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jjlietzke
heres how my first attempt at a fettle is going
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That looks very nice, good job!
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Do you have a first name we could use? "jjlietzke" is tricky to type.
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jjlietzke
yep, Jeff, im sure ill have plenty of questions so that should make it easier to respond lol
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JimL
Looks like you're doing great with that.  200's and 200A's are my favorites.

You may want to add your first name to a signature line or add it to your profile so we can see it. 

-Jim

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jjlietzke
JimL wrote:
Looks like you're doing great with that.  200's and 200A's are my favorites.

You may want to add your first name to a signature line or add it to your profile so we can see it. 

name should show in profile now
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Nice to meet you and have you here, Jeff! Yes, name shows now...
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74HARLEY
Welcome from Washington! Nice job!
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Looks good from here.  Keep at it.
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Welcome from CT! Looks good...especially with a beer within reach🍺
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Looks like you are on the right track. Make sure you put the spring on the F/A tube back on the right side. That'll save you some headaches.
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Very nice! Another good lookin' 200A, for sure ðŸ˜ŽðŸ‘

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I been doing some reading, watched the lantern lab video on rebuilding these, and went through the entire tutorial on this website of teardown, clean, and re-assembly of the 200A.  I have a couple questions.  I have the 0000 steel wool to clean things up, i will be getting some citric acid to soak the brass parts.  Inside the tank looks pretty good however around the inside of the full neck there is some rust, i will hit this with a bore brush and some carb clean, when i drained the old fuel there is some small flakes looks like pepper, i added a little fresh fuel and swished around and got a few more.  when i look inside the tank it looks pretty good but i can see small spots here and there, guess im just wondering how aggressive to get inside there?  I think the outside of the fount will clean/polish up pretty good.  on to the generator, when i removed the cleanout rod it has a black coating on it thats hard, how do i rebuild a generator?  how do i get the paper or cardboard and spring out and what do i do to renew the generator?  i know i can replace it but i guess im looking to learn how to fix the one i have.  the insides of this lantern appear as though it was not used much.  My biggest fear and concern is cleaning the cage, is this piece plated?  i have an electrolysis tank to remove the rust but dont want to remove any kind of coating.  If not doing the electrolysis then how do i clean this and i guess what do i do to prevent the rusted spots from getting worse?  same questions for the top piece containing the threaded stud for the vent nut.  and my last question for now, when i set the cage flat on the table it does lean slightly to one side, i'm afraid to try and bend or tweak it back as im not sure how much force it will take before i ruin it
-Jeff
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jjlietzke
almost forgot, before i tore this down i tried to light it just to see if it would work, i soaked the leather and got it to pump, but after 60-80 pump strokes it didnt seems to get any tougher to pump, i was using a good fuel cap from another lantern, and i didnt hear any air loss anywhere, however if i held my finger over the hole, the pump plunger would rise out of the fount indicating a leaking check valve, i did pump it up as best i could and held my finger over the hole and tightened the valve, but lantern still wouldnt light because the FA rod was stuck in the tube when i disassembled.  Can the check valve be freed up?  carb clean down into the valve?  this isnt something i want to remove if i dont have to
-Jeff
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Some just squirt carb cleaner down the pump tube.  I have a tool and prefer to remove the CV so it can be soaked in cleaner, hitting all sides.  Doesn't take long.
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If you just emptied fuel out, I’d personally skip the idea of using a metal brush on that neck.  I’m just paranoid of uncontrolled explosions and fires so wouldn’t risk a spark.  I suggest you put hot citric acid in there along with BB’s, and when cool enough to handle you can begin shaking it.  You can pour out the citric into another container and use a filter funnel to put it back in.  A few times ought to clear out all the loose particles.

i’m not aware of anything on the cage being affected by electrolysis, but learned the hard way that citric will remove the nickel plating on the air tube.

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Most 'coatings' of those burner assy's burned off years ago unless stainless steel (think ther 202). I soak them in citric, steel wool, clear coat. High temp silver is a favorite of some. 

The pump - you have an answer above. The rusted neck - I leave a bit of fuel in the fount, scrub in and out motion with a 20 ga. brass bore brush and dump out the fuel then filter it and do again if necessary. 

