200A and 202 reproduction
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TJKoko
Any opinions on the 200a kerosene lantern?  How does it compare to the 237 in terms of brightness and burn time??  I have an opportunity to purchase a 200a at a reasonable price and maybe would prefer it to the newer 639c and to the 237.

Also what's your actual experience, anyone out there, with burning fuel using the "amish mix" of kerosene with 15-35% CF?
Best,
-T
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Gasman64
[sSig_welcome4], Terry, from Pennsylvania! You do mean a 200A kero conversion, right? They are pretty good, a number here have done them with success.  Compared to a 237, however, most would take a 237 any day; a larger mantle can be used.
Whatever "Amish mix" you try would be fine, too; there are varied ratios used, I use it myself, but just sort of add ?? amount to my kero.  I've also used Jet A, a popular kero lantern fuel.  Adding CF keeps the generator from gunking up as fast, but I never got really scientific and calculated kero/CF ratio percentages vs. generator life.
Steve
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TJKoko
Hello and the word "conversion" isn't mentioned in the description.  It's as if the 200a was originally manufactured for kerosene.
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-T
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JimL
Welcome to the forum from north Jersey.

The 200A is not a kerosene lantern.  Perhaps you're thinking of the 201.  Several folks have converted 200A's (or Canadian 200's) to kero using a 201 generator and a preheat cup.  Hence the term conversion.  Some folks making the modification have found the need to modify the F/A tube to be a straight fuel pickup tube as it would  be in  a 201.

-Jim

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Milspec87
I am brand new myself, but I am certain that you are better off buying a 200a then the 639 lanterns.  The parts to convert it to kerosene are cheap and you would end up with a far better built lantern.  The 639 that I purchased for emergency lighting felt like junk from the moment I pulled it out of the box and didn't burn all that well either due to leaks.

Go with that 200a, convert it, and be glad.
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TJKoko
I've learned a lot from these threads.  Not being interested in doing a conversion, it appears that a 237 would be the way to go with "full sized" mantles and all.  No need to convert.  Does it use the Peerless 111 mantles that I've heard so much about?
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-T
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wiljen
The 237 / 635 /639 all use the 111 Mantles.

The conversion is really just a matter of replacing the generator and adding a pre-heat cup to the generator you put back in so realistically converting a 200a to a 201 takes the same length of time that servicing a 200a does.   Either way,  you are going to have to remove the gen at some point to clean it.  When you do, slap a 201 gen in its place, drop a pre-heat cup over the jam nut and screw the gen back on.   Done.  You can now burn kero or CF simply by pre-heating the gen with a bit of alcohol.

The other option to consider if you want a bit brighter conversion and to avoid the 639s is to do a 290 conversion.   I have a 290 running Kerosene on the 24a sized mantles and it will give a 237 a run for its money.  Output is great and the larger fount on the 290 will outlast a 201.   Conversion is about as simple with a 290 as with the 200a.  Gen swap and pre-heat cup and maybe a heat shield depending on the vintage of the 290.  (Early 290s didnt have the heat shield, later models came with it).

Even better news, all the parts can be purchased from our host (link at top of page) and you can likely send Cigar Mike a note that you are doing a conversion and have him tell you exactly which parts you need.
Will from TN.

Quickly becoming a stovie.  Love HGPs, Military and Utility Burners, HeatMasters and any other gigantic Flame.  Always interested in 523s, HGPs, and 23x
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TJKoko
In the early 1980s I purchased a Coleman Powerhouse cf lantern, a large lantern.  Would that lantern have been the 290 (EDIT) and does the 290 take 111 Peerless mantles?
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-T
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TJKoko
Well, I just scored a 1988 290 in "mint" condition with the case and original box for (druuuuuuum roooooll) less than $50 delivered.  We'll gamble!!!!
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-T
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302w
290s should take 2C-HG or 21s. A user above suggested 24As (bigger than 21) with kero but I can't attest to that
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Chucker
There are two very important truths when considering kero, IMO:

1. The bigger the generator/vaporizer the longer between cleaning intervals.

2. The bigger the generator, the more fuel it will use and the more BTU's produced. 
Chuck
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Chucker
302w wrote:
290s should take 2C-HG or 21s. A user above suggested 24As (bigger than 21) with kero but I can't attest to that


Please note: your 290 WILL run kero very well provided you use a 639 gen. Pre-heat cup is a good idea as well. Maybe you knew that. They can use the 2CHG's typically but experiment and see what your conversion likes. 

