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skorpiius
The photos in their thread are making me drool... ugh.

Question: Although it sounds like the 222/3-position lever design are the best operating models, is there any substantial weight difference between all of these models? I'm considering getting one for actual backpacking/camping to complement my 550B.
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Kansas John
skorpiius wrote:
The photos in their thread are making me drool... ugh.

Question: Although it sounds like the 222/3-position lever design are the best operating models, is there any substantial weight difference between all of these models? I'm considering getting one for actual backpacking/camping to complement my 550B.


There doesn't appear to be a noticeable weight difference to me. One thing I like better about the later 222/226/229 lanterns is the underside of the vent. The early 222's have only two vertical posts bent down for the bail attachment. The later models have a more robust bail attachment that also secures the globe better.

John M. Lawrence, KS
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Sthwaites
I never got why Coleman lanterns were so popular until I purchased one. I have no idea how many I have right now but I do love my 229's.

But Coleman is such a limited brand over here in the UK. We have the Sportster Stove, the Northstar Lantern, Dual and Single Mantle Lanterns but the Exponent Xcursion was advertised over here as were many others but never showed up over here.

I'm trying despirately to get a hold of a Pinnicle, Luminos, CPX All in One Bowl, Signature Stove and Oven and I seriously want a Exponent Backpackers Table and Gear Station - but again it's advertised in European and UK literature but never gets over here.

Can any one help a poor brit???
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tsmerian
MotorcycleDan wrote:


Yes, there are a few of them! Here is my display from last years convention. All the lanterns and stoves are different in some way. These are the ones that were for sale in both the US and Canada. I have a couple of Euro ones in there also. I have added 4 more lanterns from when this photo was taken.



Dan,

I must give you props for this.  Not only is this an AMAZING collection of Coleman's hiking gear, but the display itself shows genuine creativity.  Bravo sir!

Since I see the propane lantern in there, I'm wondering if this butane model deserves a shot in your collection?  Here's mine:
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Theo
ICCC #1276
Looking for any lanterns with the manufacture date of: 7/77, 06/98, 02/04, 05/05
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new2oldcoleman

I can add a couple things:
1. WHEN: On the Canadian Brown 222-7101 in '82 there was a change.

2. WHAT: you can notice the change because the 1-piece label changes, 3 knobs to 2.

On a 222 dated 1.82 the label# is 222M467, it shows 3 knob positions, ON-LIGHT-OFF, and
per Kansas John above there are "three distinctive "stops"".

On a 222 dated 2.82 the label# is 222N467, it shows 2 knob positions, ON - OFF, and
it just goes from all the way ON over to OFF, it has no "stops".

and that's a couple "222" things.

There's mention of a 2-79 222 on here somewhere. I wonder what is first month-year for the 222 and what it looks like? (same, 3 knob, like the 1.82 ?)
good day gents.

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skorpiius
This is such a great and informative thread I thought it deserves a bump!

Does anyone know if there was ever a kerosene variant of these backpacking models,or if not is there is any means of conversion?

Chris
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Otto
skorpiius wrote:
This is such a great and informative thread I thought it deserves a bump!

Does anyone know if there was ever a kerosene variant of these backpacking models,or if not is there is any means of conversion?




I have a 222 frank with a 220b fount that I made up a custom generator for. The idea was to be a fuel misor. It runs a butane tip(.005) from a Coleman 5100 series.
There is no reason a guy couldn't put a 201 tip on a necked down 220 gen like I used. Keep in mind kero does make a lot more heat though, and I,m not a fan of the stamped burner assemblies. Click image for larger version - Name: P1020752 copy.jpg, Views: 560, Size: 156.94 KB
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MotorcycleDan
skorpiius wrote:
This is such a great and informative thread I thought it deserves a bump!

Does anyone know if there was ever a kerosene variant of these backpacking models,or if not is there is any means of conversion?




There were not any made from the factory to burn Kero. Just Coleman Fuel and Pump Gas.

The heat could be an issue. The fuel valve has rubber O Rings and the heat from Kero would cause some issues with the valve. They get hot enough as it is on CF.

