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temils
Hi all.  I need some help finding a replacement valve stem for an Ash Flash 1022. 

I picked this lantern up several years ago, and have never messed with it until now.  After some testing and teardown, I discovered that the tapered end of the valve stem is damage.  Looks like it was turned into the valve too far, and the end of it is now blunted/mushroomed.  It looks like the packing was damaged at the same time so probably need one of those as well.

The rest of the lantern is in really good shape, so I am hoping to find a replacement valve stem.  So far my internet searching has not turned up any prospects, but has taught me enough to know that the Coleman parts will normally not fit. 

Does anyone here have any Ash Flash spare parts sources I can contact, or perhaps another creative way to get this lantern back to fully operational?

Thanks for any help you can offer!
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My Name Is Earl
A common request here. Post in the classifieds. I have refurbished both  single and double and lucked out here 'cause fellow members had a parts lantern with what I needed. 
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Whitegas Extraordinaire
temils wrote:
Hi all.  I need some help finding a replacement valve stem for an Ash Flash 1022. 

I picked this lantern up several years ago, and have never messed with it until now.  After some testing and teardown, I discovered that the tapered end of the valve stem is damage.  Looks like it was turned into the valve too far, and the end of it is now blunted/mushroomed.  It looks like the packing was damaged at the same time so probably need one of those as well.

The rest of the lantern is in really good shape, so I am hoping to find a replacement valve stem.  So far my internet searching has not turned up any prospects, but has taught me enough to know that the Coleman parts will normally not fit. 

Does anyone here have any Ash Flash spare parts sources I can contact, or perhaps another creative way to get this lantern back to fully operational?

Thanks for any help you can offer!


Post some pics, I have some single and double mantle ash flash parts here and a parts 1022, that ran phenomenally until the fount let go. I need to make sure I keep some spares for what I have complete. I bought some parts from another member a while back but I’ve helped out a few others along the way so I’m not entirely sure what’s left. I am sure I have an extra valve. btw if the stem is that buggered your valve maybe too. I’ll pull a couple off the shelf and inspect, but my spare parts are at my shop. I can look at those in the AM.
Thank you!
Kevin
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zoomkat
"After some testing and teardown, I discovered that the tapered end of the valve stem is damage."

Did the valve leak by when you tested it? Post a picture of the damages valve stem surface. There may be ways to make the one you have work again.
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Mister Wilson
I have a couple of parts lanterns if Kevin doesn't have what you need.
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temils

Thanks for the fast responses guys.

I did pressure it up and the valve was leaking significantly, even when fully closed. I looked into the valve with a bright light and I don’t think the internal part of the valve was damaged at the same time.


Hopefully it is a match for parts that you have Kevin. I will attempt a couple photos here of the lantern and damaged stem.

thanks - Tom


 

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temils

I attempted a photo of the inside of the valve as well. Lighting is tricky, but I do see some potential marks in there from the end of the valve stem so I probably would want to get a valve as well as the stem to play it safe if someone has both available. 

 

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zoomkat
A typical repair might include lightly dressing the tip with sandpaper and a drill, or tinning the tip with a little soft solder.
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Whitegas Extraordinaire

I pulled a couple valve stems off either users or parts lanterns. This is what they look like. I’m pretty sure I have a complete valves at work. I’ll pm you pics in the AM. 

Thank you!
Kevin

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I frighten easily!

My current shade is Coleman!!

To me a lamp without a shade is creepy!

ICCC # 1865

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Guff
Tom, You may need to pull the valve from the fount and check the fuel rod in the fuel air tube for any damage to the brass domed tip.
In your last picture I can see that the the top brass tip of the fuel rod appears to protrude too high into the valve assembly with the valve stem removed. That domed tip of the fuel rod should only protrude to about the half way mark of the assembly, so that when the valve stem is screwed into the valve closed position the pointed taper will then push the fuel rod down and block the bottom hole in the end of the F/A tube. If the tip is too high the tapered end of the valve will push the fuel rod tip sideways in it's housing, and cause damage to the taper like your valve stem has.

I have seen this same problem with some of these Ash Flash lanterns here before, and it sometime seems to be caused by a PO replacing the AF fuel rod with a Coleman F/A rod which has a longer tip and overall length. Or maybe the original rod was manufactured with a tip too long.
So just check yours as you may have to get an original AF F/A tube complete, or at least an original fuel rod.

You can also file down the existing fuel rod, if it is undamaged, so it will sit at the halfway mark of the valve stem opening when the stem is removed. Also check that the bottom end of the fuel rod only just protrudes from the bottom hole in the F/A tube by about 1/16" when the valve stem is in the closed position.

Keith.
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temils

Thanks for the detailed description Keith. I will do a tear down and inspect the parts to make sure I don’t damage any replacement parts. 


Thanks for checking your parts stash Kevin. I will look for your PM whenever you can. 


thanks - Tom

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temils

Progress update on the Ash Flash repair…

 

I did the full teardown as Keith suggested above.  As he suspected, the tip of the fuel rod was damaged (photo below) and was a contributor to the damage of the tip of the valve stem.   So now I am in search of the valve stem and a fuel rod to bring this one back to life.  Rest of the internals on the lantern look really clean, so hopeful for getting it back up and running.

 

Kevin was awesome and checked his parts supplies, but turns out he was depleted helping someone else out with a  similar issue. 

 

John - I will PM you to see if you happen to have a valve stem and a fuel rod available.  If not, I will turn to the classifieds.

 

I may attempt to recondition the valve stem as zoomkat recommended, but the end of it is pretty chewed up so hoping to find a good condition replacement one as the first alternative.

 

I have had good luck with figuring it out repair/rebuild stuff on my own with a few coleman lanterns, stoves, and heaters over the years.  This Ash Flash was just enough different that I needed some additional advice.  This forum is awesome, thanks for all the help guys!


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Guff
Tom, That's some good pics of the type of damage that can be caused to the fuel rod and valve stem tip when the top of the fuel rod is too long to sit at the correct height in the valve assembly.
I had exactly the same problem where a Coleman F/A fuel rod was used in a Camper #1 lantern (also made in Hong Kong). There have also been a couple of other cases here of this happening to Ash Flash lanterns.
I ended up retapering my valve stem and used another Coleman fuel rod, which I modified to fit.
The Coleman rod had a longer overall length and the brass tip of it was also much longer, and had a slightly larger diameter, than the Camper one. I was able to trim that one down to the correct length both ends and reduce the diameter of the brass tip as well, then redomed the brass tip. It worked perfectly, just like an original rod.
So if you can't get the correct parts for yours, you may be able to do that as well, However the correct replacement parts would naturally be better.

Keith.
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