I just used one at deer camp for heat/light.
Chuck
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wiljen
I ran the 2c-Hg mantles first and it overburned them badly so I worked my way up and found that the 24a burned in hot gave me the best size without a lot of halo or overburn.   Your mileage may vary and probably will.
Will from TN.

Quickly becoming a stovie.  Love HGPs, Military and Utility Burners, HeatMasters and any other gigantic Flame.  Always interested in 523s, HGPs, and 23x
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302w
The one thing to consider is that a 290 will not give you 500 CP, 111 mantle burning goodness. The 639s have dual air tubes to the 290's 1.
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TJKoko
Thanks to all.  Will the Peerless 111 mantles work with the 290 lantern??
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-T
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Newfie
If you can get your hands on a 1970s era Canadian built 639, you will have yourself a great kero burning lantern. I've had 3 or 4 of those and they burn beautifully.

A classic looking 247 lantern is also a nice choice. They were last made in the late 1940s in Canada. I've got a couple of those and they're pretty nice too. They use the same generator as a 201 so if you ever have to replace the generator it'll be easy to find.
Shane Looking for the following Canadian birthday lanterns or lamps: 2-32, 6-34,
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wiljen
I found the 111 to be too large for the 290 conversion and it didn't fill them well.  I'd start with the 21 as I think it is likely the best compromise.
Will from TN.

Quickly becoming a stovie.  Love HGPs, Military and Utility Burners, HeatMasters and any other gigantic Flame.  Always interested in 523s, HGPs, and 23x
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wiljen
247s are pretty scarce in some parts but a 242 can be easily converted to a 247 if you really wanted to go that route.
Will from TN.

Quickly becoming a stovie.  Love HGPs, Military and Utility Burners, HeatMasters and any other gigantic Flame.  Always interested in 523s, HGPs, and 23x
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TJKoko
"I found the 111 to be too large for the 290 conversion and it didn't fill them well.  I'd start with the 21 as I think it is likely the best compromise."

What brand are the 21s?????????
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-T
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wiljen
Coleman - I think they are named 21a officially.
Will from TN.

Quickly becoming a stovie.  Love HGPs, Military and Utility Burners, HeatMasters and any other gigantic Flame.  Always interested in 523s, HGPs, and 23x
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TJKoko

Is this the correct generator:

http://www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=815&cat=&page=1

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-T
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TJKoko
Okay I'm getting the 639b generator shown in the previous post.  Will preheat cup 201-5101 fit that generator???
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-T
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Chucker
TJKoko wrote:
Okay I'm getting the 639b generator shown in the previous post.  Will preheat cup 201-5101 fit that generator???



No, use this one. The barrel of the 639 is too large for the 201 cup.

https://www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=158&cat=&page=1
Chuck
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hikerduane
I think your mention of a 200A kero lantern is misleading by a evil bay seller. They use Coleman fuel, many selling have no idea of what they have or how to use it. I see many lanterns advertised as kerosene lantern. Beware of models you may be looking at.
Duane
Duane-All seasons, year round backpacker and camper.  So many stoves and lanterns, who's counting.
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TJKoko
Chucker wrote:
.............No, use this one. The barrel of the 639 is too large for the 201 cup.

https://www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=158&cat=&page=1

+++1^^^   8))
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-T
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JimL
Duane,

You're onto something.   There are five 200A's listed on the bay right now as being kerosene, but only one appropriately states that it's a kerosene conversion.

-Jim

Flammable liquids, open flame, what could go wrong?


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TJKoko
hikerduane wrote:
I think your mention of a 200A kero lantern is misleading by a evil bay seller. They use Coleman fuel, many selling have no idea of what they have or how to use it. I see many lanterns advertised as kerosene lantern. Beware of models you may be looking at. Duane


+++1^^^  Here in the U.S., I'm rebuilding a british-made 1972 Triumph 650 motorcycle, a Tiger (single carb), and at in various places in the factory repair manual the expression (I'm paraphrasing) "...wash/clean using paraffin..." is a british expression meaning "...wash/clean using kerosene..." and many people are uninformed as to that kind of terminology.  But yes, you are certainly correct and I gathered what you stated by reading hundreds of ebay ads for lanterns.
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-T
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TJKoko
Again, I'm getting and converting a mint 290 into kerosene and so forget the 200.  8)
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-T
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TJKoko
wiljen wrote:
....Even better news, all the parts can be purchased from our host (link at top of page) and you can likely send Cigar Mike a note that you are doing a conversion and have him tell you exactly which parts you need.


I sent an inquiry concerning converting a 290 and the responder named Mike stated:

"I do not know how to convert a 290 so I would not know what to recommend."


