200A and 202 reproduction
frames back
in stock.

Wildbirder
I dropped buy a Place today and saw they still had this from a month or so ago. Originally they asked way to much. Today it was stickered at for 25% less. They remembered me and right off the bat dropped it by more than half. Well I left with it and they got a rather antique looking 200 and a bit of my dough. I didn’t have a built in pump with the nickel vent yet so I’m happy.

So here’s the question. Does it look correct? Dated 11/27. Smooth winged cap. Patented Airtubes. Made in Toronto baffle. Two larger holes in the base plate. Hex post bail attachment.
Seams the bail attachment is earlier than the date stamp. The ICCC book doesn’t list this style of bail for a Canadian 427.
What else has everyone seen and have in there collection for Canadian models.
Mark
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Gand28
Mark, I think the smooth winged cap is correct. US and Canadian LQ 427 with built-on pumps used the scalloped cap. Early built-in style may have still had the scalloped style but most ‘27 and later in the US have smooth caps.

I agree that frame looks earlier at least based on US production, but not sure for Canadian. Those aftermarket lighting holes are fairly common.

Clean her up and lets see some fire!
Greg -- Fiat Lux!
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Scouterjan
Nice score Mark big hole in the base is mot correct. That burner cage is off a early 327. Not sure if 427 used the early valve wheel
Jan


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xoleagleye
I agree with Greg on the fuel caps and burner frame being from an earlier quick lite. The bail holders should be bent up style and your lantern should have an embossed vent also.

Jan, here is a picture of my 1/26 Canadian external pump 427. It has the Bakelite valve knob with small coleman and larger Close and arrow. And a ribbed fuel cap. As found in Canada.

Third picture valve knob from 1/26 Canadian external pump 427

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Wildbirder
Thanks so far everyone. Keep it coming though.

Jan, That’s what I was suspecting for the cage. I have two partial late model 427 with matching dates. Thirties I think. One has a dark green enameled vent the other is ventless. I may steal the cage off one if I can be positive it would be correct.
All this has to wait. I promised no more fettling until after the move. Busy packing, viewing houses, bought a car today (just happened to be near an antique shop). Going to the island to see houses and schools next weekend. My home computer died. Off to Japan for three weeks soon. The sky is falling.
.....Unless it’s just a leather and gasket......
Mark
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xoleagleye
Mark, if the extra burner frame has bent up bail tabs then it should be period correct. If I remember right, the 30’s burner frames had bent down bail tabs and the bail was bent differently to compensate for the brimmed vent. My 327 signal dated 3/35, the tabs are bent down.
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Gand28
Save room at the new house for the camp kitchen! Am I giving it to you or someone at Lacey?
Greg -- Fiat Lux!
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Seeker of Canadian Nickel!
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Wildbirder
“Greg-I will. I’d never base a buying decision on it but I’m often thinking “This a small workshop space” or “This is good hunting grounds”
I’m aiming for Lacey but can’t commit from my job unless I book the day off. Likely I won’t work and will make a day trip.
Other Greg- Thanks for the tips. It may stay as found for now then. I seam to be accumulating a mix mash of quicklites. Only two correct ones are an external pump like yours and an early 327 with no baffle. I often find half lanterns.
Mark
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Scouterjan
Mark I.might have a cage for you but no extra vents. Good luck on the house hunting. I hope the car can pull the boler
Jan


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adelcoro
nice l427
I would keep it exactly the way you found it
Vent and cap are correct


the cage could also be correct
they were still using this type of bail attachment in 1926.
Toronto would use up all their leftovers
they could've had some earlier cages left over
and used it

when in doubt leave it as is



Agostino
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adelcoro
same as yours, but one year later


10 1928 L427
and 8 1927

Canada


I wouldn't touch the one you have
just my advice

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xoleagleye
Ago, that burner frame has hex bail attachments, which is earlier than the round bail pins and the vents were embossed starting in 1924. Is this not correct in Canada also?

Your 28 427 has tab up bails pins as my 26 427. So wouldn't his 27 427 have them?
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adelcoro
yes Cameron I explained above that Toronto used this type of bail attachment until
1926
so im figuring one year later could still be an original part
from the factory
they sometimes used up older parts.
no waist in the Toronto plant.
that's why it's important to leave stuff as found
sometimes other examples show up later and are the same.

The picture underneath is a Canadian 1926 327 model
I'm sure I have many more at home ,just like this



second,

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adelcoro
1927 l427
1926 l327
1928 l427

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Wildbirder
Cameron, sorry I referred to you as the other Greg. I can’t see signatures on the app.

Yes, this vent is embossed. I didn’t specify previously. If there’s a chance it’s original this is the way it’ll stay.

Agostino, as you say incase other examples show up.

I checked and oiled the leather. Swapped caps with another 427 that has a new gasket. Wouldn’t build pressure, check valve needs work. Probably the genny too. Could be a simple cleaning but it’s getting shelved for now.
Mark
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xoleagleye
No problem Mark. I knew who you were talking too. LOl Looks like a good project no matter what! Cant wait to see it fired up.
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Mark
so the vent is correct
good idea to leave it as is 👍
good find!
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SteveRetherford
looking for any coments . its a Canadian 427 dated 27 - 1 . look at the fuel cap screw here , its got a higher dome to the screw , is that just a canadian version screw ? also the frame rest is plated , the plating is peeling a bit in a few areas is that also a canadian feature too ? i tried to take a pic of the air tube stampings but it didnt come out , but ts got the right canadian stamping .





ball nut is pretty neat looking ? i believe this is a canadian design nut ? i have another very similar but its the closed version with no hole on top also canadian.



i really want a better vent , this one is pretty trashed .



 here is my main snag , i need a whole new pump assembly . some one had cut off the upper part of the pump and soldered a quick lite fuel cap over the hex but it too has let loose .. i bought a 427 a couple weeks ago mostly for the pump but it turned out to good to rob the pump from it .

so if anyone has a pump they would be willing to sell ? im your guy :-)

[DrSteve2]    Steve , Keeper of the Light !!!
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Scouterjan
Steve I might have a Canadian pump
Jan


Mitakiuye Oyasin " All My Relations"
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adelcoro
Steve
yes that's a Canadian ball nut

I believe I have several like this
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SteveRetherford
if you can find a pump Jan that would be fantastic !!!! please let me know :-)

im not sure if a Canadian pump is any different from a USA pump ? im cleaning the frame for it today , its soaking right now . despite some nickel loss to the fount there isnt a dent on it . i think it can be a pretty nice lantern .
[DrSteve2]    Steve , Keeper of the Light !!!
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MrAlexxx
Nice score Mark!! Good luck house hunting.  😉
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SteveRetherford
i got a post Canada package in yesterday mail from Scouter Jan :-) so i had some work to do , these pumps can be a bear to get working just right . the BB didnt want to seal so i put a new one in its place , new pump cup , then it would leak at the threads so i had to add a bit of sealer to the threads but we finally got light !!!

thanks a BUNCH Jan !!!

now if i could fine a better vent it would be pretty nice , i started thinking about taking this vent apart to remove some dents but the bottom portion is really bad not sure it can be helped .

[DrSteve2]    Steve , Keeper of the Light !!!
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