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Sixslinger
Hello all!
 I am new here, but a lifetime user of Coleman gas gear for some 45 years.
Doing a lot of reading lately to understand more; I came across a story of someone adding a few drops of carb injector cleaner to every fresh tank of fuel. They claimed it greatly prolonged the need for disassembly and deep cleaning.
Your thoughts?
Dan Lewis
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Majicwrench
Just don't. 


No injectors on Coleman appliances.
Keith
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mnhogrider
Majicwrench wrote:
Just don't. 


No injectors on Coleman appliances.


This. Same with Seafoam. Buy a can of camp fuel instead.
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holliswood

I only add a tablespoon or two of denatured alcohol to my lanterns and stoves per some information given in the technical section. 

I wouldn’t suggest using carb cleaner in any gpa that has wadding in the generator. 

I do however put a tablespoon or two of SeaFoam in the fount of my Aida and Petromax lanterns that have the Preston Loop generators. 

-Fred

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Gunhippie
Just real Camp Fuel and you'll have no need for additives.

The way a GPA works is very different from a carburetor or fuel injector. The fuel is vaporized in the generator rather than being burned as an aerosol, so any additives that have a lower vapor pressure than the naptha fuel will tend to stay in the generator as coke or gum deposits.
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holliswood
Seems like there’s a fella who prefers Crown fuel on here, especially when using a gpa with wadding in the generator 🤔🤔🤔
-Fred

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austin65uri
There is a benefit to using "additives" in GPA fuels-- a placebo effect.  You'll swear it has done wonders and will tell all your friends about it!  Hey, welcome from Hawaii.😎
Bill.
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Gunhippie
holliswood wrote:
Seems like there’s a fella who prefers Crown fuel on here, especially when using a gpa with wadding in the generator 🤔🤔🤔


Yep, that'd be me. I've found that pre-pricker gens with fiber packing get clogged when sitting for long periods with Coleman fuel in them. The gunk that clogs them up is green, just like the color of the Coleman fuel. It's easy to wash out with CF or carb cleaner--if you like tearing a lantern down to get to the gen tip. I can tell you how much fun it is to tear a 316 Arc down when I just want to light it up for the night.

I haven't had this problem with Crown, which has no dye.
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holliswood

Gunhippie wrote:


Yep, that'd be me. I've found that pre-pricker gens with fiber packing get clogged when sitting for long periods with Coleman fuel in them. The gunk that clogs them up is green, just like the color of the Coleman fuel. It's easy to wash out with CF or carb cleaner--if you like tearing a lantern down to get to the gen tip. I can tell you how much fun it is to tear a 316 Arc down when I just want to light it up for the night.

I haven't had this problem with Crown, which has no dye.


That advice has served me well ðŸ‘

-Fred

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JimL
@austin65uri

>>There is a benefit to using "additives" in GPA fuels-- a placebo effect.  You'll swear it has done wonders and will tell all your friends about it! 

Bill,

Are you suggesting that I'm imagining all that extra horsepower in my lanterns when I put these unapproved additives in the fuel?  Would you go as far as to suggest that my lanterns don't have fuel injectors?  🙂    You actually stated the above very well.  Even if carb cleaner or another additive could work, there's just not enough fuel flow rate to make a difference.



Dan,

When fettling a lantern, if the check valve is not sealing, I'll use carb cleaner to free it.  Sometimes I'll use a lot, depending on how much I need to flush through it.  It burns off just fine with the Coleman/Crown fuel afterwords.   I personally see no need to use it any other time.

-Jim

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[welcome], Dan, from Pennsylvania! I see you have received answers, so just saying hello.
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gwillmot
JimL wrote:
@austin65uri

>>There is a benefit to using "additives" in GPA fuels-- a placebo effect.


Just curious .... if you don't use an additive such as Seafoam, for instance .... how can you say it's just causing a placebo effect?  Having used Seafoam at the advice of a long-time collector .... I've noticed on several occasions the cleaning and opening of partially clogged or gunked-up parts upon successive use of the lanterns ..... sometimes within hours.  No, it wasn't caused by the wonders of Crown fuel (although that's what I've always used) as parts were inspected pre and post "cleanups".  Lanterns that were marginal burners always appear to run brighter after the initial use of some Seafoam.
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Majicwrench
I have a lot of marginal runners that run better after a bit of use...with no additives.

The phrase above "appear to run brighter" is pretty subjective, without some sort of light meter who knows.

Best way find out would be a real test. Get 60 lanterns, run 10 gallons of fuel through each. 30 lanterns add a bit of snake oil (Seafoam) other 30 just CF. Track brightness, fuel use, horsepower. Person doing testing would not know which lanterns have SF and which do not. Disassemble check for deposits. 
Until then, we are all just sorta expressing our opinion. 

My opinion.....

I had a Seafoam salesman come into shop 40 years ago, he was right off the back of some old fashioned traveling wagon. The things Seafoam would do!!  Put it in the oil!! Put it in your trans!! Put it in your gas tank!  Better mileage, more power, less wear!!,  even my socks wouldn't stink anymore!! Every customer should get 4-5 cans put in their car!!   Think of all the money you will make selling this stuff to customers! How many cases do you want?? 20?? 50?? I have it right outside........
Keith
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MYN
You won't need the carb or fuel injector cleaner as additive if you're using Coleman or Crown Fuel as the lantern fuel.
On the other hand, they might improve things to some extents if your lantern's running solely on RUG. According to some, it helps to dissolve whatever gummy deposits that could form when gasoline's been overheated, exposed to air or moisture. These deposits would not be vaporized and would remain in the generator or the fount. After prolonged heating, the deposits would just be coked inside the generator. Gasoline alone does not dissolve those gummy stuffs well enough before it they get coked.
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In 'every fresh tank of fuel"? No. 