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-T
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Chucker
T - are you saying you don't know what to buy to convert the 290? If so, see post #12 of this thread. 
Chuck
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wiljen
Wow, that surprises me.  Does your 290 already have a heat shield ?  raised plate that sits about an inch above the floor of the burner cage? If so, you can omit line 3 below.

Here is the parts list I used to do mine.

639 Gen    http://www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=815&cat=&page=1
Large Pre-heat cup  http://www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=815&cat=&page=1
Heat Shield   http://www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=241&cat=&page=1
Mantles     http://www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=1674&cat=34&page=2
639 Globe  http://www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=658&cat=&page=1


The globe is not required but they sure do look better with the big bulged globe and it seems kind of appropriate for a Kero conversion.
Will from TN.

Quickly becoming a stovie.  Love HGPs, Military and Utility Burners, HeatMasters and any other gigantic Flame.  Always interested in 523s, HGPs, and 23x
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TJKoko
wiljen wrote:
Wow, that surprises me.  Does your 290 already have a heat shield ?  raised plate that sits about an inch above the floor of the burner cage? If so, you can omit line 3 below.

Here is the parts list I used to do mine.

Large Pre-heat cup  http://www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=815&cat=&page=1
Heat Shield   http://www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=241&cat=&page=1............


The heat shield is shown here and please let me know:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/COLEMAN-TWO-MANTLE-POWERHOUSE-MODEL-290-HARD-CASE-LANTERN-MINT-88/232555030260?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

Large preheat cup is shown here and please let me know:

http://www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=158
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-T
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TJKoko
So far here's what I've decided on getting unless I hear something different from y'all:

lcohol BottleAlcohol BottleAlcohol Bottle
Alcohol Bottle for kerosene lanterns.
$4.50 x = $4.50
Alcohol Bottle for kerosene lanterns.
$4.50 x = $4.50
Delete item 

Pre-Heater CupPre-Heater Cup
Pre-heater cup for the model 237 lantern. This is a new production cup made out of brass. It is very high quality and fits the 237 nice and snug. Will also fit a 530 stove if you want to install a PH cup on it.
$8.00 x = $8.00
Delete item 

290 Heat Shield and Frame Bottom290 Heat Shield and Frame Bottom
Fits all 290 and 295 model lanterns
$5.50 x = $5.50
Delete item 

Generator 639BGenerator 639B
Generator for the 639 Lantern. New generator includes new gas tip, spring, and tip cleaning wire.
$11.50 x = $11.50
Delete item 

Peerless Mantles 24-APeerless Mantles 24-A
These Peerless mantles are the same size as the Coleman 99 mantles. A little bigger than the 2C-HG mantles but not as big as the 111 mantles. 2 per pack. Work well on single mantle lanterns such as 242 and 200A models.
$1.75 x = $1.75
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-T
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Newlondon695
That should do it
George
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Chucker
Go T! Git 'er done.  
Chuck
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Milspec87
I don't use the plastic bottle.  Instead, I use a syringe with a 90 degree angle tip threaded on.  I bought it at the agriculture store in town.  Little more precise and easier to get it into the bowl.
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TJKoko
Milspec87 wrote:
I don't use the plastic bottle.  Instead, I use a syringe with a 90 degree angle tip threaded on.  I bought it at the agriculture store in town...


+++1^^^         8))
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-T
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SamuelBrown
\r\nSo I'm in the market of getting a new one. After a little looking around and browsing, I found some useful reviews https://bestoutdooritems.com/5-best-kerosene-lanterns-oil-lamp/ . \r\nDoes anyone with any experience with using any of these lanterns?"}">I use this old kenosene lamp but its burner is slowly dying


So I'm in the market of getting a new one. After a little looking around and browsing, I found some useful reviews https://bestoutdooritems.com/5-best-kerosene-lanterns-oil-lamp/ .
Does anyone with any experience with using any of these lanterns?
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Chucker
Welcome to the forum Samuel. What you have there is what we refer to as a "wickie" burner. Those have their place in home lighting. 

Yes, pretty much everyone who has been on this forum for more than 6 mos. has experience with the ones in your link. 

In the link items 3,4,5 are all Coleman lanterns however the first one is the only kerosene fueled lantern (and it can run Coleman fuel as well). It's the large, green single burner we used to call the 639. 

Those are on sale right now at the Coleman website for around $75 as I recall. They sometimes sell for $139 or so at different websites and stores. 

If you decide to do anything else kerosene, you can start your own thread on here and get focused responses from the crew. 
Chuck
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