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I really like 202’s because they are basically a 200A but made with better materials like they all should have been. Anyway, the repo decal all have a gold trim and they are usually listed a “ one of a kind used exclusively on a 202”. My theory is that originally they came with a transparent boarder just like other decals of that era. And that over time that have aged/oxidized to a gold color since the fount is nickel plated. On painted founts the transparent boarder turns blackish or dark when it ages. I have posted a pic of Steve’s unfired NOS 202 as evidence. Looking at all of my 202s it looks like the boarder is oxidized and not a gold color like the repos. I was just curious if anyone else had evidence that the decal boarder should be transparent? Thanks!! 6FB74762-7979-417B-8BAE-F4FFF2DED44F.jpeg  B2CF9B6D-0656-4144-BC43-DDACFBFDAAE2.jpeg 

 

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Here’s a pic of a repo 202 decal. It just doesn’t look right to me.  685FA210-8DF2-433C-87EB-E308E393357F.jpeg 
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Jason, pic in post #2 is the early decal, pic in post #1 is the late decal. Per OCP, however the early decal post #2 seems to cover all the production years. Confusing to say the least, unless the last of the 64 models used the type in post #1
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I may be wrong but I think both the early and the later repos have a gold colored trim.

edit:  the pic in post #1 is not a repo decal it is the original waterslide decal with transparent border. 
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25 502s wrote:
I may be wrong but I think both the early and the later repos have a gold colored trim. 


Yes, that is what i see also
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REJ2 wrote:


Yes, that is what i see also


did you see my edit. The pic in post one is not a repo but original which leads me to my theory. 
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originals had the gold borders but were water slide not peel n stick
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So I went and checked the 3 I own, all original decals.
55 - early decal, pretty deteriorated, cant tell type of border
58 - early decal, gold border no doubt
62 - late decal, appears almost transparent, turned under a light at different angle's it try to shows a hint of gold at the extreme edges 
That's all I got
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originals had the gold borders but were water slide not peel n stick


Steve, I agree that the originals were water slide but I’m thinking the border  was transparent and over the last 50+ years they have oxidized and tarnished and since they were applied to nickel founts they appear gold. Where as the ones applied to painted founts tarnished and oxidized but appear black.
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ya , i been taking a hard look here as well ....... the original 200A water slide borders do turn amber , over nickel it may appear gold ? but i have seen some gold on 202's id swear , all i have is one original and not much border left and a few with replacment decals .....you do have me wondering now .
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REJ2 wrote:
So I went and checked the 3 I own, all original decals.
55 - early decal, pretty deteriorated, cant tell type of border
58 - early decal, gold border no doubt
62 - late decal, appears almost transparent, turned under a light at different angle's it try to shows a hint of gold at the extreme edges 
That's all I got


Thanks for the input Bob. I may be wrong about them being transparent but maybe Steve (flywheel73) can look at his NOS decal and see if it appears transparent. It’s been in a box since new and hasn’t been exposed to sunlight or the weather for 50+ years. It just looks transparent to me looking at his one pic. 
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i been looking over ebay sold 202 lanterns , this is the best looking original i could find and im starting to think its just clear border turned amber over nickel ? but i dont have positive proof ,

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ok i found another one here with original decal and the border shines like gold not amber .
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25 502s
I guess it  makes for a good discussion anyway. It may be like Bob said the early one May have a light gold colored border  and the later ones were transparent and tarnished/oxidized over the years.
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Terry Marsh did a ICCC write up on 202's not long ago , might have some info there ? i helped a bit with the article but have not seen the finished article yet .
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Mine all have original water slide decals with a gold border although some borders are rough. 
There is a NIB 202 FS in the classifieds and I’m not seeing the gold border. It is a late model and kinda got me wondering as well. 
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Rubing wrote:
Mine all have original water slide decals with a gold border although some borders are rough. 
There is a NIB 202 FS in the classifieds and I’m not seeing the gold border. It is a late model and kinda got me wondering as well. 


