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RolandChevalier
JANUARY 12, 2013

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I JUST SAW ANOTHER THREAD WHERE SOMEONE HAD DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS EXCEPT WITH AN ELECTRIC MATTRESS PUMP AND USED IT INSIDE THEIR HOUSE.   I WANT TO CAUTION ANYONE WHO WANTS TO TRY THIS TO MAKE SURE NOT TO USE ANY PRESSURE OR VACUUM DEVICE THAT CAUSES SPARKS.

SPARKS + COLEMAN FUEL =  FIRE OR EXPLOSION

MY DEVICE USES COMPRESSED AIR FROM A COMPRESSOR 40 FEET AWAY.  NO SPARKS.  I ALSO USE THE FOUNTMASTER OUTSIDE, IN THE OPEN.  ALSO BE AWARE THAT THE MASON JARS CAN BE EASILY BROKEN WHICH WOULD MEAN A FLOOD OF VERY FLAMMABLE COLEMAN FUEL.  NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT, ESPECIALLY IN YOUR HOUSE OR NEAR A SOURCE OF IGNITION.

PLEASE BE CAREFUL WITH COLEMAN FUEL, IT CAN BE A KILLER IF MISHANDLED.


I try not to use the word hate often, but when it comes to cleaning out founts I don't hesitate.  I've been collecting for just under 4 years, and have several hundred items in my well sealed garage.  I have put off doing this nasty task because I usually end up wearing stinky fuel, swearing a lot, and spending a lot of time doing it.  Only a very small number of my collection have cleaned and dried founts, therefore there is a high level of fumes in the air.  I have noticed that I feel crappy after being in the shop for less than an hour, so something had to be done.

May I present:  The FountMaster-3000



The FM-3000 is used to move solutions to and from a fount for fuel removal or cleaning purposes.  It avoids spilling,  funnels, other containers, mess and fumes.  It is fast and easy.  Tonight I rinsed and drained about 20 lanterns in a couple of hours.  This was the first time I used it, and I stopped to  take pictures.  This included drying the founts, more on this later.

I tried to keep if fairly simple and cheap.  The whole thing mounts to a large mason jar.  Several jars can be used to hold different solutions.  Just screw the unit on to the appropriate jar.  
The solutions will be stored in the mason jars, so no need for other containers.

PLEASE NOTE - THIS IS A VERY LOW PRESSURE DEVICE.  THE REGULATOR IS SET TO 15 PSI MAXIMUM.  THE MASON JAR IS NOT A PRESSURE VESSEL AND SHOULD NOT BE TREATED LIKE ONE.  IT ONLY TAKES A LOW PRESSURE TO MOVE THE SOLUTION BACK AND FORTH FROM THE FOUNT TO THE JAR.








This picture shows the valve assembly being lowered into the jar.  Note the right (short) tube is inside of the filter.  Fuel returning to the fount goes through this tube.  The "Fill" and "Drain" ball valves are in the closed position.



Operation Steps

  1. Screw the modified filler cap to the fount.  Notice there is a short piece of plastic tubing over the copper tube.  This allows use on different depth founts.  The plastic tube must rest in the corner of the fount where the bottom and side meet.
  2. Screw the valve assembly to the appropriate jar, use the filter with the "Clean Fuel" jar. Make sure both ball valves are closed.
  3. Make sure the joystick is in the center (off) position.
  4. Attach the air line.
  5. Set the regulator to 15 psi.
  6. Shift the joystick to "Fill" (down in the picture)
  7. Watch the fuel level drop in the jar, when it slows or stops then close the fill ball valve and joystick to off.  Now there is a bunch of fuel in the fount.
  8. Shift the joystick to "Pressurize" (up in the picture) this will pressurize the fount to 15 psi.  About 2 seconds is lots, then shift the valve to "Off".
  9. Shake the fount a bit to loosen and suspend dirt water etc.  Not too much or you will break the mantle (don't ask me how I know this).  Hold fount at a bit of an angle to place the plastic tubing on the inside at the lowest point of the fount.
  10. Open the "Drain" ball valve.  All (or most) of the solution in the fount will be forced back into the jar, followed by air.  Move the fount around a bit to make sure all of the solution is forced out.  Close the "Drain" ball valve when the bubbling has slowed or stopped in the jar.
  11. Repeat the fill/drain cycle as many times as desired.  If using clean fuel and the filter, each fill/drain cycle will remove more particles from the fuel.  It takes about 5 seconds to do a fill/drain cycle.

