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GeraldJP
Spent some time using my 520 the other day to teach my son about casting bullets. We made 1oz 12ga slugs and 22lr. He really enjoyed the experience, once trapping starts up he's looking forward to harvesting with this same ammo. Good times
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Gerald

Untrained in lead casting but the grin on JR’s face says it all. 

Ok I’ll bite 22LR? 


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GeraldJP
.22 Long Rifle, it's the most common .22 caliber variety, in use since the late 1800's.
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Tgarner01
Couple questions. Are you reloading 22 rimfire? And do you check your temperature of your lead, or just remove when melted? I've casted a lot of boolits and those baby's look hard. What are you using for a lead source? Glad you got the little guy involved👍
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GeraldJP
I am reloding 22 rimfire, it's not as hard as most people think, happy to tell you about the tool I use(pm me if interested). I don't heat it up much past melting point though which is about 622F. The source of my lead is Magnum lead shot for small game, comes in 25lb bags at sporting goods stores, the reason is because I cannot make quality lead shot very easily(and not in any meaningful quantity) but can make larger calibers from it. Plus being manufactured in the US for this purpose gives me peace of mind that the product is as free from impurities as possible.
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Pancholoco1911

Are you getting consistent velocities with your 22LR reloads? Saw some videos and velocities were very inconsistent.

There is a reloading kit for this particular caliber, nothing fancy but very practical. Also per CA laws we can not hunt with lead anymore 😢 

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Tgarner01
I've done some research on reloading rimfire in the past. Curious to your method. Would be worthwhile especially on obsolete cartridges 32 and 44 rimfires come to mind. Do I understand you correctly that you're casting your own shot also? I've dabbled in that as well with good results. I may have to throw my GPAs outside and get back into casting😁
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Hot Diggity
What are you using for a bullet lube on the .22? 

I reload obsolete .30 rimfire for a tip up 1874 Marlin revolver.  I've been using Alox and JPW (Johnson's Paste Wax) with equal success.  I think the JPW is closer to most of the lubes that I find on match .22 ammo.

30 rimfire.jpg 
It looks silly in a box that looks better fitted to a Colt Python, but it holds the conversion shells, tools and parent bullet.  I have to chop the 7mm Soup can bullet off at the third groove and turn the heel on the lathe.  I don't shoot this thing much, but I won it on a bet (that I couldn't make ammo for it) so I had to get creative. 
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That’s my question I own several 22’s just never knew it could be hand loaded. I load .223 .308 and ‘06.
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GeraldJP

Are you getting consistent velocities with your 22LR reloads? Saw some videos and velocities were very inconsistent.

There is a reloading kit for this particular caliber, nothing fancy but very practical. Also per CA laws we can not hunt with lead anymore 😢 



Well that's CA for you... CO is going the same way, but while I lived there
I purchased the reloading tool from a small company called 22LR Reloader. Haven't tested velocity, it serves my purposes well(close range range small game and dispatching trapped game) and fits in my pack.
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GeraldJP
Tgarner01 wrote:
I've done some research on reloading rimfire in the past. Curious to your method. Would be worthwhile especially on obsolete cartridges 32 and 44 rimfires come to mind. Do I understand you correctly that you're casting your own shot also? I've dabbled in that as well with good results. I may have to throw my GPAs outside and get back into casting😁


No, lol. I've tried but my shot comes out terrible! I use shot to make larger calibers so I have both options. I use a product I purchased in Colorado called 22 sharpshooter reloader. God man?!?!?! Throw out GPAs 😅
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GeraldJP
Hot Diggity wrote:
What are you using for a bullet lube on the .22? 

I reload obsolete .30 rimfire for a tip up 1874 Marlin revolver.  I've been using Alox and JPW (Johnson's Paste Wax) with equal success.  I think the JPW is closer to most of the lubes that I find on match .22 ammo.

30 rimfire.jpg 
It looks silly in a box that looks better fitted to a Colt Python, but it holds the conversion shells, tools and parent bullet.  I have to chop the 7mm Soup can bullet off at the third groove and turn the heel on the lathe.  I don't shoot this thing much, but I won it on a bet (that I couldn't make ammo for it) so I had to get creative. 


