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I just purchased a Coleman lantern marked as not working. I started taking it apart and there was a strong citronella smell from the fuel. Is it possible to run these lanterns on tiki torch oil? or is there a white gas with citronella in it? or did the previous owners think it was broken because someone put the wrong fuel in it? I changed the fuel and changed it out and it works perfect for me.....
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Chucker
Yes.

Coleman even marketed their fuel in the 70's IIRC with bug stuff in it. Members who collect the cans have posted them here. 

I wouldn't hesitate to add a few drops of it myself if I saw the need around here. Actually I use straight Tiki Torch fuel with citronella in my RxR lanterns when camping. I set them around the perimeter. 
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I run a good dose in all my outside kerosene lamps and lanterns.
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You can put a lot of things in a Coleman lantern. Sand, concrete, Plaster of Paris, cat urine, epoxy, black powder..... Not all would be a good idea.
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Rustytank
But does it work effectively in a pressure lantern? 
I can see it in a wickie.
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Doug L
I read that some guys use a mix. 
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gootsch
I remember that Coleman marketed CF with  citronella in it in the 1990's. 
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gwillmot
Gunhippie wrote:
You can put a lot of things in a Coleman lantern. Sand, concrete, Plaster of Paris, cat urine, epoxy, black powder..... Not all would be a good idea.

Thanks for the in-depth answer ....
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JimL
@jackrabbit66Jack,
If that's a Coleman kerosene lantern, it may work, but would need a proper preheat.  I wouldn't try in a CF lantern unless I bought actual citronella oil and added two or three drops to a fount of CF and see if that would be enough.
 

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uvarmint
Gunhippie wrote:
You can put a lot of things in a Coleman lantern. Sand, concrete, Plaster of Paris, cat urine, epoxy, black powder..... Not all would be a good idea.


Thats where mind was going too......
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Bumpkin 95
Previous owner may have tried Tiki torch oil. I bought a 502 that was 25% full of dyed kerosene. Pictures showed a nasty  yellow flame that the P.O. thought was good. I got a good price and new it would be a full tear down anyway but had a good chuckle when I emptied the fount into a small bucket for inspection. I was kinda surprised it did not fill the bunson with kero and have fire coming out all over when they tried to light it.
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Banjoman
I don’t I use a preheat cup on top of the vent filled with citronella made to fir the vent nut. That I’m safe and can add more as it burns down
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gwillmot
uvarmint wrote:


Thats where mind was going too......

You gotta stop following that thing ...... it's lost!
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Rustytank
Banjoman wrote:
I don’t I use a preheat cup on top of the vent filled with citronella made to fir the vent nut. That I’m safe and can add more as it burns down
Darrell

That's a good idea.
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Rustytank
Well tonight I filled the 639c and the Aida with tiki citronella oil, they both ran fine and the mosquitos stayed away nicely. I ran them about 3hrs before I came inside. I'll run it out and look inside and see how they look.
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Chucker
Rusty, I like your willingness to test that stuff.

What do you think a 50/50 blend of CF/Citro in the 639 would do? Still work to repel mosquito's?

I'm guessing the straight tiki torch oil would clog the gen rather quickly.. 
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JimL
I'm curious what the generator will look like after running a fount of that stuff.  I still wouldn't try it myself, but am curious.

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Rustytank
Chucker wrote:
Rusty, I like your willingness to test that stuff.

What do you think a 50/50 blend of CF/Citro in the 639 would do? Still work to repel mosquito's?

I'm guessing the straight tiki torch oil would clog the gen rather quickly.. 

I'm betting it would run fine in it without much fouling. My 639c has only had a few founts of CF in it. I noticed on the Aida preheater torch that it was a really pretty clean mostly blue flame like the kerosene I run. The diesel was a lot more yellow with some blue in it. I think this stuff is pretty clean fuel and the addition of CF should only tend to make it run cleaner. It is Tiki brand citronella scented torch fuel in the easy-pour bottle. $6 a half gallon at the Dollar General store. I also was impressed with the light output and couldn't tell the difference from the kerosene.
They also had another brand that was a mix of citronella and cedar oil I will try when this runs out.
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Rustytank
JimL wrote:
I'm curious what the generator will look like after running a fount of that stuff.  I still wouldn't try it myself, but am curious.

I'll pull it and have a look after I run the rest out. Might be tomorrow, not sure. As clean as the fuel looked in the Aida preheater I'm going to guess the generator will be fine though. I did 3 founts of diesel and the generator was clean as if I'd been running kerosene. The fount was too. I had to pull the valve out after an over-excited, undersupervised neighbor kid somehow turned the knob too far and got the valve block, eccentric pricker rod all out of whack. The pricker rod was in a zig-zag shape but fortunately the wire was intact. But I got a good look inside of things. 
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Rustytank
Chucker wrote:
Rusty, I like your willingness to test that stuff.

What do you think a 50/50 blend of CF/Citro in the 639 would do? Still work to repel mosquito's?

I'm guessing the straight tiki torch oil would clog the gen rather quickly.. 