Greg, that one for sale is what finally got me to start this thread. I’m been thinking about it for awhile but didn’t have any pic proof to back up my theory until I saw his NIB lantern with the transparent decal.
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I just checked the 5 that I have here. Mine all look like the border was clear and changed over time. I'm thinking that it's the adhesive part of the waterslide decal. I've seen the same thing with old model cars. It doesn't look like any of them were made with a gold border at all.
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Here are 2 of my 202’s with original decals. The 3rd one is pictured above with a replacement decal. This 2 have the “gold” border that I am claiming was originally transparent. In reality if you think about it most water slide decals from the 50’s-whenever the stopped using them have a transparent border  on them if you look close enough. Some are thicker than others. So my theory is that the 202 has this same transparent border that now appears amber. 9FCA1FA8-2F75-49F7-97ED-F282EB80F2DC.jpeg  . 
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Were the 202 decals in the 50s similar to the 220/228Es? The 200As had the yellow border, just find it odd Coleman would've made something special for the 202... Altho... The 202 is kind of a one off in itself ðŸ˜
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Tgarner01 wrote:
Were the 202 decals in the 50s similar to the 220/228Es? The 200As had the yellow border, just find it odd Coleman would've made something special for the 202... Altho... The 202 is kind of a one off in itself Ã°Å¸ËœÂ


Toby,  if you look closely at those YELLOW bordered decalsI bet you will see a millimeter or so of a transparent border past the yellow border. 
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Toby,  if you look closely at those YELLOW bordered decalsI bet you will see a millimeter or so of a transparent border past the yellow border. 

Yes there definitely is as with most water slides. I just do not have any original decal 202s to compare to my 220/228Es
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25 502s
Here’s a yellow bordered decal and the actual edge of the decal goes past the yellow border. In this case the transparent border has turned blackish.  8F63BAE4-87EF-41D3-9426-A3D455F7F947.jpeg 
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rob_pontius wrote:
I just checked the 5 that I have here. Mine all look like the border was clear and changed over time. I'm thinking that it's the adhesive part of the waterslide decal. I've seen the same thing with old model cars. It doesn't look like any of them were made with a gold border at all.


I concur!!  I just don’t think they were ever gold.
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25 502s wrote:
Here’s a yellow bordered decal and the actual edge of the decal goes past the yellow border. In this case the transparent border has turned blackish.  8F63BAE4-87EF-41D3-9426-A3D455F7F947.jpeg 

Not the best example yet interesting!
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I don't think they ever were either. Just time taking it's toll.
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Not the best example yet interesting!


I don’t really have a good example but here’s 3 more yellow bordered decal where the outer transparent border has turned black.  1209F005-FFFA-40EC-9728-5C9583B75D6A.jpeg 

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" but made with better materials like they all should have been."

Particularly the nice crackable frames

Its unfortunate the price point drove Wichita to go from 200's to 200A's
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It doesn’t show up in the pic but they all have remnants of a gold gold border. I have replacement “stick on” labels for all of them but I haven’t brought myself to do that yet.  
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From building plastic car and airplane models from the mid 50's - mid 60's, the old water slide decals would definitely yellow (gold?) in the clear/transparent areas over time.  
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Particularly the nice crackable frames....
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Lol. That was definitely an unfortunate problem they have. 
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Taco912 wrote:
From building plastic car and airplane models from the mid 50's - mid 60's, the old water slide decals would definitely yellow (gold?) in the clear/transparent areas over time.  


Thanks for the info. Moor data for my theory. 
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OK let me throw one of my 202's into the frame here, a 9 61.

First a full shot:
IMG_8799 copy.jpg 
Then a close-up on the decal. Don't ask me why there appears to be no gold. I have no idea.
IMG_8798 copy.jpg  And here is the 'before' shot of the fount as I received it, still appears to be a lack of gold from what I can tell.
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Thanks for the pics Ian. Looks like the border on yours wore off sometime ago. 
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