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Kosterme
Evening all

got my first air o last week and finally got the “guide” from OCP.  That’s an amazing book. With that however I’m trying to date this lantern. For those of you that have it im referencing pages 90-92. I’ve got the ball but that’s closed, I’ve got the ventilator with the three small knotches on it, the hexed bail attachment but I have the frame base plate with the cut out for easier fueling. Just thoughts on trying to get a more exact date..I think the frame has been switched out. Just getting thoughts on it 

regards

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Tgarner01
Looks like someone notched it their self. Does it have the lighting door in the bottom of the frame? Any thing on the valve wheel? Patent date on the air tube? 
Toby Garner
ICCC #1939
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Kosterme
If you have the guide I have everything on page 90, if not I have the above listed and the “patented may 23, 1919 and attached is a picture of the valve wheel...the lighting hole looks machined to me, gentlemen on here that I got it from said possible Afterwards but there are no burrs and the guide doesn’t have much to say or that I’ve found yet on it  8E88F75B-9645-418D-8D98-7E81C9E86E27.jpeg  D9B5B6C2-F6A7-4A6D-A109-91A6F25399FB.jpeg 
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Tgarner01
@coleman54 will be able to help you more than me. But from what I'm seeing it looks like some early parts and some later. F valve wheel would be late for an air-o. Parts got swapped around on these often. Larry should be along. Nice lantern ðŸ‘
Toby Garner
ICCC #1939
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Kosterme
I heard @coleman54 was the person to speak too...and I know I’m talking probably 10 yrs here between everything...just trying to pinpoint it and it might not be possible. Thanks for your help 
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Tgarner01
I'm guessing the majority of your parts are 1919-1922... Larry will school us ðŸ˜
Toby Garner
ICCC #1939
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Kosterme
Can’t wait to hear about it...lots to learn !
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coleman54
Thanks Toby,

Hi Kraig, nice lantern ! 
from what I can see from here, the lantern components date it to earlier mid part of 1919, with exception of the fiber valve wheel that dates to 1927, and probably the air stem on filler plug are later replacements in the last 101 years. 😁
Larry

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Hot Diggity
Frame notch was added by someone.  It is tight to get a pump in there without it.  Closed nut, unmarked vent, notches in the vent are right, hex bail attachment and 1919 marked air tube will only pin it down to 1919-1921.  Several changes in 1922 aren't present.

That notch in the frame is quite generous, but don't think I haven't considered it when trying to use a big pump.  Maybe that or a big funnel was what they were going for.  It's not an unsightly notch, and it is a historical modification.
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Rubing
Kevin,
i am not a wealth of knowledge on these but it looks to me like you have a later filler cap as well. 
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Hot Diggity
One of my most beat up looking pumps has a worn spot most of the way around that lines up with the QL frame, so it's matched up with an equally beat up QL. 
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Kosterme
@coleman54, attached I have a pic of a fiber knob off of a quicklite that is I believe older, can you confirm?.. B3B06BFD-9664-40EE-81FA-A3F2BB97A271.jpeg  296DE4BB-6B84-4007-BB4B-0DABB968DB03.jpeg  the fuel cap I did just notice is different as well..I’ll attach a picture of the other cap I have 
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coleman54
Kosterme wrote:
@coleman54, attached I have a pic of a fiber knob off of a quicklite that is I believe older, can you confirm?..   the fuel cap I did just notice is different as well..I’ll attach a picture of the other cap I have 

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Yes Kraig , those will work fine !
Larry

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Kosterme
One last question for the evening..have a few fuel knobs with D, E, F and nothing but the arrow...anywhere these dates of manufacturing are located hear or in any book

thanks everyone for their responses 

kraig 
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Tgarner01
https://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/post/fiber-valve-wheel-identification-guide-9514635
Toby Garner
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Tigerfans2
As for frames with owner pump relief cutouts remember these were tools and that cutout made for an easier to use tool.

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Chucker
coleman54 wrote:
Thanks Toby,

Hi Kraig, nice lantern ! 
from what I can see from here, the lantern components date it to earlier mid part of 1919, with exception of the fiber valve wheel that dates to 1927, and probably the air stem on filler plug are later replacements in the last 101 years. 😁


On pg. 90 it describes the "black fiber valve wheel" on them immediately after talking about the early models without a baffle plate. What am I missing here?
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coleman54

Chucker wrote:


On pg. 90 it describes the "black fiber valve wheel" on them immediately after talking about the early models without a baffle plate. What am I missing here?

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Hi Chuck,  not sure you are missing anything that is there, unfortunately everything is not there, the guide was just meant to give a short overview and what is there is not always clearly time line correctly described or illustrated. Just as the order you just stated. They all had a black fiber valve wheel from the first shipping September 1916, into mid 1928.

Page # 90
“The Production Periods” 
“Beginning 1917”
actually starts listing components after May 1919.  

Page # 91
states the earliest frame plate has 5 concentric holes is the incorrect version shown, that frame began in 1921.
There were three basic frames, two of which are previous to the third one that is shown and described in the guide with and without a flat baffle plate, that later in 1923 changed to the curved type. The two previous frames are shown here in order :


QL September 1916-mid late 1917

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QL Late 1917- mid 1921   AF1E5821-CDD3-45E1-8BD2-94C5D22DD314.jpeg 

Page 90 
Identification : 
Describes the first mixing chamber is actually from 1919-1923 era,
there were two styles previous shown in order below.
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The hex filler plug was the second style on QL that replaced the round type, they shared the same part # 64 B. 
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Page 93
Approximately 1924 :
Statement about Bail held by two tabs did not happen until early 1926-early 1928. 
Page  94
Approximately 1930 :
Green vent began transitioning sporadically in Late 1926. 

Down position bail attachments began early 1927. 

These and other nuances may be of no value to some readers, to some other collectors these are very important details to accurately date an example they are very interested in knowing. 

 

 

Larry

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Kosterme
Wow!! Very cool information!
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