200A and 202 reproduction
frames back
in stock.

Guff
I think it may well be an elusive 242K I found here. 
In it's favour are...
1. Correct time period 9/35 stamped on fount.
2. Correct frame and burner assembly.
3. Correct twin slotted collar, slotted for the tip cleaner assembly.
4. Correct valve wheel.
5. Correct vent, porcelained dark green inside and out.
6. Correct Hexagonal head screw in filler cap.
7. Correct aluminium preheater cup.
8. Correct straight fuel pickup for kero.
9. Correct white lettered Coleman Pyrex globe used on export models.
Not in favour are...
I. Incorrect pump assembly and CV. Should be a keyed, no airhole pump head and a NRV. May have been changed as both of these look much newer and shinier than the rest of the lantern.
2. Incorrect tip cleaner assembly? Maybe it should have the small wheel instead of the bent wire, however I have read that they did come with either.
3. Not sure about the burner cap.
I am hoping it is one, What do you think?.

Keith.
 
Click image for larger version - Name: 002_(2).JPG, Views: 840, Size: 91.34 KB Click image for larger version - Name: 009.JPG, Views: 835, Size: 121.88 KB
Click image for larger version - Name: 025.JPG, Views: 831, Size: 118.83 KB Click image for larger version - Name: 026.JPG, Views: 833, Size: 175.45 KB
Quote
Jim_l
I think you may be on to something here Guff.
Never seen a burner cap like that. I like it though.
Matthew 5:16: "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." Jim-- Coleman Blues Member #014
Quote
smitty316
As the owner of a 242K.......

I vote...  

Yes!

I believe it is a 242K...  Majorman has one same date just like yours I believe... without a tip cleaner wheel.

congrats!!  find a original pump with key and your all there....


smitty
Jim "Smitty" Smith  ICCC #1194  Collector of Vintage Gas Pressure Appliances
Former President of the International Coleman Collectors Club
Quote
brettdean
Wow! Beautiful! Congrats!

I don't want a tombstone, I want a mountain.
Quote
PaulM
I thought there was a sliding lighting door on the 242K
Quote
deepcrete6
I believe a 247 because of lack of lighting door....and lack of clean out wheel, but im certainly no expert
and certainly enough K parts to make an argument [smile]
thanks, Jerry
*I saw weird stuff in that place last night-weird,strange,sick,twisted,eerie,godless stuff....and I want in -Homer J. Simpson
Quote
Mike
My 242K is a 6/35 and is identical to the above with the exception of the burner frame and tip cleaner wheel. I'm pretty sure they should all have the swing out lighting door, but there are some that have the bent wire cleaner instead of the wheel style.

Possibly the burner frame changed out, and the lever style pricker cleaner retrofitted after the wheel snapped off? That's a fate that many suffered (mine included).

But, you've got some of the really key features--fuel cap hex screw, double slotted frame rest, cast preheat cup.

Looks like mostly a 242K.

Congrats,

Mike.
My best gal is a Coleman outing pal!
2 1/2 minutes to Midnight...
Quote
Guff

Mike, I'm starting to become more confident that it is a 242K. Over the years I have kept a good file on everything I have found written on this site, and other sites, regarding the 242K model. There was a very informative post dated 2009 by Matthew Reid on this subject. In it he stated, quote " In 1935 the Kero 240 series lantern was still being called a 242K in the literature. 242K's had plain collars with no model number stamping. The early ones had a tip cleaner wheel and trap door the later ones had a conventional tip cleaning lever and no trap door. The cast aluminium pre heat cup a unstamped collar with a fount dated prior to 1938 is pretty much a dead give away for a 242K." unquote. "Steve Retherford" also provided some good input in this discussion.
I guess I'm a bit biased in saying it is one as I have been after one of these for many years to complete my 242 series of models. I just hope it is one, but who actually knows. Thanks for everyones input to date.

Keith.

Quote
HillCountry
Other than the pump it appears to be all original, so I'd be fairly comfortable calling it a 242K. Congratulations on finding a really rare and desirable lantern!
Tim - ICCC Member #1217
Quote
Dmacp
The first "Scout" was a 242K. Someone had one on ebay not long ago.
Your globe looks English.
Dan
ICCC member #604
Quote
JimDouglasJr
NICE!
Kyle. Kaptain Kamplite - America's Finest Lantern Fettler.
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
Quote
Gasman64
Keith, looks like you are doing well down there!
[sSig_woohoo2]
Steve
ICCC #1012




Quote
Mike
Keith,

Those are interesting points and I guess it shows the use of on-hand parts by Coleman as they continued to have almost two identical lanterns (242K and 247) in production at the same time. And your later style pump may actually be original. A note below the 242K in the '36 catalogue says that late '36 242Ks will have the pump assemblies of 242B/247's.

And that brings up the whole question of if your fount says a certain date, does that actually mean it was assembled then? I've never been sure of that. Anybody know? So if your 9/35 fount came up on the line for assembly in '36 then maybe your pump is entirely correct after all? That would be very cool.

Mike.
My best gal is a Coleman outing pal!
2 1/2 minutes to Midnight...
Quote
deepcrete6
Keith - I certainly meant no disrespect above on the 247 suggestion. that is a beautiful lantern.my "K" is dated 3-35 and came from matt Reids collection (I wish he was still active here-he was/is a Canadian Authority IMO) interesting point Mike brings up about when assembly took place as compared to when the fount was made...I don't think I would change a single part on yours - there were lots of changes fast at that time I believe, I guess I should of started my first post more like this

[sSp_clangrats]on finding such a great old piece! it will be a fine add to your already stunning collection!
thanks, Jerry
*I saw weird stuff in that place last night-weird,strange,sick,twisted,eerie,godless stuff....and I want in -Homer J. Simpson
Quote
Guff
Mike, that is good information and I will hold off on looking for an oldstyle pump for the time being.
"deepcrete6" Jerry, no worries mate. I certainly took no offence to your comments. In fact you were pretty close to the mark as the 242K changed into the 247 at the end of 1937. I welcome any constructive comments. One certain fact is that it is very difficult to accurately determine what the different features are on these 242Ks for the period they were produced.
I have finished cleaning it up and will post pics of it in the Before and After section.