The 550 backpacking stove can burn Kero with a generator change.
Dan ICCC #900
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skorpiius
Is it only the 222 models with the 3 position switch that gives the long run time without much pumping and very adjustable light, or will any of the earlier 222's give that, including the 2 position one?
I'm looking for a model which dims nicely so I can leave it running on as low as possible as a nightlight, which can be simply turned up to use while going to the loo rather than having to be lit.
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Gand28
I believe the longer tun time is more a function of the generator. The older “narrow “ gen gave the good run time. The “fatter” dual fuel generator needs more frequent pumping. The early generator was discontinued by Coleman.

Dan can verify.
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MotorcycleDan
Gand28 wrote:
I believe the longer tun time is more a function of the generator. The older “narrow “ gen gave the good run time. The “fatter” dual fuel generator needs more frequent pumping. The early generator was discontinued by Coleman.

Dan can verify.


Greg is correct.

You need to find any of the 222's A or B's. These would be the brown or black ones. Coleman changed the generator when they came out with the 226. This was the duel fuel model. They also made a Coleman Fuel only model at the same time. That was the 3022. It still came with the 226 generator. These were also black, so make sure you look at the model number when you find one.

The hard part is if the previous owner changed the generator. I have found some early 222's with 226 generators due to replacement. 
Dan ICCC #900
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skorpiius
MotorcycleDan wrote:


Greg is correct.

You need to find any of the 222's A or B's. These would be the brown or black ones. Coleman changed the generator when they came out with the 226. This was the duel fuel model. They also made a Coleman Fuel only model at the same time. That was the 3022. It still came with the 226 generator. These were also black, so make sure you look at the model number when you find one.

The hard part is if the previous owner changed the generator. I have found some early 222's with 226 generators due to replacement. 


Thanks for the info. Have you found that the adjustability for those 222 A's and B's are all about the same? Or is that where the 3 position comes in?
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MotorcycleDan
They are all about the same. The 3 position was for lighting on the early ones. 
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skorpiius
Ok thanks! I had it in my head that the 3 position was coveted, but maybe I'm confusing it with the early 400 series stoves which had additional simmer controls.
Chris
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Rodneydawn
Nice Collection ! 😉

and here I thought I had a lot of 222's
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adkbill
I have a few as well


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Rodneydawn
very nice 😉  gotta love the convenience, handy size, good fuel economy of the 222. 
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azmike
They are just so damn cute when they are little......

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Rodneydawn
exactly 😉

most of mine are stored fueled (CF) but not pressurized ready to pressurize and light when needed.  I also have a 229 that looks a bit rough (patina) I keep within reach fueled and ready to light (RUG) at all times along with a little box of wodden matches.  (I run it dry once a week and refill with fresh fuel.)  its the only one thats ever had RUG in it, as the low fuel consumption of these lanterns helps to negate the cost of coleman/Crown fuel making RUG use unnecessary.
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adkbill
Brian K wrote:
  The only one I have I converted to kerosene. It’s the brightest it has ever been. It will push the 250cp mantle to its full potential...


Not trying to be a PITA but
Does your preheat cup also acts a heat shield
250 CP kero must push a lot of heat down to those valve O-rings
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Brian K

I believe it must to some extent. I have ran several gallons of Kero through it without any trouble. All I have done to it is the Occasional generator cleaning, which I find very easy to do. One drawback with this conversion is that there is so much heat rising off the top, the shorter bail makes it so you can’t carry it for very long unless I put my Petromax 150cp top reflector on it, which by the way fits it really good.


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Brian K
This is another picture of it with it’s dress clothes on...   

6567F166-5A31-4A04-8AC5-4877994BE696.jpegAnd this is one of my 242A the way I want it. converted and added petromax 250 hood and reflector. Keeping original isn’t my style



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Brian K
A Coleman 237. BAD A$$ of the bunch.

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Russn8r
Nice list!  Do you know of or have a spec sheet that compares features like size, weight, differences between the various backpacking/mountaineering models? Any advantages over others?

