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Fj40z
I’m in the process of going through a 2570 I bought at an estate sale yesterday. Of course it came with the typical hexagonal shaped AGM fount LOL. I’m using a 242 fount as a replacement. I’ve taken the entire valve assembly apart for cleaning and now that I’m putting it back together the rod going through the f/a tube never goes back up as you open the valve to allow fuel to travel up the tube. I’ve had AGM stuff apart before and it’s always been straight forward but I can’t figure this out. Any ideas on what I might be overlooking? Thanks 

Stephen

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The Coleman Blue’s 243’s #157
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Fj40z
Also should mention that when you try to close the valve shut the pointed end hits too high and just stops, not allowing the spring on the f/a rod to be compressed at all. Really had me frustrated at the moment. Does anyone have a valve assembly or pics of one I could compare with? Thanks for any help in advance.

Stephen

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Fj40z
Here’s a some pics of what I’m working with. First pic is of the assembly. Second pic is with the valve closed completely, third pic is with the valve all the way open. It shows how much of the rod is still sticking out of the bottom of the fuel tube. Click image for larger version - Name: C39BDCD2-505C-444B-A951-7D5BDC21CFFC.jpeg, Views: 48, Size: 153.05 KB Click image for larger version - Name: 4DE2C4ED-BF62-4DFD-B408-89242775644C.jpeg, Views: 51, Size: 105.40 KB Click image for larger version - Name: ED97FAC0-9108-41E9-A672-2D8DE9FEB10D.jpeg, Views: 49, Size: 76.63 KB

Stephen

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Coleman Slant Saver #55
The Coleman Blue’s 243’s #157
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Gunhippie
Are you sure the spring is on the right side of the follower? If it's on top, it'll keep the stem down all the time. No clue about the conflict with the valve stem point. I've worked on a couple of these style valves and had no problem.

Spring should be on the rod like this:

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Best of luck, and let us know what you find!
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Fj40z
Gunhippie wrote:
Are you sure the spring is on the right side of the follower? If it's on top, it'll keep the stem down all the time. No clue about the conflict with the valve stem point. I've worked on a couple of these style valves and had no problem.

Spring should be on the rod like this:

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Best of luck, and let us know what you find!


Thanks for the input Timm as I’m really scratching my head on this one. Yes, the spring is oriented as the one in your picture. The fuel pickup looks very short, almost like there should be something else on top of it to drop it down more and give the added length it needs but I cannot find a picture of a complete one. Off for more head scratching and searching I guess. 

Stephen

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Coleman Slant Saver #55
The Coleman Blue’s 243’s #157
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Guff
Your F/A assembly appears to be the correct one for an AGM 2570. However, the internal rod seems to be too long and may have been swapped out with a Coleman rod, or one from another lantern type. Some of your joints on your F/A tube also need to be screwed up more to firm, but that would make your situation worse.

You mentioned that the top brass end of the rod is protruding too far into the valve body, causing the pointed end of the valve to hit below the domed top of the rod and not allowing the rod to be pushed down. If that is happening then the rod is not the correct one for your F/A assembly.
First remove the valve stem and shine a pencil light into the valve body, and see if the top domed part of the rod is protruding well above the center line of the valve body. It should only protrude such that the top of the brass piece of the rod is at the half way position, or a smidgen above it, with the valve stem removed.

I had this same problem with an AFC lantern. In that case the top domed brass top of the rod was protruding about 3/16" above the halfway of the valve body. It was fairly easy to file and redome the top brass part of the rod to shorten it, and then cut the other end of the steel rod to the correct length, so it just exposed the opening in the bottom of the F/A tube, in your case the jet orifice, with the valve full open.
That could be the cause of your problem.

Keith.  
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Fj40z
Guff wrote:
Your F/A assembly appears to be the correct one for an AGM 2570. However, the internal rod seems to be too long and may have been swapped out with a Coleman rod, or one from another lantern type. Some of your joints on your F/A tube also need to be screwed up more to firm, but that would make your situation worse.

You mentioned that the top brass end of the rod is protruding too far into the valve body, causing the pointed end of the valve to hit below the domed top of the rod and not allowing the rod to be pushed down. If that is happening then the rod is not the correct one for your F/A assembly.
First remove the valve stem and shine a pencil light into the valve body, and see if the top domed part of the rod is protruding well above the center line of the valve body. It should only protrude such that the top of the brass piece of the rod is at the half way position, or a smidgen above it, with the valve stem removed.

I had this same problem with an AFC lantern. In that case the top domed brass top of the rod was protruding about 3/16" above the halfway of the valve body. It was fairly easy to file and redome the top brass part of the rod to shorten it, and then cut the other end of the steel rod to the correct length, so it just exposed the opening in the bottom of the F/A tube, in your case the jet orifice, with the valve full open.
That could be the cause of your problem.

Keith.  


Thank you Keith!! That’s exactly the kind of info I was looking for. I was thinking along those same lines but really needed to hear it from someone else before I trimmed the internal rod. Thanks again!

Stephen

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Coleman Slant Saver #55
The Coleman Blue’s 243’s #157
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Gunhippie
Here's a AGM valve that seems to be of the same vintage as yours:

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If that helps any.
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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Fj40z
Gunhippie wrote:
Here's a AGM valve that seems to be of the same vintage as yours:

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If that helps any.


Thanks Timm! It does help, it looks just like the one I have so that makes me feel better. With that and what @Guff has told me I believe someone has gotten into it before and swapped out the rod that’s in the fuel tube. I worked on it till late last night trimming the rod and filing off and re-doming some of the top part that supports the spring and hits the valve. Got home a little while ago and was going to test fire it. With the valve closed as soon as I started pumping air in I could hear it escaping even with the valve closed. I think I’m going to have to bite the bullet and make a post in the classifieds and see if anyone has some replacement parts. I really do appreciate all the help from the both of you.

Stephen

Quicklite Crew #3
Coleman Slant Saver #55
The Coleman Blue’s 243’s #157
275 Appreciation Syndicate member #0245

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Gunhippie
I have an old AGM w/ fractured fount sitting here that I might be willing to part out. I'll try to dig into it in the next few days to see if it has that style valve. Kinda deep in projects right now, 'though.
It's priceless until someone puts a price on it.
Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you criticize him--then you're a mile away, and he has no shoes.
Texan's last words: "Y'all--hold my beer--I wanta' try sumptin'."
Timm--Middle of nowhere, near the end of the road, Oregon.
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Fj40z
Gunhippie wrote:
I have an old AGM w/ fractured fount sitting here that I might be willing to part out. I'll try to dig into it in the next few days to see if it has that style valve. Kinda deep in projects right now, 'though.


Timm that would be awesome but please don’t get rid of something you’d rather not, I totally understand. No rush either, just let me know if you do. Thanks either way, I really appreciate it.

Stephen

Quicklite Crew #3
Coleman Slant Saver #55
The Coleman Blue’s 243’s #157
275 Appreciation Syndicate member #0245

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