Keith.
Quote
adelcoro
(Revised and hopefully awake now)[coffeetime]  [wink]


The 247 was introduced in 1936 , transition period for the K
The 242K  became the 242K Scout/247 on boxes.
The 242K was fading out and being slowly transformed into the 247 Scout
Your lantern is the earliest i have ever seen. Your pump assembly was replaced with a newer style with clips.
Both pump assemblies were still used in 35 until all the older parts were used up.
Your lantern has the same parts as my 1936 247s  and  36 Canadian catalogue.
There is no Canadian 1935 in sight so it is very hard to verify 
late 35 models, 1936 parts catalogue does already mention the 247 
.
Do you have a K or 247? 
Ah!! good question
All the parts #s on your lantern 
are 247. You have the earliest 
version i have seen until now.
Great piece.

Your globe? Not sure if its original (made for the English market)
but the bulged globe was introduced in 34 already)





Considering your lantern has 100% 247 ,242B parts I would believe you have one of the first 247 that could have still been called a 242k "Scout" Transition period
ICCC 957
Quote
Guff
I was hopeing you would post a reply Agostino, as I am somewhat confused with some of the early Canadian 242 series of lanterns. Particularly on what features some models are supposed to have as they seem to have significant different features over their relatively short production run. I am, however, determined to find out as much as I can about this series and certainly appreciate the information you have provided here. If my lantern is in fact a very early 247 then I will be pleased to have a lantern that is difficult to find, and this will outweigh my disappointment in not having a 242K.
Down here you come across many different Canadian Coleman export models, usually kerosene ones, so Australia must have been a good market for them. I often see these different models with the white lettered globe on them, like what is on my lantern so I thought that they were original to those lanterns. I will now have to find a mica or straight sided globe for it.
Thanks for your excellent information.

Keith.
Quote
adelcoro
Your Preheater cup is the same as an early K and early 247's
Don't forget the brass preheater cup
Was also already introduced or soon-to-be and also correct for the early 247 scout and 427K models

ICCC 957
Quote
JimG
adelcoro wrote:
Your pump assembly is correct for late 35.
 


Are you sure?
Just asking because it looks like it has a spring clip instead of screws, (although that could be easily have been changed after someone lost one of the tiny little screws, but it also has what I call an "outtie" pump cap, where I have a '39 247 with an 'innie' pump cap
Quote
SteveRetherford
 there was a member here who purchased one of these still in the box from down under and shipped here to the states , there is a thread with some great pics detailing all the different parts and great pics of the box , i think the box was marked both 242K and 247 ?? its been a wile , hope we can find that thread ???
[DrSteve2]    Steve , Keeper of the Light !!!
Quote
Mike
Guff,

Here is the advertisement for the 242K from the Coleman Canada 1934 catalogue (courtesy the ICCC Coleman paper section). Based on what Coleman was promoting a year earlier than your lantern, I'd be quite content to keep the 550 style pyrex globe.

[P3110196_zps965a05da] 

No guarantee that mine is an original globe, but this is what was on a 242K (6/35), I received from a most righteous collector in the UK!

[P4070035_zpsf48ad579] 

Mike.

My best gal is a Coleman outing pal!
2 1/2 minutes to Midnight...
Quote
Dmacp
Mike-
My English 249 has that globe on it.
Dan
Dan
ICCC member #604
Quote
adelcoro
I should stop reading stuff at 4 am!! lol
The pump assembly is obviously not original, the check valve 
model is ( for a late 35 ) and yes the bulged globes 
were introduced in 34, sorry about that 
I should have 2 coffees first in the morning..lol
My 1962 249 also has the same globe 
but not sure when this type of Pyrex globe was introduced 
in England 
ICCC 957
Quote
Guff

Good information from all. I will call it a K and a half.

Keith.

Quote
HillCountry
Here are a couple of threads from the past with some information that may be helpful.

http://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/post/CDN-242A-247-transition-with-aluminum-cup-5760701?highlight=242k

http://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/post/canadian-242s-etc-3581237
Tim - ICCC Member #1217
Quote
Guff
"HillCountry" Thank you for those links. I will put them in my lantern files. Looks like this subject has been pondered over and analyzed by many in the past. It is also interesting that the fount date of 9/35 , same as mine, keeps popping up in all these past discussions for this odd lantern.

Keith. 
Quote
Dmacp
I've posted this elsewhere but it is relevant here. Especially the note on the late pump, A member here gave me this image.
coleman 242K parts list.jpg

Two more images:
242K Scout 1936ColemanScoutAustralia.png 242K Scout.jpg 


Dan
ICCC member #604
Quote


...
...
Welcome to the Coleman Collectors Forum, an international forum of Coleman enthusiast and collectors, as such people from all over the world come here to read about Coleman collecting, repair, and to meet and make friends. The pages contained here are intended for the use of amateur collectors and people interested in Coleman collecting, restoration and repair as a hobby. It goes without saying to refrain from political posts, personal attacks and inflammatory posts.

Please note, all postings are the personal opinions of the members posting, the owner, administrators and moderators of the forum do not warrant the accuracy of posted information or endorse the safety of such.