Ok here's the Aida on the second fount of straight Tiki citronella fuel on the left and the 639c with roughly 50/50 CF and citronella.
I did forget to pull the generator on the 639c after running the straight Tiki citronella. I'll try to look after this one 0524202134_compress97.jpg 
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Rustytank
Idk why my photos are sideways.
Here's my ugly 10/72 200a I bought Friday running with a mix of 25% Tiki citronella and 75% CF. This lan tern fired right up with the fuel that came in it after knocking some dirt dauber nests out and clearing the spider web out of the air tube and putting on a new mantle. 0524202142_compress98.jpg  0524202141_compress19.jpg 
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gwillmot
You know .... I got to thinking ....
Does citronella REALLY repel anything, or does it just attract curious lantern fanatics?
You decide .......
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Chucker
gwillmot wrote:
You know .... I got to thinking ....
Does citronella REALLY repel anything, or does it just attract curious lantern fanatics?
You decide .......
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Research looking at it's effectiveness is conflicting.

 
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Jeremy B
Hi Folks 
Personally I have never put any citronella oil in my pressure lanterns which are predominantly paraffin/kerosene types as the general consensus in the UK is that it will gum up the vaporiser quickly.  I do however use a cheapie hurricane lamp with it in as a repellent and find the winding mechanism does gum up quicker than in my other hurricane lanterns.
Do you add a few drops of concentrated citronella oil into your fuel or does it come as a pre-prepared mix as it does this side of the pond?  This mix seems more waxy than standard kerosene.
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Rustytank
What I'm using is prebottled and sold in the store. I think it's regular kerosene with an undetermined strength of citronella in it. My experience has been that within 5 or so feet of the lantern with it on the ground and me sitting in a patio chair the mosquitos were not bothering me. I left that area and they found me again. That also has been my experience with tiki torches. If you have the torch too high you don't get as good of an effect. I'm looking for antique kerosene road flares to clean up for mosquito duty.
But my biggest thing lately is finding what all I can pour in an Aida and a 639c and see if it run. I will run another fount tonight and look at the 639c generator. I think I'm going to try charcoal lighter fluid next. Maybe compare Kingsford to the offbrands.
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Rustytank
Allright, sorry for the delay on this. Here is the generator of the 639c after 3 founts of diesel, 3 founts of citronella tiki oil and one fount of approx 50/50 citronella and crown camp fuel. Not any worse for the wear than I'd expect running straight kerosene. No sludge on the inside of the tube.

0606201955_compress60.jpg  The Aida ran fine on the same regimen except diesel was used instead of crown fuel on the 50/50 mix. I didn't bother pulling the vaporizer on it after seeing inside the Coleman generator. Tonight both are running on 50/50 citronella tiki oil and kerosene because I used my diesel on a burn pile today.
I didn't clean the 639 generator, I've decided to just keep on running it on diesel and tiki oil until I have to clean it. I do plan to try it on charcoal lighter fluid but keep forgetting to pick some up at the store.
Bottom line: the 639c is a true multifuel lantern. It's run so far on:
kerosene
diesel
Tiki brand citronella oil
Crown camp fuel
Regular unleaded gas
E10 unleaded gas.
I think it's what Coleman should have marketed as a multifuel instead of the dual fuel. But folks want instant lighting and the oil fuels won't do that.
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Chucker
These lantern's are capable of a lot of fuel variations. 
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Farmer Brown
Hello. Totally off topic but, I’ve never seen a chat that resolved the dual fuel lanterns clogging up. I’ve heard many complaints about pump gas and cleaned many tanks from it as well. I Have however had great luck with ethanol free “rec 90” in dual fuel lanterns.  
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Rustytank
Farmer Brown I have never ran a dual fuel lantern but I've run regular gas in regular Coleman lanterns my whole life. The generators clog up faster with the regular gas but with the price difference between Coleman fuel and regular gas I still came out ahead having to buy more generators. Then I found this trick and now only buy generators when I break the cleaning tip on one.
https://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/post/cleaning-a-generator-6732305
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I’ve been around small and old engines a lot and the ethanol does not do favors. So I thought of the rec 90 idea and it seems to work in the couple dual fuels I have. I still like my 228s more though.
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JimL
Just an FYI, but I f the generator has a dimple on it, it’s got a captive bushing and doesn’t come apart like the earlier ones.  The captive bushing ones are the challenging ones.

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zoomkat
As to the citronella question in a gas lantern, I would suspect the citronella in the gas will be completely burned and consumed due to the high temperatures involved. Wick lamps and candles probably allow sufficient citronella to be vaporized and released from the lower wick sections to where it is not broken down and consumed.
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Pancholoco1911
JimL wrote:
Just an FYI, but I f the generator has a dimple on it, it’s got a captive bushing and doesn’t come apart like the earlier ones.  The captive bushing ones are the challenging ones.

i work them pretty easily. Torch the dimple and pull the needle with a nose pliers, clean all parts and reassemble then punch the dimple again. That’s how I do and have had  great success 
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JimL
Pancho,

What are you doing to hold the generator while pulling on the rod?  And why are you reusing that bushing?

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JimL wrote:
Pancho,

What are you doing to hold the generator while pulling on the rod?  And why are you reusing that bushing?


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because I think or not the bushing keeps colder fuel at the bottom of the gen and gas on top. I have never tried the other way 

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