The gen. You can use steel wool to clean the pricker rod and to get the coil and tube out - remove the gen tip,  heat tube with a propane torch (just slightly red) and quench in a pan of cold water. Repeat until a slight push gets them out. Sometimes a small butane torch will burn the crud off the coil/spring as some call it. Cigar Mike sells just the 'cardboard tube' if you'd like to get some. 
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Below is a good thread to get started with rebuilding a generator.  Most pics aren't showing up for me, possibly due to blocking the trackers.  When rebuilding a generator, some folks use replacement tubes from our host, some use wire, some de-soldering braid, some brass screen, and some use bronze wool.  I'm sure I'm missing one or two.  Myself, I only have luck using bronze wool to get a steady light, like a light bulb.  Follow Chuck's advice on heat and quench to remove stuck innards.  Once you have them out, look for a fine screen near the tip of the generator.  If you find it, get it out and toss it.  It's no longer needed and Coleman stopped adding them many years ago.

https://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/post/salvaging-a-generator-4707949?highlight=generator

-Jim

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Next time step one you might get it up to pressure and do a leak test. No point in wasting time on a fount with holes in it and you should be able to get pressure with far less than 60 pumps.

One thing that isn't really stated too clearly is how important it is to clean the bottom of the fuel air tube where the fuel pickup is. Stick a toothpick in there to really clean out the hole and then be sure to clean the rod with fine steel wool. These two parts really make the lighting circuit work and if they aren't perfectly clean it'll be much more difficult to light. Personally I don't soak any of the internal brass parts anymore, nobody can see them anyway. I just blow out the fuel air tube with carb cleaner, clean the bottom hole and wipe the rod with steel wool and put it back together.
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jjlietzke
Havnt had a chance to work on it for a few days but here is where im at.  FA tube and rod are clean, single piece cap gasket is removed and waiting for new one, I cleaned up the pricker rod, and the inside packing of the generator appears white or light colored still, im think im just going to leave it.  this lantern looks like it was barely ever run.  I did get the CV removed, i know some of you will cringe but im a mechanic, i used an impact driver and it came right out.  I found that the 3rd bit in the first row in my Wheeler engineering gunsmith kit worked perfect! The CV is in the ultrasonic tank right now.  When I removed it the check ball was loose inside there i could hear it rattling around, isnt this the way its supposed to be?
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25 502s
I can’t answer your question right now because I’m still cringing form the mention of impact wrench. Lol. Yes the ball shoud rattle and move freely.
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25 502s wrote:
I can’t answer your question right now because I’m still cringing form the mention of impact wrench. Lol. Yes the ball shoud rattle and move freely.


impact driver, not wrench. And when used properly and with common sense is a very effective tool, I have ordered the proper tool though, have a couple stove tanks leaking too. And I’m sure this is not my last lantern job as I enjoy it
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25 502s
Ok driver. I was just joshing anyway. 
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jjlietzke
25 502s wrote:
Ok driver. I was just joshing anyway. 


i knew you were 👍
just didnt want anyone to think i was wailing on it with a hammer, or hitting it with my big impact guns, i was really surprised it worked to be honest
-Jeff
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pagrey
Impact drivers are great at removing tough stuff without damaging fasteners. Pretty much the only way to get 500/500A burner screws out intact. Effective tool is a great way to describe it.
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jjlietzke
so heres where im at with my progress.  i think im ready for re-assembly unless anyone has any additional things i should do first.  i didnt "polish" the fount, just cleaned with simple green, i thought it looked good as it was.  everything else was cleaned in citric acid, the collar just cleaned in water and rubbed lightly with 0000 steel wool.  burner frame was cleaned with plastic bristle brush, simple green and 0000 steel wool then dried.  anyone see anything else i should do before re-assembly??  also i dont have the reference book yet, but a friend looked it up, this is a 10/73, according to the book it appears it should have a red knob and instructions on the collar?  i can see the older collar being used up on this model since they transitioned real close to this lantern, but what about the black instead of red knob?  knob disc seems correct
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 "anyone see anything else i should do before re-assembly"

Spring and fiber tube already inside the generator?
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Looking good, Jeff. Only thing I do differently is throw some wax on the paint. I use Mothers Carnuba Cleaner Wax. If your happy with it, git ‘er done and light it up!

I checked the book, mid-‘73 the collar changed to the printed w/instructions type and the knob came in black with the hollowed out back-side. As you suspected, it could be that yours just got an older collar.

