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salukispeed
Since these 220's seem to be multiplying Is there a thread or recipe to run one on Kero.  Seems like I see more single mantles converted? 
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JimL
>>Keros have to be single burners unless they're lamps, it's a rule.

Yes, it's a rule, but aren't rules meant to be broken?  🙂

You will need to drop down one tip size from the 220, which would be replacing the 220 gen tip with one from a 200.  And then adding a preheat cup.  You might need to modify the F/A tube by plugging the air hole and removing the rod.  I haven't converted a 220, but that's the basic stuff. 


Here's a link to a search of '220 kero'.
https://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/search?keywords=220+kero&searchin=message&member=&do=findposts&unfiltered_forums=&replies=atleast&numreplies=0&daterange=0&custdatefrom=&custdateto=&sort=&radio_showas=threads&btnSearch=Search&action=doSearch&advanced=1

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Chucker
I give...the recipe I used:

1. Get a 201 pre-heat cup place over gen.
2. (opt.) Replace get tip with 200a gen tip. 
3. (opt.) Remove 'cardboard' tube from gen and (opt.) use some coiled brass wire or brass wool instead in same location. 
4. Add kero, pre-heat with denatured alcohol, as it is almost burned up open valve all the way. 
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salukispeed
IS there a preheat cup that is a no brainer for the 220 gen diameter. 
Sounds easy enough  And I have one running on a 200A tip already
Why does the cardboard tube need replacement with bronze wool. 
I presume I could test the operation by doing a real good torch preheat before going through the rest.  
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Chucker
Pre-heat cup from a 201; see post #4.

I take the cardboard tube out since it appears to me to clog/coke up sooner than metal parts doing the same job. As I noted it's optional (opt.). 
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salukispeed
I appreciate all the experience of all and will surely save me a number of mistakes . Thanks again
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salukispeed
So far I threw it together with a 6 tip from a 200A but  did not damage the mantles then did a propane torch preheat. It works well but I was hoping to see a Retina scorcher  like some of the pictures of single's It was brighter with the V and CF.  I am still learning and experimenting Twirling the cleaner/pricker does not improve it but added pumps did seem to help. I have to confess I never took this one fully apart and even tho the fount looks clean but I do not know the condition of the AF tube
Thanks again
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If you pull the valve, remove the rod in the F/A tube, and while at it, you may consider soldering over the air hole too.   Kero lanterns are straight fuel pickup, so if you want to mimic it more closely, do that with the F/A tube. 

Myself, I'd wonder how it would perform with the 220 tip back in.  If you feel like experimenting...

-Jim

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The T44 and T44G are interchangable  If Kero is to be used the cardboard and steel spring in the T44 should be replaced with a solid brass spring 
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The t44's have V tips and are used in dual mantle lamps for CF or kero with only a change in the guts
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What model 220 are you using?  Any will work, but having the pricker lever below the burner frame makes it easier on the fingers.
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salukispeed
It is a 220E from 1959 so good on the lever placement. My spare gen was the new numbers so i did not realize it was the same as the T44 Also interesting the T44 uses the V tip. I still do not have another Usable V and tip will work on it. Having Fun for now. Its been running for 4 hours with no disasters and the temps are 20 deg so all good for now. and I now see the 201 reference for the cup Thanks.
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I've not converted a 220 but I do run a Leacock 107 lamp burner on a CQ fount regularly, and it's basically a 220 as it uses the same generator.  Their setup is the standard 220 generator and for CF you install the air restrictor at the bottom of the air tube and for kero you remove it.  I have run it with both the standard 220 tip (0.007") and also the smaller kero tip (0.006").  Currently I am using the small tip but WITH the air restrictor as it seems to run best that way.  Needs a LOT of pumping with the smaller tip.

I picked up a 152A lamp over the summer for $10 (uses either kero or CF).  No globe, shade or holder, unfortunately, and a good bit of paint rash, but otherwise in very good shape.  I think it was filled and used once or twice in 1947 and then it sat for 72 years.  The tank was full of green "gak" but cleaned up nicely.  The generator was as-new internally (asbestos and all).  Standard 220 tip size and instructions are just to preheat with kero and operate like a regular 220 lantern with CF.  I need to get some mantles on it and temporarily install a CQ shade holder and small student shade and give it a rip!

Chris

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I did a easy to convert 220K to kero.  A DOH moment when I bought it, confusing the model with a 242K which I now have.

To save on maybe getting solder where you don't want it, use heat shrink on the holes in the F/A tube.  It may still roll around, but seems to stay in place after heating up.
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salukispeed
I did put back in the 220-"V" tip and did not see a big difference in brightness from the "6'.  But I never did a good fettle of the whole Lantern so maybe not a fair test. Next I will clean it properly and modify the AF tube as suggested and put Bronze wool in the gen to do it up properly. Also add a preheat cup from OCP. I see Mike has two 201 cups listed Is one better fit or look?
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salukispeed
I finally did a proper fettle on this project. I JB weld sealed the AF tube to stop Air and removed the rod and spring, Bronze wool in the generator instead of the paper tube.  It works well enough with the "V" original tip so long as I don't get too carried away with pumping. If  too many pumps I get some ghost flames. But With the #6-200A  tip I do not see the ghost flames but have to pump it up pretty tight. I find it funny that it is not the Retina scorcher I expected. But it works pretty well
Side note It took a lot of heat/quench and tugging to get the guts out of the Generator after only two full founts of Kero with the paper tube.  and it gets pretty ugly if you dont preheat enough. Not violent but very fiery sooty mess. Next will add the Preheat cup.
Thanks for the help.  
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All adds to your experience and knowledge.
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