However if it's fuel (RUG) varnish you want to clean off the f/a tube and it's innards and out of the valve, go for it if the lantern is new to you. I use a cap full of 100% acetone when I want to clean GPA guts. 

I have proof it has cleared up a Svea 123 stove carbon issue and the lantern use is common sense - pour acetone or carb spray on an old carburetor. It's gone. 
Chuck
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gwillmot
Chucker wrote:
In 'every fresh tank of fuel"? No. 
However if it's fuel (RUG) varnish you want to clean off the f/a tube and it's innards and out of the valve, go for it if the lantern is new to you.

Exactly what I do with Seafoam.  Every "new" lantern to the fleet get's a tablespoon or two of Seafoam mixed into the first quart of Crown that I burn in that lantern.  After that .... straight fuel.
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Gunhippie
I plugged a Fuel Shark into my Arc. I've been running it continuously for a year on the same fount full of fuel!--Testimonial from an actual Coleman user.
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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JimL
Timm,

The Fuel Shark with its claims of increased fuel economy is hilarious. 

-Jim

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Majicwrench
@Chucker  you can pour STRAIGHT FUEL  on the outside of a carb and clean off the deposits. Us old guys used to use gas to clean things before we knew better.
Keith
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Chucker
Majicwrench wrote:
@Chucker  you can pour STRAIGHT FUEL  on the outside of a carb and clean off the deposits. Us old guys used to use gas to clean things before we knew better.
 

You are correct. Pick your poison I guess. 

Dad and I used gas and a brush for carbs and to get the toughest stuff off our hands - it works. 
Chuck
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surffishsuds
Just wondering? If certain alcohols will cause the anti-rust coating in a font to breakup. Will fuel additives do the same?
I'm hoping not!!![sFun_duh2]
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Majicwrench
@surffishsuds that is why you should put nothing in but what is supposed to go in there....CF
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mnhogrider

I bet if I dumped out your can of Seafoam and filled it with Kerosene, if it wasn’t for the smell, you’d wouldn’t be able to tell the difference.

On gun forums when someone starts a thread of “what’s the best gun cleaner?” Hoppes #9 always get good rating. Some of the old timers swear it’s kerosene mixed with some banana oil.

Steve
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JimL
>>Just wondering? If certain alcohols will cause the anti-rust coating in a font to breakup. Will fuel additives do the same?

Fuel additives have changed over the years and so have Coleman's fount liners to keep up with the times.   If you're going to burn gasoline on a regular basis, I wouldn't worry about it unless or until the liner starts to break up.   Only one of my lanterns running RUG did I lose the fount liner.  I believe it was compromised when I got the lantern and I tried to completely remove it not long after I got it.   However, it still had a bit too much integrity and I couldn't remove the remainder from the fount wall or base.  After another year, it was ready to break into pieces for removal.   I suspect that it was the alcohol that did it in, but didn't pursue the cause because it wouldn't have mattered; I was running only gasoline in a few different lanterns nightly for a year.  Plus I only have access to gasoline with alcohol in my area.   The coating that broke up on me was the pink fount liner in a 285.  The brown liner in a much older 220 remained fine. 

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>>On gun forums when someone starts a thread of “what’s the best gun cleaner?” Hoppes #9 always get good rating.

Steve,

I know that Hoppe's is awesome, but now you have me wondering if that incredible aroma is also swaying us.  🙂

-Jim

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Gunhippie
mnhogrider wrote:

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On gun forums when someone starts a thread of “what’s the best gun cleaner?” Hoppes #9 always get good rating. Some of the old timers swear it’s kerosene mixed with some banana oil.



I guess they've never had the crappy new plastic bottles break open in their tool kit. There's enough ammonium salts in there to eat any brass in the kit. The ammonium salts are there to dissolve case metal left in the barrel.
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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D421
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Gunhippie
I wonder if one of those magnetic thingies on the carb would make it last longer?
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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JimL
>>I wonder if one of those magnetic thingies on the carb would make it last longer?

Those J.C. Whitney catalogs were quite entertaining back in the day.  If all the gadgets actually worked that had incredible fuel economy claims, you'd probably get 1000 MPG if you bought them all.

I'm thinking I should recommend the Fuel Shark to my friend with a Tesla.  🙂

-Jim

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Gunhippie
I miss the JC Whitney catalog. Best thing I ever bought from them was a cow-caller horn. Installed it on my '56 VW bus (the Tin Cow) and the kids loved it.

Well, I'll be... https://www.carparts.com/jc-whitney?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9qGn7aXx6wIVHCCtBh2hrwJBEAAYASAAEgK0T_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Not quite the same thing.
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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mnhogrider
Years ago I had an old oil burner truck and ordered a set of spark plugs from JC Whitney that “burned in oil”. They actually worked pretty good. Didn’t foul out as much as regular plugs. Didn’t help with all the blue smoke though 🙂
Steve
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