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jjlietzke
Yep spring and tube already in the generator, and the black knob is the hollow back.
had to halt the assembly, still have a leaking CV, removed, attempted to clean again and then I found it, looks like a small chip in the ball bearing, which is probably why sometimes it sealed then the next time it blew air like a freight train, so now I wait for a new check valve
-Jeff
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25 502s
It won’t leak once you close off the stem. I would finish it and come back to the check valve later when you get a new one. 
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jjlietzke
Decided to put it together and do the CV when it arrives.  Here she is, first fettle and first lightup!  Fired up right away, big fireball with valve barely cracked, then it simmered down and quit.  No sound of fuel anymore so i shut the valve back off, pumped a few more times, and spun the cleanout lever.  As soon as I spun the cleanout lever i heard fuel again and it lit on its own, now I had a pretty good fireball, it finally calmed down and i opened it up for a nice burn.  It pulses slightly, i keep running the cleanout lever every once in a while and it seems to be getting better.  Shut it down and brought it inside, lit it again, still decent flames but it settled down quicker, placed globe,vent and bail on and let it burn for about 5 minutes.  Thanks for everyones advice and help, especially mds70 and FlyboyFwa!  I really enjoyed this and cant wait for the next one.
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Looks great! Nicely done 👍🏻
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25 502s
holliswood wrote:
Looks great! Nicely done 👍🏻


I concur!!
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JimL
Looks great!  Your efforts paid off.

How did you go about cleaning the cage?

-Jim

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jjlietzke
JimL wrote:
Looks great!  Your efforts paid off.

How did you go about cleaning the cage?

i ended up and just sprayed it with some simple green, and used a plastic bristle brush and some 0000 steel wool, washed, dried, blew off with compressed air and left it as is.  I’m wondering if I should have coated it with something?
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jjlietzke
Looking good, Jeff. Only thing I do differently is throw some wax on the paint. I use Mothers Carnuba Cleaner Wax.


does this do anything to protect the paint? Or is it purely cosmetic? I was going to use some rubbing compound, but after the simple green cleaned it up I didn’t bother
-Jeff
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JimL
Dang, I thought that was surface rust darkening it.  If it can look that good after all these years, I doubt any kind of coating could do more.

-Jim

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jjlietzke
JimL wrote:
Dang, I thought that was surface rust darkening it.  If it can look that good after all these years, I doubt any kind of coating could do more.

the top of it did have surface rust on it, I cleaned as best I could but didn’t know what else to do so I just assembled it, the underside of the bottom was perfect, and the bottom portion inside the lantern below the mantle is nice besides one decent spot of rust
-Jeff
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Congrats on getting it running! That is definitely a good looking 200A. It is satisfying seeing it light and know you did it right.  
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jjlietzke wrote:


does this do anything to protect the paint? Or is it purely cosmetic? I was going to use some rubbing compound, but after the simple green cleaned it up I didn’t bother

It does help protect the paint by cleaning any oxidation, polishing and sealing it up. I find it helps make it easier to keep the paint clean with a little wax on it, and also gives a little "depth" to the finish. For me, the all-in-one has been working fine. Others do separate compound and/or polish then wax to better control how much polishing is actually done to the paint (careful of the decal !!). I'd be reluctant to use rubbing compound on yours, it looks too good as is. Ultimately it's yours, and it certainly looks awesome as it sits; bottom line if you're happy with it, run with it. You can always apply afterwards if you decide to.

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MAN! I have to squint looking at these pics. She's a burnin' real bright !!! ðŸ˜Ž
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Beautiful lantern! Nice job.
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jjlietzke wrote:

the top of it did have surface rust on it, I cleaned as best I could but didn’t know what else to do so I just assembled it, the underside of the bottom was perfect, and the bottom portion inside the lantern below the mantle is nice besides one decent spot of rust


You did a great job!  Sounds like you have a lot of tools already. Those post-1960 frames are plated and are fine to put in an electrolysis bath. I throw the frame, bail, and vent bracket in together while I work on the rest. 

The upper inside part of the frame that was dark can be spot treated with naval jelly to get it clean. I use a lot of naval jelly. A brief brush on for 3-4 minutes on the aluminum collar cleans and brightens it. 

Looks like you are hooked now!
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That came out beautifully.  I don't know if I could bear to fire one after all that polishing.   
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jjlietzke
Thanks for the kind words everyone, I’m already looking forward to my next, but lanterns in the wild around here either seem to be scarce or made of gold.  Just received a 1982 SMP milspec today for my birth year but it doesn’t need much
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