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DK519

I have a Canadian   Coleman 431 "easi-lite" that I'm finding not that easy to light.

 

The problem seems to be the amount of fuel/air coming out of the end of the generator. It will actually blow out a match or lighter and if I don't get the gas to light within a couple seconds, it gets flooded with fuel and I have to turn it upside down and let it dry out.

 

Is this from over pumping? Is the generator pooched? I thought they lasted forever assuming they didn't get bent or broken.

 

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Chucker
Don't own a 431 but from what you describe it is obvious you are getting tank air but no fuel. Look your stove over and whatever knob or lever switches the F/A tube to straight fuel, turn it in that direction. 

Otherwise the problem may be internal meaning your F/A tube with Schrader valve or fuel tube is primarily getting tank air, no fuel. May need cleaning or replacing.

And welcome to the forum from across Lake Huron (Michigan)!
Chuck
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DK519
Thanks for the reply Chucker. So instead of having the knob in the "light" position, switch it over to low or somewhere higher?

A LOT of fuel comes out in the first 2-3 seconds of having it in the light position I'm talking like an ounce or so of liquid. It just pools too quickly in the manifold for me to get it lit safely without a fireball.
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bwperreault
Welcome to the forum from Saskatchewan.
Could also be a missing generator orifice allowing too much of everything into the manifold. Does it have a nice blue flame if it lights.

Brian
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DK519

IF I get it lit, (and I have used it successfully for about 20 days of camping since I got it last year) it works great. Blue flames on both burners but I will add the lowest setting is quite hot.

 

What do I look for as far as the generator orifice?

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bwperreault
Pull the tank out. The orifice (or jet or tip) is on the end of the generator, right where it goes into the manifold (that curved piece that the generator goes into). On some generators the orifice is part of the tip on the end of the generator and on some you screw the tip end off of the generator and the orifice is a seperate piece inside that tip or still stuck in the tube.
Brian
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Chucker
Typically you replace the entire generator, tip and all. Very few tips are sold separately. Our sponsor, Old Coleman Parts carries the gen's:

http://www.oldcolemanparts.com/product.php?productid=292&cat=&page=1
Chuck
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Stovaholic
Coleman Canada dropped the Schrader valve and switched back to the conventional valve on the last series of Easi-Lite 431 shortly before the Toronto plant got shut down for good.  If all else fail, and if you don't mind messing with the originality, you can install a non-Schrader valve from any compact 2-burner stove, Toronto or Wichita (4M, 411, 421, tourist, 425 etc.).  You can get one for very little money from Mike at OCP.
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Scouterjan
pull out the complete valve/genny assy, chuck in the garbage and replace with a non easi lite assy
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DK519

OK so a bit of an update. Last night I went over everything with a fine tooth comb. Took the entire thing apart minus the check valve (didn't want to wreck that). Cleaned everything, pipe doped where applicable and oiled the leather pump cup. Generator as far as I can tell is mint.

 

Pumped 40 full strokes as per instructions, turn valve to "light", lighter blows out, gas pools and I have to start over. I let it cool down, depressurized the tank and pumped 30 full strokes this time. Turn to "light" and this time it doesn't blow out the lighter but fires up no problem, albeit slightly violently still. "Hmmm" I'm thinking...may as well try 20 strokes.

 

After 20 strokes it gently starts with a nice small blue flame. I let it warm up for 30 seconds or so, turn it to low and give it a good 20-30 strokes to pressurize and it runs like a dream.

 

I will be taking a Sharpie and re-writing the instructions on the stove so some unsuspecting friend or family member doesn't light themselves on fire trying to be nice and make coffee before I wake up! Thank you for the advice as for replacing the valve as well. If I have any future problems with it I may just replace it.

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Chucker
Still, for safety's sake I'd do as our Canadian brethren suggested above; remove the entire valve assy from the tank and replace with one from a 4M or 425. Cheap from our host, oldcolemanparts.com

Chuck
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Stovaholic
DK519 wrote:
Thank you for the advice as for replacing the valve as well. If I have any future problems with it I may just replace it.


If you ever wish to do so, you may also consider installing a complete valve/generator assembly from a 424 Dual Fuel stove.  It fits right in without any modifications and you'll get the option of running regular unleaded pump gas.  Canadian gasolines are now blended without manganese additives like their U.S. counterparts, eliminating all reliability issues of the past, and are now safe to use.
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DK519
Stovaholic wrote:


If you ever wish to do so, you may also consider installing a complete valve/generator assembly from a 424 Dual Fuel stove.  It fits right in without any modifications and you'll get the option of running regular unleaded pump gas.  Canadian gasolines are now blended without manganese additives like their U.S. counterparts, eliminating all reliability issues of the past, and are now safe to use.


Thanks, Stovaholic. I'll keep an eye out for one those cheap. 
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davey66
DK519 wrote:

I have a Canadian   Coleman 431 "easi-lite" that I'm finding not that easy to light.

 

The problem seems to be the amount of fuel/air coming out of the end of the generator. It will actually blow out a match or lighter and if I don't get the gas to light within a couple seconds, it gets flooded with fuel and I have to turn it upside down and let it dry out.

 

Is this from over pumping? Is the generator pooched? I thought they lasted forever assuming they didn't get bent or broken.

 

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