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yarddog59
I have to pump this little lantern every 15 minutes to keep it going. I had read  in a post several years ago that a table spoon of seafoam could increase times between adding pressure to the tank. Any truth to that?
Any suggestions? Thanks Paul 
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zoomkat
Seafoam ~ snake oil. I think that is probably the typical runtime before pumping, especially if the tank is full of fuel. Just an artifact of very small tank that has a small capacity for pressurizing air.
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RobSchroff
I thought there was a problem with the 229 generators letting air out of the founts.  I thought that a 222 or a 226 generator could be used to reduce the problem?
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outlawmws
IIR its the larger genny + a larger orifice to make it usable with gasoline.  between that and the tiny tank,  and minimal air space for the aire charge,  its a constant battle with low pressure.  

Don't fill it completely full and you can get a little more "working space"    a NOS 222 genny if you can snag one can help, but it won't be dual fuel anymore.
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pagrey
15 minutes is not long even for this thing. Be sure you don't have leaks. Mine runs an hour on a good day without much effort.
Paul
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JimL
I too was disappointed at the run time between needing to again pump up my 229.  I just looked at the tip charts and the difference between the tip of the 229 and 222 is .001".  I'm surprised this could make that much of a difference.

-Jim

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yarddog59
I replaced the original with this generator which has the coleman number 226-5801.
I hope to find a 222 generator if that is the problem. I do know that I did get longer running times in the past. Click image for larger version - Name: IMG_1016.jpg, Views: 122, Size: 59.85 KB
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Phredd
mine runs about an hour and it has the newer gen on it.

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JimL
Per the tip chart, that 226 generator is also the 229 generator.  If you have the old generator that it ran longer on, see if you can clean it

-Jim

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zoomkat
"I thought there was a problem with the 229 generators letting air out of the founts."

After the initial firing I don't think any air from the tank should be supplied to the generator, only fuel. If the orifice in the side of the side of the plastic pickup tube (assuming this is a later model Schrader valve design) is becoming clogged, then it is possible that some air is entering the pickup tube causing faster depressurization of the tank.
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yarddog59
JimL wrote:
Per the tip chart, that 226 generator is also the 229 generator.  If you have the old generator that it ran longer on, see if you can clean it

I do have it, but never have cleaned one before. Ill give it a go.
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zoomkat
I've never had this type lantern, but I would think you could use the fuel control valve to throttle the out put back to reduce the time between pumping's and have a longer fuel run. 
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mikew
Have a 226 that has to be pumped up every 25 to 30 minutes.
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yarddog59
zoomkat wrote:
I've never had this type lantern, but I would think you could use the fuel control valve to throttle the out put back to reduce the time between pumping's and have a longer fuel run. 


I replaced the o rings on the fuel valve recently. so maybe that could be an issue with losing pressure or adjusting the control valve? 
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outlawmws
I would do a leak test for sure.
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Chucker
yarddog59 wrote:

I do have it, but never have cleaned one before. Ill give it a go.


First remove the gen tip and the internals. If they don't budge heat and quench with propane torch and cold water. Repeat as necessary.

If the pricker/cleaner is carboned up Use 0000 fine steel wool on it and pull or push towards the pricker wire - less of a chance of bending it. 
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Kansas John
Chucker wrote:


First remove the gen tip and the internals. If they don't budge heat and quench with propane torch and cold water. Repeat as necessary.

If the pricker/cleaner is carboned up Use 0000 fine steel wool on it and pull or push towards the pricker wire - less of a chance of bending it. 



Some of these gens, especially the later models are like 285 gens where there is a crimp keeping everything inside.  Another solution could be to switch the gen tip onto the currently installed gen.
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Chucker
Thank you John, I wasn't aware and I like your fix. 
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Majicwrench
I've got a couple of 229's,  if they are full of fuel not much air space to pressurize, I leave em down a bit AND pump till my thumb hurts. And then a few more pumps after they get hot enough to shut off whatever air circuit they have.

