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mcdugal2
Excellent!
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The Coleman Blue's 243's. #035

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mnhogrider
Way to go Lanterndude!

Nothing better than getting a lantern in need of repair going again.
Steve
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cosmogs
Congrats! It's always good to succseed! :-)
Now it just needs a decal.


Walking the Kerosene trail
(Just west of Mica Valley)
Geir, Norway

8 lanterns to go! [angel]

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Lanterndude
cosmogs wrote:
Congrats! It's always good to succseed! :-)
Now it just needs a decal.


It has the original decal on it. It's on the other side. The side shown on the pictures has the classic phrase "Coleman Sunshine of the Night" imprinted on it, you just can't really see it cause of the distance of the pictures.

"TURD" #0132
"MILSPEC" #0024

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GForceKaras
Woot! Love happy endings!

Btw did you use the mantles I included in the box?
Thien TAS member #2750 / Sears Collectors Club #1
Looking for a Sears Ted Williams lantern (FOUND! Thanks Sean!)
"The dreams of youth are the regrets of maturity" - Darkness
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Lanterndude
Majicwrench wrote:
Confirmation would be to light it up w the repaired FA. Was that inner tube all the way unthreaded??  I'm still a bit doubtful, but glad you got it all apart to look at. Now make fire.


I mean no disrespect here, just telling it like it is.

Dude you can doubt all you want but the fact is the original F/A tube was bad, no way was it going to light in that condition. This was confirmed. You were insistant that there was no way the problem was with the original F/A tube and was wasting my time and that other individual, whatever name he goes by, Keith, Kyle, Jim, Doug, Kaptain Kamplite? or whatever posted a reply to me as if I was a kid, telling me that I had to clean, clean, clean, etc. and he was also wrong on his so called..."expertise".

As to why or how exactly the F/A tubes inner tube became unscrewed, not threaded all the way into the upper portion of the F/A tubes base/nut section is anyone's guess? I really can't answer that because I'm not an expert and I'll never consider myself one, just a beginning learner.

I'm new to all this and like others I am learning as I go along and am open to all suggestions and recommendations, by facts first, then take it from there.

"TURD" #0132
"MILSPEC" #0024

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Lanterndude
GForceKaras, no I sure didn't. I had used mantles from a packet that I had previously opened. But believe me they'll get used!

Thanks again though!

"TURD" #0132
"MILSPEC" #0024

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Majicwrench
Oh gosh lanterndude, you read me all wrong.
I never said "there was no way it was the FA tube". Never. Please don't quote me incorrectly.
I never said you were "Wasting your time". Never. Please don't quote me incorrectly.  
If I did say those things you may wish to point them out to me.

What I did say, several times, is "I don't understand" and several  ?? marks.
Still a bit confused, once you said  "fuel spurting out"  (hope I quoted that right)
 and once you said there is "very very little coming out"
So yes, I was, and is, a bit confused on those two diff statements.

Just the whole thing didn't feel right to me, you couldn't seem to decide what was wrong, sounded for a while like you thought the FA was screwed in too far. This would have give a TOTALLY diff effect than an issue with the tube itself. So, yes, I did doubt some of your troubleshooting. I can clearly remember a couple years ago when I had to scratch my head a bit, still do, but it is easier now that I understand a bit what's going on inside there. I can remember several times fricken around with a lantern for hours trying to make fire, and finally just spinning the cleaning lever a bunch [smile]

Me, I would have screwed that inner tube back in and made fire. Just the way I am.

Like I said, am glad you got er apart and am glad to see fire!
Keith
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Frank6160
I can see now why it aggravated you so. That's a great looking lantern.
Frank
GREAT KEEPER OF LIGHT 
ICCC #793
275 Appreciation Syndicate #60
The Coleman Blues 243's #44
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Ed66Horan
Congratulations! You have a great looking & working Birthday lantern.

Ed

Sears Collector Club #66  MilSpecOps #0030 
ICCC # 1575  Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate  #212

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Jim_l
Congrats!!!
OK, the milspec F/A tube I posted a pic of, I could see that it had threads where it screwed in, but I thought the regular F/a tubes were soldered in place and didn't want to ad a detail that might not exist in yours.
Since it does screw in, maybe some thread sealer would be sufficient, unless you just want to solder it, which I'm sure would be fine too.

Way to stick with it..
Now that you have accomplished this, I doubt you'll have any trouble troubleshooting and working on most any lantern out there, so even with all of the frustration, this was a good thing.