The last thing is to dry the fount.  I have a low/high heat gun that I mounted an aluminum funnel to.  I place the funnel in the filler neck so that there is a bit of space for air to escape.  I leave the gun running on Low for about five minutes.  Because the FM-3000 drains the fount completely, all that is necessary is to evaporate the small amount of fuel on the inside surfaces.  Just before I remove the heat gun I switch it to high for about 20 seconds.  The result is a "factory dry" fount.  An improvement to this setup would be a piece of copper tubing mounted to the end of the heat gun, so the end of the tubing could be put deeper into the fount and allow air to escape easier.



SAFETY NOTE:

The heat gun can obviously be a source of ignition for volatile Coleman fuel.  An empty fount with just fumes is not an explosion hazard, but a container of Coleman fuel is.  Make sure you use the heat gun away from all fuel sources.

Variations:

Scummy Fount / Rehab

This nice 220E had lots of scum in the fount, so I threw in some shrapnel and filled about 1/2 full with "Dirty" fuel.  I did the BB dance, drained and filled a few times and inspected.  Still some crud on the bottom of the fount, but otherwise clean.  I left the shot and nuts in the fount and filled about 1/2 full with marine clean.  I will leave it there for about a week, shaking a few times a day.  I will drain the marine clean into it's own mason jar, and then rinse with the "water" mason jar.  The last step will be to pull out the shot and treat with metal ready for about 1/2 hour.  I will drain the metal ready into its own mason jar, then rinse thoroughly with the "water" mason jar until perfectly clean.  I will dry the fount with the heat gun again,  obviously much more time will be needed to dry the water.




Kerosene

Fill/drain a few times to the "Kerosene" mason jar, and then fill drain once or twice with the "Clean Fuel" jar.  This will greatly aid drying because the kerosene will have been flushed away by the Coleman fuel.


Construction Notes:

The top plate is made out of a piece of plastic I had lying around. I rough cut it on my band saw.



And finished it with my router and a simple jig.  If you look close you can see a small router bit in the hole of the lower plywood.



Three 1/4 NPT holes take care of the lines in and out.  These shots were taken early on, before I changed the valve setup a bit.






The long tube carries fuel from the fount, the short one returns fuel to the fount, and the center one allows air in to pressurize the jar slightly to force the fuel into the fount.  The filter is made from some fine brass screen that I soldered together with my soldering iron.



I used a beat up filler cap and placed it on a surplus fount to hold it for drilling.  Each different filler cap size will require its own adapter.  A rubber or cork stopper can also be used for odd sized opening.





For safety and health reasons I use the FM-3000 outside.





Thanks for looking.
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StanDahl
WOW! I thought you were joking at first, but that's way too much work to be a hoax!
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Christopher_OR



What an amazing solution to a very common operation in this hobby!


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manul

Wow!

I use a big pipette to get residual fuel out of the founts.

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Deanofid
This should get the CCF "Cool Gadget of the Year" award! 

Thanks for showing your good work.  Looks like a great tool! 

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Whoa. I'm I am sure this is Star Wars related stuff here

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Good job Roland
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Now Glenn, that had me in tears I was laughing so hard!  Maybe Roland should call it the Fount Enema-tor 3000.
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RolandChevalier
Oh that's what that means.  Glenn, where is your mind?
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MantleMidget
Roland, this is over the top, waaay over...... but seriously dude, you need a hobby!
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weasel
Wow.  Really neat idea Roland.  Lots of time and thought went into that.  Well done.