Damn that's cool! For my purposes I haven't found it necessary to lube the .22, I was at first using a rendered fat beeswax mix I made up, but again haven't found it particularly useful.
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GeraldJP
GCinSC wrote:
That’s my question I own several 22’s just never knew it could be hand loaded. I load .223 .308 and ‘06.


Looks like it can be bought online.  http://22lrreloader.com/
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74HARLEY
That's really cool! Thank you for the link, I now need one of those.
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Looked up the site, and whats not clear to me is how they restore the primer material into the rim and where its procured from.  Everything else should be easy. 
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This is an interesting idea, I wonder if the mould quality is very good? Here's a link to a video.
I would expect at least one lube groove on the bullet, but maybe that's asking too much. These could be pan lubed pretty easily that way.
It seems that there is some liquid dropped in, and then it dries, then they use "strike-on-anything" match tips or "snap caps" for priming. There's no mention of lubing the bullet, which is asking for trouble in no time. 
Your bullets look a bit wrinkly, maybe the lead or mould is too cold?
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Strike on anything matches are unobtainium these days...
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outlawmws wrote:
Strike on anything matches are unobtainium these days...


snap caps are readily accessible for now until they start banning those too
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GeraldJP
outlawmws wrote:
Looked up the site, and whats not clear to me is how they restore the primer material into the rim and where its procured from.  Everything else should be easy. 


The same site sells a primer compound fairly inexpensively, but you can also use strike anywhere matches (think emergency situation).  lf you look at my photo there are two .22 rounds, the smaller of the two is intended for the match method. It is scraped out with a poker that was included, once the priming compound is added you put a drop of acetone in and let dry.
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GeraldJP
StanDahl wrote:
This is an interesting idea, I wonder if the mould quality is very good? Here's a link to a video.
I would expect at least one lube groove on the bullet, but maybe that's asking too much. These could be pan lubed pretty easily that way.
It seems that there is some liquid dropped in, and then it dries, then they use "strike-on-anything" match tips or "snap caps" for priming. There's no mention of lubing the bullet, which is asking for trouble in no time. 
Your bullets look a bit wrinkly, maybe the lead or mould is too cold?


Here is a close up of the mold, you can see the grooves.The liquid is acetone but the instructions mention isopropyl alcohol in place of acetone if necessary. Yes, my mold was cold at the time, that's the biggest drawback I'd say, it's aluminum and doesn't hold heat well. When casting outdoors this could be difficult with wind and temperature, but we got it up to temp and remelted the ones in the photo.
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GeraldJP
outlawmws wrote:
Strike on anything matches are unobtainium these days...


Check sporting goods stores, they will be unobtainium, but I've picked up thousands in the last several weeks for this purpose. Can't find them at major retailer's or grocery stores anymore though.
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snap caps are readily accessible for now until they start banning those too
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StanDahl
The mould looks nice enough, I guess that's an external lube groove (outside the case), which makes for a grit catcher if not handled carefully. Liquid Alox might be all you would need for lube. This is an interesting concept, and with me being willing to do everything the hard way, something I would do myself.
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GeraldJP
StanDahl wrote:
The mould looks nice enough, I guess that's an external lube groove (outside the case), which makes for a grit catcher if not handled carefully. Liquid Alox might be all you would need for lube. This is an interesting concept, and with me being willing to do everything the hard way, something I would do myself.


Do you mean machine one yourself?
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Pancholoco1911
@GeraldJP I do 100% agree with Thomas Jefferson but is what it is. I’ve been in Colorado once and believe me, I loved it and now I want to move there but need to fix some stuff here before I convince my wife lol 
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GeraldJP
Sad but true my friend. I played hell convincing my wife to move to Colorado from North Dakota, decided Colorado wasn't the place for me, then came the convincing to move to Alaska. Oofta, took three years but here we are.
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Pancholoco1911

Alaska “the last frontier” I have a friend who moved to Anchorage like 10 or 12 years ago from CA and he says: “I’ll never move back to that lily pad hole again” he works in residential and industrial construction. 


well back to ammo and I’m probably ordering that kit to keep my son busy these days. Lead ammo just for plunking on the 10/22, the wrangler and the MKll 🤪 I need to chase some lead now 

