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Northman49
I picked this up this morning, sight unseen and thought it would be a standard 242B like all my others. But not so. Date is 4/32. Missing vent nut and has green sunrise globe. No model number and the lighting instructions are stamped on the frame rest.....so...is this original ? I suspect it is one of the very first 242s...but I could be wrong.
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She was only a moonshiner's daughter, but I loved her still.

I keep my tools sharp...but my mind sharper!
  Ed
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SteveRetherford
242NL . thats a real score !!! notice the brass grommets in the bail holes :-) these dont use a ball nut !!! wrong globe , it would have been a straight sided not bulge .
[DrSteve2]    Steve , Keeper of the Light !!!
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rob_pontius
Very nice 242. I just acquired the U.S. version about a month ago. 
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Northman49
With that early date ( I haven't seen anything earlier yet) should it have a mica on it?
She was only a moonshiner's daughter, but I loved her still.

I keep my tools sharp...but my mind sharper!
  Ed
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scl
very lucky.
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rob_pontius
Having that bail, I believe that the mica globe is correct. 
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tonywebber45
Good score,looks like it will clean up well.
No honey its not another lamp,just parts for one I already have. ICCC #1479
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Newfie
I found one like yours back in November but the pump and NRV had been replaced. Mine is a 7-32.

https://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/post/canadian-242-junior-9926336?pid=1306245777
Shane Looking for the following Canadian birthday lanterns or lamps: 2-32, 6-34,
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Dmacp
looks like it still has the grommets on the bail holes in the vent.
Dan
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hikerduane
Nice score.
Duane
Duane-All seasons, year round backpacker and camper.  So many stoves and lanterns, who's counting.
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Mister Wilson
Excellent!
John
H.C. Lanterns dealer
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate #2001 A Turd's Odyssey
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Looking for 6-56 and 6-58 Birthday lanterns.
There's been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about.
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flywheel73
Great find Ed, I’ve been looking for one for a while now.
If a little is good, more is better, too much is just right
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Dan
I like that one.
Dan 
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major_man
Very nice!
William
WTB or trade for poultry or USFS.
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Mike
Sweet find!

Mine is a 4/32 as well and has the same details as yours. Mine has the droopy bail and when found had a cracked embossed bulge globe. Waaaaaaaaaaaah!

Mike.
My best gal is a Coleman outing pal!
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Guff
That 242 Junior is a very nice find, and an early one to boot.

I have a query on what you can see of the valve knob just visible in your pic # 5. That one appears to be a USA valve wheel, or maybe one from a later Canadian 242B, or a Canadian lamp. All of the Canadian Juniors I have seen from 1932 have the early large, fine splined valve wheel, Like the one I have pictured below, not at all like the USA one.
I would not change it though, as your lantern is an early Junior 242 model, it may well be that some of the parts may have been supplied from Coleman Wichita stock. As the Coleman 242 Junior was being produced in about the same time period in both the USA and Canada, it is quite possible that Coleman Canada may have sourced parts from the USA.
I have seen a few 1932 Canadian 242 Juniors which have the year and month stamped not only on the side of the fount under MADE IN CANADA, but also on  the bottom of the fount like the USA date stamps. I have one of these stamped like that, and the dates on the side are generally different, (by a couple of months), between the side and bottom fount stampings. 
There was some discussion about this double stamping many years ago here, and the general consensus back then was that the founts, or fount bases, were made and supplied from Coleman USA. Both the CA and USA  Junior frames had the recessed or stepped base plate frame, and they may also have come from the USA.

Anyway, regardless of that conjecture, you appear to have a nice early Canadian 242 Junior. It may have the wrong globe, and possibly the wrong valve wheel, but the rest of what you can see appears correct. Nice Score!!