Jim
Matthew 5:16: "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." Jim-- Coleman Blues Member #014
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Fast_Freddy
Lanterndude, I'm glad to hear that your problem has been solved.  Have a great day!!  Fred

Fred

Psalm 19:14

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Lanterndude
Jim_l wrote:
Congrats!!!
OK, the milspec F/A tube I posted a pic of, I could see that it had threads where it screwed in, but I thought the regular F/a tubes were soldered in place and didn't want to ad a detail that might not exist in yours.
Since it does screw in, maybe some thread sealer would be sufficient, unless you just want to solder it, which I'm sure would be fine too.

Way to stick with it..
Now that you have accomplished this, I doubt you'll have any trouble troubleshooting and working on most any lantern out there, so even with all of the frustration, this was a good thing.


Jim


Jim, thanks for the confident, encouraging words. I like learning, especially when it is on a hobby I enjoy. I may never attain the level of knowledge on lanterns as some of y'all have but its good to know that I can always reference this forum and its talented members that it has to rely on for assistance.

Thanks to y'all!

"TURD" #0132
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Slab Slayer Bill
Here's my two cents on this one.  I am not seeing you talk about using compressed air to blow out anything at all.  I have seen you mention the use of steel wool 000.  Steel wool gets on every thing and becomes more fine as you use it.  So when you use vinegar soak, clean with steel wool, you must at minimum use compressed air to blow clean.  I use vinegar soak on most of my brass parts.  I wash with soapy solution, rinse with clean water, then do the second clean which I use carb cleaner and then blow out with compressed air....  After reading this thread I believe that you could have steel wool particles in a lot of places...  Beyond  that the F/A tube is a tube inside a tube.  If the inside tube is compromised in some way it, that could be the problem.  If it just pain and simply will not push fuel all over the place when you open the valve with out the generator attached then it must be something compromised in the F/A assembly.

I have many 220's and worked on many.  I have made a lot of mistakes on them.  I have taken them apart many times!  I feel for you on this one[smile]  I haven't experience a F/A tube on a 220 which wouldn't work, but I think it is certainly possible.  Though I am not a plumber I have plumbed quite a bit and have had new pipe have a hole or crack often enough not to rule out the idea that there might be something wrong with the tube inside the assembly...  Still I think "Steel Wool" some where causing the problem. 

On the Generator.  If there is the slightest possibility there is steel wool particles in the generator you need to take it apart and clean it up real good.

I wish you the best on this, good luck!

Bill.





Slab Slayer Bill
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kb0hae
HI Lanterndude.  Glad you finally got it going!  Perseverance pays off in the end.  I had quite a time getting my 220E (3/63, was my dad's) to stop pulsing.  I caused the problem by taking the mixing chamber off of the air tube.  I learned that sometimes over time this joint can become loose, and the only reason it doesn't leak is soot etc...at the joint.  I found that Muffler Mender and Rutland  Black high temp stove and gasket cement  both work well to seal these types of joints on lanterns.  The U-tube/venturi joint on 200As tends to leak too.  Anyhow, it took a while, but my 220E runs great now.  

Most of what I know about Coleman lanterns and stoves has been learned from the great folks on this forum.
Its always darkest before you light the Coleman lantern!
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Alb23t
Man, I am happy that you solved the problem. I think that I was nearly as frustrated. I'll tell you, there's a great deal of good educational information stuffed in this thread. Wonderful example of the willingness of the members to provide knowledge and hardware, basically, what ever it takes, to get a fellow collector lit up. I'm impressed.

When in doubt, change it out...
Al B  [colemanlanternlogo]

MilSpecOps # 1974
Canadian Blues Member #24

Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate # 1974
BernzOmatic Appreciation Club # 1974
Coleman Slant Saver #32

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JimDouglasJr
Good for you.  Once you understand what the parts do, there are pretty easy to diagnose and fix. They only have 8 or 10 moving parts. 
Kyle. Kaptain Kamplite - America's Finest Lantern Fettler.
Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate and 243 Blues Member #0031 &  J.C. Higgins aficionado.
“If you light a lamp for someone else, it will also brighten your path.” Buddhist quote.  Brand-X Super Hoarder.
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HikinFool
A few things.
1) I am BRAND NEW to this group and happy to be here.
2) I have no idea how to post a question that has not already been asked, I am able to type something here simple because I am replying to something that relates to my current issue.
3) I have the 220E, and am having similar issues from this thread, but cannot find the exact problem I am having.