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GeraldJP
Enjoy it when you get it, good reason to fire up a Coleman if nothing else... Then again, who needs a reason. Lol
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GeraldJP wrote:
Do you mean machine one yourself?
No way! I would use that kit to make .22 ammo just for fun - why not, I reload everything else I use, from 221 Rem. Fireball to 45-70. This Coleman hobby nearly completely replaced the reloading/casting/shooting hobby, that and the ranges drying up around here.  
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outlawmws
Hmmmm, I'm wondering if I could make up some swagging dies for converting copper wire info 22 bullets?  Then use those to load some subsonic hunting rounds similar to the CB caps I like for squirrels...  

I'd need a way to precisely cut lengths of 4 Ga. and of course the dies. I think I have a press that should be up to it.  
The trick would be getting the bullets out of the forming/swagging die, and would the weights be contestant enough for good accuracy?   Hmmmm...
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GeraldJP
Dang outlaw, now you got me hungry. 
Neat idea, let me know if you give it a shot, I'd like to see the results.
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Recoil
I have only ever reloaded '06 for my main hunting rifle.  I totally understand the fun and personal reward for reloading my ammo but I got to ask.....with regards to 22LR....I'm not sure it would be worth my time consideing how cheap the ammo is to begin with.  Dont get me wrong, I'm not criticizing the hobby part of it, especially when you get Jr involved.   That is a great father son pass time but it seems like a lot if work for a 22LR round!  Do you mainly do this for the fun of it?
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GeraldJP
Right now just for fun, I prefer to harvest the food I put on my table and I remember the ammo shortage a few years back where you couldn't find any (2015?)... That and potential legislation make me want to have the option.
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Gotcha.  Good reasons!
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Tgarner01
GeraldJP wrote:
Right now just for fun, I prefer to harvest the food I put on my table and I remember the ammo shortage a few years back where you couldn't find any (2015?)... That and potential legislation make me want to have the option.

I was heavy into reloading when the ammo shortage hit... The reloading supplies disappeared at the same time.. At least around here. So when things straitened out I bought up in bulk powder and primers. Have not shot or reloaded much since then, but have been looking into PCP rifles heavily. Bought one to play with and absolutely love it. With these all I would ever need are some o rings and lead... Have plenty of these. I like the idea of not relying on someone else in times of need.
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GeraldJP
Tgarner01 wrote:

I was heavy into reloading when the ammo shortage hit... The reloading supplies disappeared at the same time.. At least around here. So when things straitened out I bought up in bulk powder and primers. Have not shot or reloaded much since then, but have been looking into PCP rifles heavily. Bought one to play with and absolutely love it. With these all I would ever need are some o rings and lead... Have plenty of these. I like the idea of not relying on someone else in times of need.


I tend to agree, for small game it's hard to beat PCP and also quiet by comparison. I've been considering one or a few myself, more so now at your suggestion. Hit the nail on the head too, "not relying on someone else in times of need." The state of the union right now makes me worry, more than in the past, that times of need are on the horizon. 
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I haven't been reloading in quite some time but I have been watching ammo prices and availability. Depending on where you are ammo is getting harder to find in any quantities. I remember buying a 5000 round brick of 22LR for 99.00 at my favorite gun shop. Now when I go looking around it seems most places limit you to 500 rds.
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GeraldJP wrote:


I tend to agree, for small game it's hard to beat PCP and also quiet by comparison. I've been considering one or a few myself, more so now at your suggestion. Hit the nail on the head too, "not relying on someone else in times of need." The state of the union right now makes me worry, more than in the past, that times of need are on the horizon. 
haha, when you said PCP some stupid law came to my mind. Here in CA hunting with  lead is banned for the firearms but not for air powered rifles lol
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Good thread, this is getting me motivated to try loading some new primed 22lr casings that were given to me years ago. 
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GeraldJP
campknot wrote:
Good thread, this is getting me motivated to try loading some new primed 22lr casings that were given to me years ago. 


I hope you do my man. No question too, this has turned into a good thread. Sounds like a lot of guys here are far more experienced in casting and loading than I am, but if I can be of help feel free to PM me.
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