makes it worth and gives the satisfaction! Now all we need is a nice clear glass...... I'm not going to say it instead Ill use the term 'fuel tank'
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Thanks for the nice comment, Ironhill, Curly and Swede.

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Deanofid wrote:
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For those who asked, yes I can make more of these. 


Price?
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I would like one myself. Could you pm the price to me? Geary
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(The valve closes off the small
side hole in the F/A tube, which is not needed once the lantern is hot.)


Are you sure about that? I screwed apart  and studied the f/a tube from my 236 but found no mechanism that shuts the side airhole.

The air first has to travel down through the outer tube before it can go up through the inner tube. I figured that once the opening at the bottom is cleared (rod is up, valve completely open) more fuel flows into the inner tube, blocking the "escape" passage for the air.

Maybe I have missed something?

I love the smell of white gas in the morning.
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Deanofid
Neils_betuwe wrote:
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(The valve closes off the small
side hole in the F/A tube, which is not needed once the lantern is hot.)


Are you sure about that? I screwed apart  and studied the f/a tube from my 236 but found no mechanism that shuts the side airhole.

Neils;
If you read the very next sentence in that post, you will see an edit to that statement that
I made over a month ago.

You folks who have asked about these in this thread, please send me a PM if you need one.

Dean


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SteveRetherford
Neils , the way i see it , its not like its closing a valve shut at that hole , but with the valve opened its far easier for fuel to be pushed up the larger un restricted center hole so it wins and gets the flow in that direction . its like a physics thing . im not good at explaining .

 a bit like trying to suck on a straw with a tiny hole in the straw , all you get is mostly air and a bit of drink , but gently put your finger over the hole and now it works real good  . maybe not the best description but its what came to mind .
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MNfarmer
Dean, very nice work, I do some work on a larger lathe but would love to get a small one for things like this. Are there any lathes you would recommend or any to stay away from?

Thanks, Darius
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Neils_betuwe
Yes it is a physics thing indeed.

I remember it from school, it's the law of communicating vessels

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communicating_vessels


The F/A tube is a briliant piece of design when you think about it

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DeanO , this has been on my mind since you made this . i wonder about the desighn using such a small hole at the end of your pick up tube  . first no coleman kero has such a small hole on its pick up . is it by chance or desighn or just ease of manufacturing to use the one tube instead of several parts combined in making the part ?  . diferent fluids have different viscosity , like kero is thicker and oilier feeling than CF . and now all the kero has to squeeze thru this hole first and may create a swirl efect or change in presures behind the hole , any fuel contaminents may converge there . im no physicist , just flaping my yaps sharing thoughts . its beautifull Dean , with outstanding workmanship .  im still scratching my head , probobly works just fine ?
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Scouterjan
nice job Dean, not sure how I missed the thread, I am with Steve on this 1, kero's had a straight tube with nothing on the end
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Deano the reason i am so  intersted in this thread is would like the removable desighn pick up tube but with strait pick up . i love the removable idea . i soldered  a new tube in a 247 as it was so messed up and then i kinda made another 247 valve . but its kind of a permanent fix as you solder up all the threads in doing so . with your desighn i could go back n forth easily .
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Deanofid
SteveRetherford wrote:
DeanO , this has been on my mind since you made this . i wonder about the desighn using such a small hole at the end of your pick up tube  . first no coleman kero has such a small hole on its pick up . is it by chance or desighn or just ease of manufacturing to use the one tube instead of several parts combined in making the part ?  . diferent fluids have different viscosity , like kero is thicker and oilier feeling than CF . and now all the kero has to squeeze thru this hole first and may create a swirl efect or change in presures behind the hole , any fuel contaminents may converge there . im no physicist , just flaping my yaps sharing thoughts . its beautifull Dean , with outstanding workmanship .  im still scratching my head , probobly works just fine ?


Steve, thanks for the nice comments and questions. 
When I made the first one, I hadn't taken apart a kero lantern valve, so I made it to be similar
to what the F/A tube looks like on a CF lantern.  After making this one, someone told me how
the factory kero lanterns just have a straight tube.  Maybe you told me?  I've forgotten now
who it was.

Anyway, I made the first one as you see here, and I just liked the look of it, so kept on that
way.  I did test out this first one before I sent any to other folks.  The lantern it is in has run
about three gallons of kero through now.  I run it most nights here at home.  It's a 200a from
'59 with a 201 genny, a stock preheat cup, and that tube.  It's never missed a lick.  My 242
has one of these too, and it runs and runs.
I'm only guessing, but I think that hole is plenty big.  Probably more area there than where the
kero would pass through a schrader valve in the new lanterns.

I'm sure the factory sees no sense at all in making the kero tubes the way I made this one.
It would be a wasted effort, since all that's needed is a tube soldered into the bottom of
the valve.  The first person who asked for a couple of these tubes wanted them just like the
one I showed here, so now I've made 7-8 of them like this.  Once you start something... 


MNfarmer wrote:
Dean, very nice work, I do some work on a larger lathe but would love to get a small one for things like this. Are there any lathes you would recommend or any to stay away from?

Thanks, Darius

Darius, I worked on large lathes and mills for many years.  I got this small lathe because I have
my little workshop in my house.  I have a couple other lathes, too.  The one I'm using for this
piece is a Taig.  They're made in Arizona.  Very good machine.  Repeatable, heck for stout,
accurate.  It does not have a lead screw, so thread cutting is with dies and taps.
This one is very small.  Four inch swing and about a foot between centers.

For a thread cutting lathe, and larger items, I also have an Atlas 618.  They are no longer
made, but they made a lot of them and there are still plenty around.  It will cut a huge range
of threads, has power feed, and most of the normal stuff you find on an SB or Monarch.  No
power cross feed, though.

If I tell what kind of lathes I would not buy, someone is bound to get upset.  Suffice to say,
I try to buy machines that were made by folks familiar with imperial measurements.

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a pretty smart puppy told me all ya have to do is remove the Fand A rod and your absolutly fine ( sorta proving the small hole is adequate . but there is just something i like about the strait desighn and removable i just like the idea of that .
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Scouterjan
Dean, just a thought, if the fitting on the end was wide open but a fine mesh screen soldered in, it could be removable for cleaning
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Deanofid
Yes, it was you Dan.  I have your other two here.  I just have to get to the PO
one of these days to get them sent off.  Thanks for the kind words.

Jan, that would be possible.  It's a good idea, especially for places where kerosene
is of questionable quality. 

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