I only have one concern and that is with your drying system.  Its the CF vapors that are explosive, not the liquid.  Either will cause a fire, but if you get the air vapor ratio just right:  BOOM.  I would find a way to get that heat gun further from any potential fumes, like maybe a couple of feet.
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Dude that is awesome....now my question is what are you doing with all the crap fuel.
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AWESOME Roland, just awesome
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Roland, that is stupendous!  What a clever device!  I think you ought to get it patented.  Hmm, there are more than a few bucks in that thing.  I didn't even know there was such thing as a joystick valve thingamajig. 
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RolandChevalier
Thanks for the kind words fellas!

Don't worry about explosions weasel, there is not enough fuel or vapors to cause much of a bang.  I've tried lighting and empty fount with a BBQ lighter.  All I got was a little pop, and a very small flame that would barely stay lit.

Sorry Flash, I only got a few cups of fuel from 20 or so lanterns.  Most had been run, or poured to almost empty.  Or did it all end up in the air in the shop?

Steve, the valve is just a typical pneumatic valve with a hand operator.  I got it at Princess Auto for about $25.
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MustXcape
That thing does fit the description of "Major Suckage"

You seem to have covered every conceivable application, so I'm surprised you stopped short of gold plating the fittings!

I see a business opportunity - you should hit the road with a flush 'n fill service - or maybe franchisees?

Most Impressive!
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were is the flux capaciter ? loooks very ingenious !!!

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Very well done, Roland!

What a rig!

   
 
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RolandChevalier
Actually Anthony, in fact it doesn't suck, it Blows!

Steve, I don't want any electrical  charge near all that fuel.  I tried to keep it to bare bones, so no go-fasters on this baby.
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Now that is awesome!
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Problem + Craftsman = Solution.  Well Done.  (this should be archived)
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Coolerman
 That is truly cool!  Excellent implementation! 

 For the slow, cheap version you could replace the joystick valve and compressor with a Mighty-Vac hand pump. It will both blow and suck just by moving a hose and is hand powered. If you get the brake bleed option with it that comes with a small plastic jar setup similar to your mason jar. 
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I've done a few refinements Joe.  You will have a first hand demonstration on the 10th!
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Not only an ingenious getup, but the photos and documentation are just as great! Excellent!
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RolandChevalier
I have added another check valve on the center fitting.  The check valves prevent air or liquid from backing up into the control valve.  I also put a relief valve on the top to let air out of the jar when liquid is flowing from the fount to the jar.
 
Drain valve closed - Jar relief valve is closed
 
Drain valve open- Jar relief valve is open
 
Business end of the relief valve - a flat head screw!
 
View of the two check valves


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That's dedication. You're amazing.
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you know the problem with you engineers is you make things too darn simple for the rest of us to copy, thank goodness you didn't add a bunch of complicated check valves and vacuum air tubes and all sorts of soldering to complicate the design  Mark my word i will make the same someday, i already have Mason jar down pat....righty tighty; lefty loosey 

nice work buddy, cant wait to see this baby in action
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RolandChevalier
Hey Ling, how do you eat an Elephant?  Answer, one bite at a time!  It's really not that complicated.  For me this was a much more attractive choice than sucking out 3 or 4 hundred founts by hand.  
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BostonTerrierMan wrote:
you know the problem with you engineers is you make things too
darn simple for the rest of us to copy, thank goodness you didn't add a bunch of complicated
check valves and vacuum air tubes and all sorts of soldering to complicate the design


It has just as many parts as it needs to perform it's function.  No more.  No less. 

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RolandChevalier
Thanks Dean, you said it well.
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MNfarmer
That is AWESOME! I really hate it though when I have half an idea and someone beats me to it AND does it better. I have a small vacuum pump that I was going to use  to make something similar but now it will just be a cheap knock-off. Oh well, maybe my idea for an automatic BB dance machine will work. Seriously, this post should go right to the archives.

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MNfarmer wrote:
That is AWESOME! I really hate it though when I have half an idea and someone beats me to it AND does it better. I have a small vacuum pump that I was going to use  to make something similar but now it will just be a cheap knock-off. Oh well, maybe my idea for an automatic BB dance machine will work. Seriously, this post should go right to the archives.