Keith.
All the Canadian 242 Juniors I have seen have this type of valve wheel.
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 Edit....  BTW, could you please post a front on pic of your valve wheel and valve, frame and burner assembly, and also please check to see if there is a month and year date stamping on the bottom (underside) of your fount. Thanks.
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Northman49

Here are some close up pics.
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She was only a moonshiner's daughter, but I loved her still.

I keep my tools sharp...but my mind sharper!
  Ed
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Guff
Thanks for posting those extra pictures, Ed.

Your cage and burner assembly is all correct for your lantern.
However, I still think you may have an early USA 242 Junior valve, with the small valve knob, installed on your Canadian Junior. 
That early plated valve should have the early removable screen on the end of the F/A tube, as shown in this post of an early USA  242 Junior valve, here.
 http://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/post/242-junior-nl-valve-assembly-question-10053159?highlight=242+junior+fa+tube&pid=1307786314
Your lantern is a very early Canadian 242 Junior, maybe the first month produced, and it is quite possible that Coleman Canada used some parts early in their  242 Junior production period which were sourced from Coleman USA. I would not change it.

I think I can see a number 4 stamped on the bottom of your fount on the left, but can't see anything on the right. However, it may be under some of that surface rust, and will be exposed when you clean it. The left side number should be the year, with the month on the right, but that does not agree with the side of fount date of 4/32. Maybe the bottom stamped dates got reversed stamped.

You have a nice lantern there.
Keith.
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Mike
Being a Canadian lantern it wouldn't be dated on the bottom, just the side.

Mike.
My best gal is a Coleman outing pal!
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Guff
Mike wrote:
Being a Canadian lantern it wouldn't be dated on the bottom, just the side.

Mike.


Yes, Mike, that is normally the case with Canadian lanterns, and their dating stamps. However, you will find quite a few examples of these Canadian 242 Junior lanterns, the first Coleman 242 model lantern, that are definitely date stamped on BOTH the side of the fount under the "MADE IN CANADA"  wording, as well as on the base plate of the fount. I have one of these Canadian 242 Juniors where that is the case and have seen a few others date stamped in both places. Mine has a date of 12/32 on the side of the fount AND a very clear and distinct 2 on the left side of the bottom of the fount and 10 on the right side.

This subject of the date stamps in the two different locations on these early Canadian 242 Junior founts, and the fact that the month component of the two stamps was generally a couple of months different between the two stamps, has been discussed at length on this forum many years ago, by some very knowledgeable members at that time. And as I said in my first post #16 above the general consensus of that discussion was that these double stamped founts were made by Coleman USA for the Canadian Junior. The Canadian founts with the twin date stamps were from 1932 not '33, and I have one of those. I'm sure other members would have some as well.

Keith   
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Mike
Interesting, Keith. My 4/32 242 has only one date stamp on the side of the fount. Nothing on the baseplate. Coleman Canada was possibly bringing in USA made baseplates to make up a shortfall in Canadian produced plates?

Mike.
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Northman49
And just how hard was it to manufacture a flat baseplate in Canada  that US baseplates had to be used?  Must be some other explanation .BTW, how about a pic of the double dipping?
 Ed
She was only a moonshiner's daughter, but I loved her still.

I keep my tools sharp...but my mind sharper!
  Ed
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Mike
Northman49 wrote:
And just how hard was it to manufacture a flat baseplate in Canada  that US baseplates had to be used?  Must be some other explanation .BTW, how about a pic of the double dipping?
 Ed


Who knows, although the baseplate is a convex stamping with a lip. So maybe Coleman Canada has 50 founts and no baseplates left, don't want to do a short run of baseplates, and they call up Wichita to see if they've got a batch? Like I said, who knows?

Double dipping?

Mike. 
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Northman49
Double dates.
She was only a moonshiner's daughter, but I loved her still.