Just last weekend I put a NOS 222A generator on one of them and took it camping, it seemed to run longer (45 minutes-ish)  but that is really subjective.

I've read here for years how much longer the early 222 would run compared to the 226/229, (nobody seems to have run any actual tests)  I've always doubted that Coleman would make an "improvement" in a lantern that would result in an immense loss of run time. -

Maybe I will run my 229 vs my 229 w 222 genny.
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yarddog59
Those 222 generators are like hen's teeth.
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yarddog59
Is a short run time more an issue with maintaining tank pressure? I'm going to take my 229 apart and start over rebuilding again and see if that helps. The original generator gave me 30 to 40 minutes plus, before needing to be pumped. I'm thinking maybe along with the tank pressure, I may have the blue rings out of order. This lantern burns bright, but only for 15 minutes. Any thoughts?
Thanks Paul
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zoomkat
"Any thoughts?"

Yea, that apparently is typical of these small lanterns.
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I have a 10-90 222b and a 02-02 exponent lantern. Rebuilt both from the ground up. Put new generators in both. New O-rings and gold top 222 mantles and burnt them in and cooled. Fired both up with 3/4 fount of fuel. Pumped with 40 pumps from the start. The 222b fired for approx.. 45min before repumping and the exponent was approx. 33min before repumping. I then switched the gens and the burn times were almost the same. That .001 in the gen does make that much difference. Both lanterns have the brass valves.
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yarddog59
Thanks. I expect to get 30 to 45 minutes, as I did before I replaced the  O rings. I
I must have a very slight loss of pressure........ somewhere.
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scl
if i take my 229 series on a lantern walk i walk a little faster than when i take my 222 series.
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JimL
Steve,

Now that's funny!

-Jim

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yarddog59
scl wrote:
if i take my 229 series on a lantern walk i walk a little faster than when i take my 222 series.

 Any idea why one runs longer than the other? Thanks Paul
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outlawmws
The 226 and 229 are dual fuel and use a different orifice (compromise) than the 222 which was CF/Naphtha

The "replacements" are all for the duel fuel and were substituted for the 222.

I'd guess you could get a genny from a 5107-5891 propane and swap the orifice (both are marked T) to the duel fuel genny?
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yarddog59
outlawmws wrote:
The 226 and 229 are dual fuel and use a different orifice (compromise) than the 222 which was CF/Naphtha

The "replacements" are all for the duel fuel and were substituted for the 222.

I'd guess you could get a genny from a 5107-5891 propane and swap the orifice (both are marked T) to the duel fuel genny?
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yarddog59
That is new information! Ill try and find one of those generators. I wonder if this has been tried before?
Thanks Paul
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JimL
I just looked them up.  The 5107 tip orifice is marked "I" and is much larger at .0085".  The 5104 and 5120 tips are marked "F" and are .0055".  The 5104 and 5120 are for butane lanterns, and have the same tip orifice size as the 222 at .0055" but the tip for the 222 is marked "T".

-Jim

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outlawmws
The table I have says otherwise?  I got it from the Internet so it HAS to be right...  Ã°Å¸ËœÅ“

Also the 5107 is a single mantle Prop, so .0085 seems big?  

T tips.jpgAlso the 
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JimL
Outlaw,

I just looked at a different chart from Matthew Reid and it matches your "T" tip.  As far as the .0085" is concerned, I'd say it's big compared to the original 222 generator tip which was .0055".


Paul,

I would assume that the butane lanterns had no pricker rod since they didn't need a generator anyway.  Gas was already being delivered and didn't need to be vaporized.  So, unless these butane generators came with a tip cleaner, you'll need to confirm that the tip wire from your current generator will fit the tip.  If they do come with a tip cleaner, you may need to resize it to fit your current setup.  Easy to do if you need to shorten it.  Good luck if not long enough.  Worst case, you run without a tip cleaner until the orifice gets plugged.  However, without the tip wire, you also won't have adjustability.

-Jim

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yarddog59
Jim,
Thanks, I'm going to figure this out somehow,  I know I got good run times before. I have to get back to that point somehow,
Paul 
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