Thanks!
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ccore
If this has already been posted my apologies (it's a long topic that goes way back).  There's a great list in here from earlier: something to add:
The 222B had an air pump change variation.  From two I have, original NOS w/box unfired:

222B Black    USA  12/90   Metal Air Pump Cap     Globe markings:  2082/0991
222B Black    USA  01/93   Plastic Air Pump Cap   Globe markings:  2082/0492


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MotorcycleDan
For the 222B, there are actually 3 versions that I have found. 4 if you want to get real picky.

In the below picture, the one on the left has a aluminum fuel valve with the decal that is similar to the 222A. It has the aluminum pump cap. 
The center one, the decal has changed some and it has switched to a brass fuel valve. It still has the aluminum pump cap. Both of these were made in the Toronto plant for the US Market.

The one on the right was made in the Kansas plant as the Toronto plant when shut down. This is when the pump cap changed over to the plastic one. 

The forth one that I have has a 226 style fuel valve knob on it. Everything else is the same as the one on the right in the photo. I think this is just that factory ran out of the older style fuel knob and used the one they were switching over to. 

A short time later the 226 Duel Fuel and the 3022 Coleman Fuel lanterns came out. The 222 was discontinued. 

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Coldwaterpaddler
@MotorcycleDan I only knew about the pump differences, but not the valve body difference of brass and aluminum, nor the label differences. Thanks for posting that photo.
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Russn8r
Many Thanks. As far as function, durability etc, do you prefer the 222b to the 226, 229 or 3022?
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ccore
Great stuff!  For the record:  mine with the aluminum pump cap has the brass fuel valve.  

222B Black    USA  12/90   Metal Air Pump Cap    Brass fuel valve  Globe markings:  2082/0991   

Does that make -four- variations?  

For those that might be trying to figure when the 222 valve went from 3 position to 2 position:  mine is dated:  1/83 (2 position knob)   My Peak one stove is dated: 10/80.   (purchased new)



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MotorcycleDan
Russn8r wrote:
Many Thanks. As far as function, durability etc, do you prefer the 222b to the 226, 229 or 3022?


They are all about the same. The 222 A and B will run longer without pumping more air in due to the style of generator. The 226 and later have a different generator and the lantern will need pumping about every half hour compared to 2 to 3 hours on the 222 A and B unless the generator has been changed out. It all depends on the style and color that you like. They are all great runners. 
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ccore
I never would have noticed the label changes on the 222B's I have if I didn't put the post in today.  I can see the adjustment knob size differences and it catches my eye immediately now!

Thank you


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ccore
My preference would be the original brown 222.  I purchased the 2 position knob lantern myself.  I came by a 3 position knob in later years.  The only difference is the one extra click/step lighting it.  They both run very quietly are stingy with fuel.  I have the original smaller #20 mantle in both of them and I'll be sorry when my supply of that mantle is gone.  The lantern is not quite as bright as the later #20, but for backpacking it is perfect.  My 226 has the later (larger) #20 mantle and it's definitely brighter; but the 226 is more fussy to run with all the frequent pumping that it requires.


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Russn8r
Thanks! Can't buy the old style #20?
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ccore
I'm not sure if Coleman makes them anymore.  The last version #20 Coleman made available was bigger than the original Coleman supplied for years: It works, but is not as strong or long lasting. I have one or two of the original version left. They also discontinued the Excursion lantern mantle a while back too.  Very sad as it renders useless  one of the greatest (miniature) engineering achievements Coleman ever did. (IMO)


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Kansas John

There are 16 slightly different backpackers on that shelf.  Just got this unfired 7/94 229 in the mail today.  


Dan and Bill are the experts in these guys.  I’m doing my best to imitate them!