I have scoured this thing, replaced the generator, cleaned tank, fresh fuel, mantles, blown out (with air compressor) the Fuel/Air tube, pumped 40 times, and on and on...
This thing will light...sometimes...but then after a minute or so will slowly dim and then go out, then it will not light again until much later.
I really need help on this and others, they all seem to have the same issue as I just stated.  Any help will be greatly appreciated as I am new to this whole rebuild and repair world, have only been a user of lanterns until recently.  Thanks much.
Brad
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cosmogs
HikinFool wrote:
A few things.
1) I am BRAND NEW to this group and happy to be here.
2) I have no idea how to post a question that has not already been asked, I am able to type something here simple because I am replying to something that relates to my current issue.
3) I have the 220E, and am having similar issues from this thread, but cannot find the exact problem I am having.

I have scoured this thing, replaced the generator, cleaned tank, fresh fuel, mantles, blown out (with air compressor) the Fuel/Air tube, pumped 40 times, and on and on...
This thing will light...sometimes...but then after a minute or so will slowly dim and then go out, then it will not light again until much later.
I really need help on this and others, they all seem to have the same issue as I just stated.  Any help will be greatly appreciated as I am new to this whole rebuild and repair world, have only been a user of lanterns until recently.  Thanks much.


Welcome to the forum! [thumb]
As for asking a question, go to the forum which you want to post (tech. assistance for this kind of question), click on "new topic" and you're good to go. : )

So, to your lantern.
Have you cleaned the fuel/air tubes? Pulled the valve from the fount, unscrewed the F/A tube and cleaned every part?
I assume it builds and hold pressure?
With the generator off, does fuel come out of the valve assembly?

Also, here is a very useful link on how to rebuild a lantern:

http://www.oldtowncoleman.com/tech/rebuild.htm

It may not be necessary to do anything with the check valve or graphite gasket on the valve stem, at least not until it represent a problem. : )


Walking the Kerosene trail
(Just west of Mica Valley)
Geir, Norway

8 lanterns to go! [angel]

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Lanterndude
HikinFool wrote:
...... I have the 220E, and am having similar issues from this thread, but cannot find the exact problem I am having.
I have scoured this thing, replaced the generator, cleaned tank, fresh fuel, mantles, blown out (with air compressor) the Fuel/Air tube, pumped 40 times, and on and on...
This thing will light...sometimes...but then after a minute or so will slowly dim and then go out, then it will not light again until much later.
I really need help on this and others, they all seem to have the same issue as I just stated.  Any help will be greatly appreciated as I am new to this whole rebuild and repair world, have only been a user of lanterns until recently.  Thanks much.



Brad a big Welcome to the forum!

Believe me I know exactly how you feel about it all. The approach that I recommend is to just step away from it, take a couple of deep breaths and relax and just clear your mind because you can solve this problem.

By any means I am "no expert" I am just trying to help you out and whether you want to do the following is up to you. I won't be bothered if you chose not to. Just "take your time and don't rush yourself".

From your description that it does actually light (unlike the issue that I was encountering of it not lighting at all) then "slowing dimming out" this is a sign that the fount/tank is quickly (or slowly) losing air pressure? Knowing for a fact that the lantern actually lights up are good indications that: a.) the new Generator is receiving fuel and working as it should b.) the F/A Tube is working as it should, by knowing that the Generator is receiving enough fuel to allow the lantern mantles to light. c.) the air tubes are clear because the mantles catch and light. So with these known facts and short of completely disassembling the lantern down again completely, and knowing for a fact that the problem does not lie anywhere with the Generator because it has been replaced, start with the easiest trouble-shooting ways first to try and solve the problem, do one or all of the following:

1.) Get a basic plastic spray bottle, put in a little bit of dish-washing liquid in it and fill with tap water then shake it. You are going to use this to help determine where you just might have an air leak. First make sure that everything on the lantern is sealed and tight, Valve assembly, Check Valve, Pump, Cleaning Tip Lever, Generator's Jamb Nut and Fuel Cap. Pump up the fount/tank (like 40-60 times) then spray water on and aroung the Fuel Cap, Pump, and Generators Jamb Nut areas. Where ever you see small bubbles start to form there is where you air leak is at.

2.) If leaking from the Fuel Cap, then replace the "Fuel Cap Gasket/Seal". From what I have found by reading post here this is probably one of the leading causes of air pressure leakage! One can be purchased from OCP, but until it arrives, if you happen to have another lantern, remove the Fuel Cap from it and try it out on the 220E. Pump up the 220E and give it another try. If it stays lit without any problems of dimming, slowly going out, etc. then you know for a fact that the problem is with the original Fuel Cap's gasket/seal needs to be replaced?