I keep my tools sharp...but my mind sharper!
  Ed
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Guff
Here are pics of my double date stamps on my Canadian 242 Junior.
There are a lot of other similar examples out there, it's been written about and talked about here previously.
I remember the old CCF post on this subject very well, but I couldn't find it in a hour of searching. I remember a few of the guys that contributed to that post had Canadian Juniors with the same double stamps, but different dates, and I'm sure there would be other members here now who have Canadian Juniors with them as well.

Ed, you have to consider the fact that Coleman Canada were making their first 242 size lantern in 1932. It was a completely new and different lantern to any other C/F gpa they had made previously in both size and design, which they had to tool up for. It is quite possible that they may have been short of parts, which they may have then sourced from Coleman Wichita, who were also making that same lantern. That is why I think that your Junior valve may also come from there.
Maybe some shipping records or some other evidence may surface in the future. What is fact is that there is evidence that Coleman used base plates that were date stamped on some of their 242 Junior lanterns in 1932, and never used any date stamped base plates on any other 242 model lantern they produced after that time.
It would be good to see some other examples our members may have of these date stamped Canadian 242 Junior bases, to be able to compare those dates with mine.

Keith.

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Edit...When searching through the archives looking for the old Canadian 242 Junior post, I mentioned above, I came across this post from Scouter Angus dated 2/2014.
In this post Angus shows his newly acquired Canadian 242 Junior which is date stamped 7/32 on side of the fount, and, 2/6 (6/32) date stamped on the fount base plate. So, there are some out there, besides mine.
See it here. https://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/post/canadian-242-junior-w-fred-kuntz-globes-post-3-6731557?highlight=canadian+242+junior&pid=1281868659  
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Wildbirder
Great post. 

Today i acquired a 4/32 Canadian 242. Pics to come later as I’m at work. Mine has the same valve wheel, collar, pump and bail. I’ll check for double stamping later. Mine did come with a 242A vent though. 

 Another point I’d like to bring up is the pumps are not pinned. Any other information on this as far as development and what models, US or Canadian it’s been found on. 
Mark
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Northman49
Wildbirder wrote:
Great post. 


 Another point I’d like to bring up is the pumps are not pinned. Any other information on this as far as development and what models, US or Canadian it’s been found on. 


   Well my NL has a pinned pump. Are you stating that yours is not pinned or  that they all should not be pinned?...not very clear.
She was only a moonshiner's daughter, but I loved her still.

I keep my tools sharp...but my mind sharper!
  Ed
                 CANADIAN BLUES Member #023
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Guff
I've seen examples of both pinned and not pinned pump shafts on these 242 Juniors. Enough to say they came with either pump shaft type.
The Coleman book shows a Canadian 242 junior, dated 4/32, (same date as both Mark's and Ed's lanterns), with a pinned pump. That one also has the early large, fine splined valve wheel, Not the USA type.

Keith.  
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Dmacp
I have a US one with the grommets in the vent. The grommets  on this one look thicker than mine.
The US one has no stamping on the fount at all. And the smaller wheel.

I agree-I've owned six of these-so pinned and non pinned pumps yes exactly. Droopy bail, tapered (almost) straight bail, and the regular 242 bail.  The last one being the only bail that will clear a bulge globe. All mine have straight etched (sand blast) globes, some with a sunshine, most with just "Coleman" and "Pyrex" on them.
I have one of the last 242's made, it looked very much like a 242A.
Dan
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Northman49
Well my Peerless 2C-HG mantles arrived today from NZ so I decided to put one to work. It puts out a nice white light , these were listed as Thorium on the website but nothing on the packs. Pics may show a yellow light, but that's just the camera/lighting today. It is using the original NRV with the old cork pip. Somehow the new Viton pip I made leaked, so here it is.

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She was only a moonshiner's daughter, but I loved her still.

I keep my tools sharp...but my mind sharper!
  Ed
                 CANADIAN BLUES Member #023
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Mantleburner64
Ed the lantern looks great. You need a Fred Kuntz mica or Pyrex on that baby. Mica is around $20.00 US.
John
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