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John M. Lawrence, KS
ICCC #1431

Looking for a 214 kero and REI single burner anniversary stove as well as any Coleman born on date 10/77, 1/80
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Russn8r
Yep. Sad. Someone at a Coleman outlook store told me they're moving away from liquid fuel because of "environmental" concerns (good grief, makes no sense) and because some dummy lit himself on fire. So everyone has to suffer because of one person's negligence, and because of ignorance, herd mentality and prejudice. Way of the world these days. Coleman was a great company. You could have pride in ownership. I had Coleman stoves and lanterns that lasted for 4 decades. Now it seems like just a marketing company, the younger gen cashed in on the brand, everything made in communist China. Sad.
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Russn8r
Cool. I just got a nice 229, but I wasn't worried about too nice, since it's going backpacking anyway.
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adkbill
Kansas John wrote:

There are 16 slightly different backpackers on that shelf.  Just got this unfired 7/94 229 in the mail today.  


Dan and Bill are the experts in these guys.  I’m doing my best to imitate them!

 


@ Kansas John Thanks for the kind words. 
     A little surprised you still have not found that REI stove.
     However, it is no small feat to have found both the red and the green Canadian soft cases that were made for the 505's
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TSPORT
Looking for comments from anyone with actual experience taking one of these backpacking.  I would think a mantle that has been lit once would disintegrate from the jostling in a pack. I have been a weekend backpacker for over 40 years but would have a hard time justifying packing my 226 for that reason and also the size but I do love having it in my collection.
- Steve
Steve
Partial to single mantles & backpacking stoves (liquid fuel, of course!)
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desmobob
Mine has been backpacking several times.  I keep it in its padded sack and have never found a broken mantle when I unpacked it for use.  Naturally, spare mantles are also packed, just in case...
Bob
In the southeast corner of the Adirondack Park
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TSPORT
That’s good to know, thanks 
Steve
Partial to single mantles & backpacking stoves (liquid fuel, of course!)
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Kansas John

I have taken a 3-position brown 222 bike camping.  4 of the 5 trips I needed a new mantle at camp.  Bumping up and down in the pannier is apparently more than the mantle can handle.  But, like stated above, that’s what spare mantles are for...

These aren’t really practical for their intended purpose.  I probably wouldn’t take one on a long trip.  They sure are fun for a weekend excursion of under 60 miles though.

John M. Lawrence, KS
ICCC #1431

Looking for a 214 kero and REI single burner anniversary stove as well as any Coleman born on date 10/77, 1/80
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Kansas John
adkbill wrote:


@ Kansas John Thanks for the kind words. 
     A little surprised you still have not found that REI stove.
     However, it is no small feat to have found both the red and the green Canadian soft cases that were made for the 505's


I found more than one!  Still hoping to find one with the decals still attached tough.  Look closely two stoves to the right of the red 505 case.
John M. Lawrence, KS
ICCC #1431

Looking for a 214 kero and REI single burner anniversary stove as well as any Coleman born on date 10/77, 1/80
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MotorcycleDan
TSPORT wrote:
Looking for comments from anyone with actual experience taking one of these backpacking.  I would think a mantle that has been lit once would disintegrate from the jostling in a pack. I have been a weekend backpacker for over 40 years but would have a hard time justifying packing my 226 for that reason and also the size but I do love having it in my collection.
- Steve


I take one on my motorcycle trips. I use it when I camp overnight and for the light ups at the ICCC conventions. It lays on it's side in a hard case in the top box of my bike. I have over 60K miles like this and have only had to replace two or three mantles over the years. Just don't throw your pack down when taking it off. But as Bob and John have said, take extra mantles. 
Dan ICCC #900
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desmobob
Mantles seem incredibly fragile but, in use, can prove to be surprisingly durable.  I usually keep a lantern in the back of my Subaru Forester and have never pulled it out to find a broken mantle in many years and lots of miles.  And, as I mentioned previously, have never had one break in my little Coleman while backpacking (or canoe camping).

Spare mantles are so lightweight and easy to pack, I never even worried about mantles being broken en route.
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In the southeast corner of the Adirondack Park
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Russn8r
Yep. Tough. I used to take Coleman lanterns on lobster trips in a 19-foot boat accross the Catalina channel, pounding, and they would survive. I would stand the lanterns vertically. But always lots of extras just in case. Also took one on a horse packing trip. Think I had to replace one of two.
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