MNfarmer


Looking forward to FountShaker 2.0 from you soon....

I've thought about setting up something similar from a paint can shaker machine.
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So whatcha gonna charge me for one?
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RolandChevalier
Please see post number 1 of this thread for an important edit.
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Roland, it's easy to see you have expertise in engineering, and building a useful product..I am not so good at either.. BUT, I have what I think is a good idea..  My father in law built a gadget for cleaning brass casings for reloading.   My idea is based on that.  A small motor, pulleys  to put out low rpm, belt drive.. and a shaft threaded to match the thread of the valve assembly..  A support at that point, a bearing there would be good, to rotate the fount.. Then, add bb's, or other media, to the fount, turn it on and let it go until it is cleaned to your liking..  If this idea waits on me to be built, it probably won't be built..  There you have it. Any of you go do it.. I hope it works as good as I think it will.
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Great invention Roland!
Please bring it to Steve's next time, because there's no way I'm building that thing.
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I can t believe what you invented !! Roland all you had to do is use citric acid and some BBs and shake a little...lol


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RolandChevalier
LOL  Ago, you crack me up.

I know this seems like it was a lot of work to do, but I had several HUNDRED founts to clean and dry.  Trust me, it was well worth the trouble.
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RolandChevalier
I'm a bit embarrassed to say this but thought I should share my experience in the interest of safety.  Tonight I was using the Fountmaster and experienced a jar failure.  Early in the evening I had noticed a crack in the bottom of the jar I had been using.  I put the jar aside but did not throw it out.  Later I switched out the jars wanting to use the one with waste fuel in it.  I had forgotten it was the cracked one.  Long story short I got quite a surprise when the bottom popped out of the jar spraying fuel all over the work bench and me.  Luckily I had made sure my bench was not plugged in, I had no appliances near by and was right beside my open garage door.  In hind sight I should have been on the driveway like I said you should do when using this rig.

Take my advice, I'm not using it.

Even at low pressure the jars are easily broken.  Always work outside away from sources of ignition.  In the future I'm thinking I should not use the jars at all rather a container that can safely stand up to a bit of pressure.  Perhaps a steel fuel can would be a better choice.




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MantleMidget
Wow Roland, I'm glad you're OK!!

Thanks for the update!
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offrink
Great invention. Doesn't look that difficult. Just need a supply list! You remind me of my dad Roland. I argot a lot of do as I say and not as I do lessons! Glad everything worked out and no flamey flamey in the garage.
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RolandChevalier
Another member here has made a copy and sourced his items from the Internet.  He asked me a bunch of questions and then I never heard from him again.

Paging raftrask are you there?  Come in raftrask.
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hurricaner
Roland, perhaps the thing to use would be a 220 fount. You would need to solder a few fittings on but it would handle the pressure with no worries and we all have them laying around.

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RolandChevalier
That's a neat idea Sam.  I think it would be very difficult to clean that crap and water that would accumulate though.
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Aluminum water bottle?
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aephilli
Use MNfarmer's idea = use vacuum pump instead of pressure? Vacuum jar to empty fount, vacuum fount to fill from jar?
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RolandChevalier
The air pressure works quite well and is safe because there is no source of ignition.  I'm not sure how the vac pump is powered, but I suspect there would be the potential of pulling liquids and crap into the pump.  The only shortcoming of the jar is that't it's not really a safe pressure (15psi) vessel because it easily cracks.  A plastic container (as others have mentioned here) would probably be a better choice.  A nice feature of the jar is that you can see the liquid and how clean it is (or not).  It gives a good measure of the cleaning process.

Maybe something like this: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/9-PLASTIC-Storage-JARS-BEADS-GARAGE-Automotive-Parts-Nuts-boltsTools-SCREWS-/290951308311?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item43be0ca417&vxp=mtr&_uhb=1
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mcdugal2
Hey Roland, many jellies and jams come in plastic jars now that might be suitable... Even Kraft Miracle Whip...
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