3.) If leaking from the Pump area then there is the possibility that fount/tanks Check Valve can stay 'open' and not actually close up completely, by the Pump, causing it to release air or it Check Valve can go bad and there lies the possibility that just maybe air is leaking out of it up through the Pump? If so remove the entire Pump and the Check Valve as well and inspect and clean it as necessary (carburator cleaner, etc.). Once cleaned re-install the Check Valve and Pump, making sure that it is working as it should and give it a another try. If the lantern stays lit then good, problem solved, if not then you would need to replace the Check Valve, again order a replacement from OCP.

4.) If leaking from the Generators Jamb Nut, tighten down the Jamb Nut securely (careful not to over tighten it, since it is brass, it being soft n'all, you don't want to damage that area). Give it another try, lantern stays lit, problem solved, still dimming? Then remove the lanterns top Vent, Glass Globe, Burner Assembly then the entire lanterns Metal Frame exposing the Valve Assembly. Once done, spray water around the connection point of the Valve Assembly entry to the Fount/Tank as well as the Cleaning Tip Lever and actual Valve knob connection point itself. Any air bubbles?
                1a.) If air bubbles appear, then tighten down as necessary and repeat the process until
                       no more air bubbles appear. Re-assemble everthing back and give it another shot.
                2a.) If no air bubbles appear then the problem is the F/A Tube. Yes even though it is
                       sending fuel/fumes up to the Generator, the F/A Tube has a problem not
                       staying/working and or functioning properly as it should and needs to be removed,
                       inspected and cleaned again and or replaced? Don't waste your time trying to repair the
                       F/A Tube, just replace it with a new one. Again, one can be purchased from OCP.

5.) Just one last note here and it really can't be ruled out (but you just never know). There could also be the slight chance that the actual Fount/Tank might just have a (maybe one or more?) pin-hole(s) or small hair-line crack? To know for sure you can always peform what is called a "dunk-test" of the entire Fount/Tank, by pumping it up with air and submerging it in water to see if there are any leaks coming from the Fount/Tank? Brad, this should be your very last resort but from the description that you have given it seems unlikely that this maybe the case. I'm sure the 220E's Fount/Tank is good without any of those problems.


Brad, as of now this is all the info that I can give you on trying to solve your problem with your 220E.
I am sure that there will be others that will chime in with their assistance, help, suggestions and recommendations so take the time to read everyones post! There are some very good, knowledgeable members that are sharp and helpful!


Good Luck and yes your going to get this lantern working back in good shape!

Keep us posted on your progress and don't give up!


"TURD" #0132
"MILSPEC" #0024

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Majicwrench
Are you spinning the tip cleaning lever?? The air tubes etc, as was stated, are not (likely) your issue, as it light and runs for a while.

  Loss of pressure is a big problem, when in doubt, change fill cap gasket.

 Are you spinning tip cleaning lever when it starts to go out?? Is really, really really common for tip to plug, thus lantern dims and goes out. This problem is sooooo common they put a tip cleaner on the lantern so you could easily clean tip!!

When lantern starts dimming, spin lever, does it improve?? And/or, pump!! Does it improve??

Too many folks take these things apart, dream up all sorts of issues, when really just need simple, common solutions.
Keith
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Ed66Horan
Brad, welcome to the forum and here's the link from archives on 2 mantle lanterns: http://www.oldcolemanparts.com/resources/re_2lant.php. Lanterndude's thread is 3 pages long and pretty well covers everything. My advice is to do what everyone has suggested above and read the thread. Check out everything above the valve. Cap gaskets on 220E's are always suspect and should be replaced. If everything above the valve checks out and the lantern still won't run, then something is going on with the F/A tube and you'll have to pull the valve. My first rebuild didn't go so well either, and that was because I didn't reassemble the F/A tube properly. I put the rod in the tube and the spring on top of the rod. And that was after looking at the pics in the re-build section. DUH!!! The proper way is spring in the tube first, then put the rod in. The spring has to push the rod up, not down. These lanterns are at least 50 years old, and need to taken apart and cleaned to keep them running properly. Good luck and keep us posted with your progress.

Ed

Sears Collector Club #66  MilSpecOps #0030 
ICCC # 1575  Coleman 275 Appreciation Syndicate  #212

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